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Just Saw My Tax Guy: It's Official Trump Screwed Us

Not all the blame, no. When did I ever say that? All the relevant blame, sure--we're discussing a particular law and the people who passed it. Again, no one is arguing that the recent tax reform is entirely responsible for the fact that corporations pay low, or sometimes no, tax. Nor is anyone arguing that the recent law is responsible for the disparities in wealth distribution in this country, or something like that. What is being argued is that the recent law only adds fuel to a fire that's been growing--it provides massive tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy, while the middle and lower classes see something between little help and an actual increase in taxes.

I have to ask whether you take the time to read your interlocutors' posts, or if you just imagine you know what they must be saying, and proceed from there? I never said anything about all the blame, tout court. Nor has anyone else, as far as I can tell. I hope, probably in vain, that your next response will at least be to the point, and not some red herring.

Not all the blame... The relevant blame.

What an interesting concept.

Except the blame isn't relevant. As shown given the right amount of deductions big companies has paid zero taxes for quite some time.
 
Let me do two comparisons for you tied to "the middle class" or "the working poor".

Scenario #1. Taxpayer is unmarried and has two kids under the age of 17. Taxpayer has $25,000 wage income and no tax withheld.
- Under 2017 rules this taxpayer would owe 353 federal income tax but that tax would be wiped out by the Child Tax Credit. The taxpayer would then receive Earned Income Credit of $4,208 and Additional Child Tax Credit of $1,647 for a net subsidy of $5,855.
- Under 2018 rules this taxpayer would owe 703 federal income tax but that tax would be wiped out by the Child Tax Credit. The taxpayer would then receive Earned Income Credit of $4,376 and Additional Child Tax Credit of $$2,800 for a net subsidy of $7,176. That's a 23% INCREASED subsidy (you call it a refund) from 2017

Scenario #2. Taxpayer is married with two kids under the age of 17. Taxpayer makes $75,000 with $3,500 state income tax withheld (no federal income tax). Taxpayer itemizes as follows: Income tax $3500, Property tax $5000, mortgage interest $10,000 and charity $2,500. Total itemized deductions come to $21,000.
- Under 2017 rules the taxpayer has AGI of $75,000, Itemized deductions of $21,000, personal exemptions of $16,200. That brings Taxable income down to $37,800 and tax calculates to be $4,741. Taxpayer then gets Child Tax Credit of $2,000 leaving tax due of $2,741
- Under 2018 rules the taxpayer has AGI of $75,000 but aggregate itemized deductions are less than standard deduction so they deduct the standard $24,000. There are no personal exemptions for 2018 so the taxpayer's taxable income is $51,000 ($13,200 more tnan it would have been in 2017). Tax calculates to be $5,742 ($3,001 more than under 2017 rules). Taxpayer gets $4,000 Child Tax Credit and tax due ends up being $1,742. That's a 36% REDUCTION from 2017.

Granted, these are really basic scenarios but they are also extremely common. The new tax law, generally speaking, HELPED taxpayers across the board and did not screw the average working poor or middle class taxpayer.

Take Andy Kraft and Amy Elias of Portland, Oregon. The couple had grown comfortable getting a small refund each year, a few hundred dollars or more. Then they found out they owe $10,160 this year.

“I will never forget the moment, I thought ‘We look good’ and then we added in the next W-2 and my jaw hit the floor,” Kraft said. “There was no way I wanted to believe that what I was looking at was accurate.”

Kevin McCreanor of Milton, Georgia and his wife normally get a sizeable refund each year — it was more than $12,000 last year. While they know waiting for a large refund isn’t the best strategy financially, they like a refund and they put anything they get back toward their daughters’ education. Their income, earned primarily from his wife’s job in telecom, can vary greatly, so there was comfort in never facing a big bill.

The couple increased her paycheck withholdings to ensure the same but found they are only getting back $519 this year. Their income and tax rate did increase, and McCreanor acknowledges there is probably more he could have done to prepare but he is very disappointed all the same.


I owe how much? Americans are shocked by the impact of Trump's tax law

All they had to do was increase the standard deduction and lower the rates. Why did they increase the standard deduction but then remove personal exemption? The bottom line is the bulk of the tax breaks went to the rich and corporations. The rest of us got the crumbs.

The GOP tax law showers benefits on the wealthy and large corporations while abandoning middle-class Americans and Main Street businesses
 
So it's pretty clear that Republicans fed us a bunch of bull. Corps pocketed billions. Regular folks got nothing or got screwed.

Do the Republicans ever feed us anything different than a bunch of bull? Do people still think the Republicans have the back of the middle class? LOL
The idiotic Trumpsters voted for a con artist who has never had their interest at heart. Let them suffer, now. It's well-deserved.
By the way, it will only get worse.
The tax "cuts" (which were anything but) for the middle class will expire, while the corporate cuts will not.
 
I owe how much? Americans are shocked by the impact of Trump's tax law

All they had to do was increase the standard deduction and lower the rates. Why did they increase the standard deduction but then remove personal exemption? The bottom line is the bulk of the tax breaks went to the rich and corporations. The rest of us got the crumbs.
B.S. The left leaning Tax Policy Center says 80% paid less tax including 91% of middle class.
SonOfD. said:
Last link is a Democrat propaganda screed; it like asking Nancy Pelosi.
 
What kind of tax cut only applies to some people? A real tax cut would show that 100% of the people got a tax cut. All they had to do was reduce the rates. Instead, they went and shredded deductions.

In the end, most people got an extra $20 in each paycheck only to be shocked by their refund.

Backup your BULL****. What is your bracket, and what state do you live in?
 
Not all the blame... The relevant blame.

What an interesting concept.

Except the blame isn't relevant. As shown given the right amount of deductions big companies has paid zero taxes for quite some time.

That doesn't even make any sense. Why did you even bother posting?
 
But lots of families count on their refunds. Changing the withholding calculation was a bad idea because people won't notice the small change in their paychecks. They'll notice the smaller refund.

It sure doesn't feel like the biggest tax cut in history to me. Does it feel like that to you?

Also, guess what, the huge corporation I work for got their tax break but then laid off a bunch of employees to "restructure" despite increased profits. So it's pretty clear that Republicans fed us a bunch of bull. Corps pocketed billions. Regular folks got nothing or got screwed.

Families being irresponsible with their finances is not my problEm, they payed less this year.

They willingly spent their “refund” in many smaller installments over the year
 
People in blue states with high taxes lost. By design. And Trump didn't even say please before he screwed them. Payback.

I made out fairly well because i have a small business & could file a Schedule C allowing deductions for a number of things that others could not.
Not my problem, they should ask their blue masters to lower their state taxes
 
What's your point? An alleged "fact check" that actually says

FACT CHECKER | Trump repeatedly claims he passed the biggest tax cut in U.S. history, but it’s just not true. He’s earned Four Pinocchios for this claim before — but repeated it 57 times in his first year as president.

The best way to compare tax cuts (or spending plans) over time is to measure them as a percentage of the national economy. Inflation-adjusted dollars are another option, but a percentage of gross domestic product helps put the impact of the bill into context. Trump tax cut, according to Treasury Dept. data, is nearly 0.9 percent of GDP — compared to 2.89 percent of GDP for Ronald Reagan’s 1981 tax cut. Trump’s tax cut is only the eighth largest — and is even smaller than two of Barack Obama’s tax cuts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ax-cut-in-u-s-history/?utm_term=.fd6d5ee40331

It wasn't really the biggest tax break in history. You got a bigger tax cut from Obama without all the number shuflling BS. If it were everybody would be happy. All Republicans would have to do is lower the rates. Who could complain about lower rates? But they lowered the rates then took back by getting rid of deductions. They claimed the standard deduction was doubled. But that's if you ignore that they took away the personal exemption. Nurses can't deduct their scrubs. Salesmen can't deduct their travel expenses.

The real winners here are the rich and corporations.
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ax-cut-in-u-s-history/?utm_term=.fd6d5ee40331

It wasn't really the biggest tax break in history. You got a bigger tax cut from Obama without all the number shuflling BS. If it were everybody would be happy. All Republicans would have to do is lower the rates. Who could complain about lower rates? But they lowered the rates then took back by getting rid of deductions. They claimed the standard deduction was doubled. But that's if you ignore that they took away the personal exemption. Nurses can't deduct their scrubs. Salesmen can't deduct their travel expenses.
LOL, you don't count all that mumbo-jumbo fact check spews as "number-shuffling"? Oh, of course not because it elevates the Chosen One above Trump. :roll:

SonOfD said:
The real winners here are the rich and corporations.
And almost everyone else according to Tax Policy Center. And the rich shouldered MORE of the total tax paid.

Oh, and IF I recall correctly Obama's "tax cuts" were, in reality just extensions of GWB's cuts.
 
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Families being irresponsible with their finances is not my problEm, they payed less this year.

They willingly spent their “refund” in many smaller installments over the year

And it was so small they never even noticed it
 
Not my problem, they should ask their blue masters to lower their state taxes

That doesn't change the fact that the Federal deductions were taken away and as a result millions of Americans got hefty tax increases
 
Families being irresponsible with their finances is not my problEm, they payed less this year.

They willingly spent their “refund” in many smaller installments over the year

Now you're using BOTH MATH and LOGIC. (Two of the Great Mysteries of the Universe to the left. It is "HATE" that you resort to using them here!! )

The DP LEFT will be curled up in a fetal position ball, crying for their mommy, if you do not stop with the "hate"!! :mrgreen:
 
Federal income taxes are not even CLOSE to all the taxes paid by AMAZON, etal.

Which has nothing to do with a thread about how screwed up federal income taxes are.
 
Stop worrying about what someone or something else got -envy and jealous don't prove anything. The overall effective tax rate for corporations was about 25%

The tax rate is what they are supposed to be paying. The actual tax they paid is a fact. When the number is negative; not only did they not pay their share, they took some of the taxes I paid. I'm not jealous. I want a fair system.
 
I might ask you the same question.

I posted because your reasoning is invalid and all you're doing in this thread is posting a bunch of distractions from the point. Your last post wasn't even a response to mine. Now you appear to be trying a "thin it down" technique to get a little board distance from the original set of posts--yet another distraction. If you're going to respond, you should respond to the point.
 
I posted because your reasoning is invalid and all you're doing in this thread is posting a bunch of distractions from the point. Your last post wasn't even a response to mine. Now you appear to be trying a "thin it down" technique to get a little board distance from the original set of posts--yet another distraction. If you're going to respond, you should respond to the point.

And he keeps going.....
 
That doesn't change the fact that the Federal deductions were taken away and as a result millions of Americans got hefty tax increases

Not according to the results so far. Those millions are outliers with special situations, where they were taking advantage of the rest of us.
 
What kind of tax cut only applies to some people? A real tax cut would show that 100% of the people got a tax cut. All they had to do was reduce the rates. Instead, they went and shredded deductions.

In the end, most people got an extra $20 in each paycheck only to be shocked by their refund.

Are you including the rich in your 100%. But all this proves is people are dumb and the tax system is too complex. They should have shredded all the deductions and gone with a flat tax.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ax-cut-in-u-s-history/?utm_term=.fd6d5ee40331

It wasn't really the biggest tax break in history. You got a bigger tax cut from Obama without all the number shuflling BS. If it were everybody would be happy. All Republicans would have to do is lower the rates. Who could complain about lower rates? But they lowered the rates then took back by getting rid of deductions. They claimed the standard deduction was doubled. But that's if you ignore that they took away the personal exemption. Nurses can't deduct their scrubs. Salesmen can't deduct their travel expenses.

The real winners here are the rich and corporations.

Nurses were able to deduct their clothes? Salesman their travel expenses? No wonder everyone was paying less than me. Thanks Trump for simplifying taxes. Hopefully this was just the start. But Im sure democrats will put it all back in some day...
 
For the record...I just saw MY tax guy. We are getting back about 3 k cumulative from the fed and state this year...thats a MAJOR drop from just under 9 k last year. OHMIGARSH...we got screwed...huh?

No.

Shortly after this time last year we met with my 'tax guy' (the same guy at HR Block I have used for a decade) and we reviewed my income, investments, and made adjustments. I dont LIKE having the government hold my money for me. We upped our investment withholdings from 9% to 14% (matched 5%) and increased a a savings allotment. We werent shooting for absolute zero...I like a little bit of a buffer...but we were shooting for the 1-2k range. I will met with him again in about a month and actually increase my tax withholding for the remaining 7 months of the year because at current rate with the changes we made this time LAST year, it will be a lot closer to zero.

Heres the reality. If anyone got 'screwed' in this new tax reform, its probable that they got screwed because they didnt pay any attention to their income, were bitter and angry all year while they spent the increased money they had available to them (because **** Trump, man!) and didnt meet with their 'tax guy' to discuss their finances...at all.
 
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