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How could anyone be happy that Assange may go to prison?

RBIII said:
You think a parent killing someone who killed their child is wrong? I don't but there will be consequences. Which means if you are willing to accept the consequences then good for you. You can't let injustice ride because of fear of consequences.

So yes, he should pay the price, and he will, but we should be celebrating this guy instead of piling on. He basically sacrificed himself for the greater good.
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Did you read any of what you responded to??? I said that people understand a parent doing exactly that, but that the penalty must be paid nonetheless.

That said, lets stop treating Assange like some sort of selfless martyr. He chooses the people he ****s over carefully, and when one makes that call, it becomes rather difficult to see other actions through some sort of lens of pure nature, know what I mean?

Otherwise, why didnt he drop all of the info he had on Russia?
 
RBIII said:
So, if a whistle blower secretly recorded a conversation lets say, with the powers that be, and released it to the public, and that information severely damaged the powers that be, are you upset with the messenger more than the people who are actually ruling?

I'm just trying to understand the hate for a man who is trying to enlightened the general public in any capacity.
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Depends on the actions of the whistleblower.

If they have info on the CFO embezzling money, the Director of Security giving out company secrets, and a member of the board cheating on his wife, and only the latter comes out, then no, its hard to consider that anything other than a spiteful action.

Hes hated becausenhe didnt just **** on everyone equally. He picked and chose his targets, and without regard to the security of nations to boot.

**** him.
 
Another DP Troll Bait Thread. Like we needed more.
 
RBIII said:
Right, but this wasn't about medical records, that folder, or financial records. It was actual corruption that was exposed, which has to be good. If Hillary is a virus to humanity (which she is imo), then Assange is the anti virus. It's like being upset at the doctor for telling you that you have a disease.
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The point is that they didn't steal and release only the evidence of criminality, they grabbed as much as they could get access to and published pretty much all of it regardless of content. If your doctor is guilty of insurance fraud, you wouldn't expect your medical records (and those of all his other patients) published on the internet, only the relevant evidence to the crime.
 
RBIII said:
It doesn't matter if you are on the left or the right, someone exposing truth should be celebrated. What a strange time we live in, we need more truth period.

What happened to don't shoot the messenger?
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Whatever happened to the right to privacy? I’ll bet you’d feel completely different if you were on the receiving of Assange's bull****.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Whatever happened to the right to privacy? I’ll bet you’d feel completely different if you were on the receiving of Assange's bull****.
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Assange is no whisleblower. If he was, he wouldn't have hid out in the Equadorian Embassy for seven years. Assange has a political agenda. WikiLeaks actively supported the Trump campaign and the Russian plan to subvert the election. WikiLeaks probably played a bigger role in the getting Trump elected than any other factor.
 
RBIII said:
So, if a whistle blower secretly recorded a conversation lets say, with the powers that be, and released it to the public, and that information severely damaged the powers that be, are you upset with the messenger more than the people who are actually ruling?
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Recording conversations is legal in many jurisdictions.

If someone releases classified information to the public, then even if they do so for a good cause, they are still violating the law and ought to be arrested. They should run it up the chain. I don't know the specifics, and if I was in that position I'd definitely be talking to lawyers, and accepting that if I reveal classified information I could go to jail, regardless of any moral justifications I might have.

I dislike Assange because he's a self-serving, egotistical brat who manipulates people for his own perceived benefit. He isn't revealing secrets to make the world a better place, he's doing it because he thinks it would be so awesome to take down a government that, in his view, wronged him somehow. Watch some of the documentaries on him, he's a real piece of work.

Regardless of my opinion, though, are the legal issues. They have him dead to rights on violating his bail, and hopefully the judge will slam him with the max (1 year). If his lawyers can prove that he did not assist Manning or is innocent of other charges, then he shouldn't go to jail on those charges.

I.e. This is not about my feelings, it's about the rule of law.
 
RBIII said:
And what is going on in Russia that you think could be reported on that is not being reported on? Maybe there is nothing there worth reporting? What is it about Russia that people are so afraid of, if you have a passport you can just go there as a tourist and see that its not the boogey man that many people think it is.
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You're kidding, right?

This is not about the Russian people. Even when Wikileaks posts something about the US, it's not about the US people, it's about the government. The Russian government is basically a mob controlled government full of corruption, there would be plenty to leak about them, to expose the corruption. Yet, nothing.
 
snakestretcher said:
Anyone exposing corruption, graft and dishonesty in people with power over others, should be celebrated.
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Horse bull crap. People like that sometimes end up in the witness protection program because of their past sparkling behavior. Whitey Bulger informed on the italian mob in exchange for his being left alone by the fbi for years. He should be celebrated?

There is no proper way, in my opinion, to get that kind of information out to the public. Most likely if you kept information that say the president was breaking the law internal, it would get squashed just as nixon tried to do. Dean went out on the edge when he testified about what nixon was doing because he had no physical proof to back up what he was saying. The white house tried to crush him and then Butterfield admitted the president had tapes. What if mark felt, the number two man of the fbi had not been giving information to the reporters? Nixon would have gotten off scot free. Same thing about the vietnam war. Our government lied to us for years and kids died for nothing, ego. Ellsberg revealed the pentagon papers exposing the lie. Assange has it in for the united states, he is more of a spy than a journalist. Can't even begin to compare him to the people I mentioned.
 
Frankly I think "celebrating" Assange is absurd. That said, the real value at this point in bringing him back for prosecution is that if he did assist Manning in hacking systems, he assisted her in breaking the law. I don't give a damn whether he is a "publisher" or not. He broke the law.

We need to flesh through this whole issue of cyber theft and internet dumps because as with much of this technology it is waaaaaaay past anybody having exhibited any adherence to any sort of logic path whatsoever in determining how to handle it. I know. I would walk in to my hardware and software developer customers, find the hardworking EE's in the hardware side as diligent as I ever found them to be for all the decades I worked with hardware EE's. The EE's on the software side were google eyed believers without a clue as to the sociological and legal predicaments they were about to confront us with nor did they care. Never saw such an uncaring bunch in the face of what was as clear to us as the noses on our faces.

Assange sits right at the intersection of the consequences and his involvement in the Manning incident must be fleshed out as a part of the process of us getting a grip on this nonsense as it has already gone too far.
 
snakestretcher said:
Anyone exposing corruption, graft and dishonesty in people with power over others, should be celebrated.
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So, you believe, then, that Assange should be celebrated because he "exposed corruption, graft, etc.." ?
 
Airyaman said:
I guess no one finds it odd that Wikileaks never seems to reveal the "truth" about anything going on in Russia...mostly just the USA.

Now, if it was a domestic (US) journalistic outfit, that might be acceptable. But that simply is not the case.

Hint: Wikileaks is not a journalistic outfit.
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I guess his avoiding being critical of Russia has something to do Putin assassinating journalists exposing Russian corruption.


I can't knock a guy for that, so the question is, is he pro Russia, anti west, or what?
 
RBIII said:
The mainstream media was very one sided against Trump during the campaign, should we throw the whole mainstream media away? Have they lost their way?
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I dont' agree with that premise, though I do agree he got more coverage than other candidates.

And I criticized, as did many libs ( especially Maher ) the media for it. To a mild extent, they did lose there way.

Democracy cannot survive without a free press ( regardless of whether you like their content or not) so tossing them out is not an option, but democracy can survive without self-decribed justice do-gooders who purport to be blowing the whistle on oppressors, but in truth they are merely the useful idiots of fascists and fascist wannabees.
 
Lesh said:
Assange is operating as a Russian agent.

He was instrumental in both the Snowden leaks (Snowden is now hiding in Russia) and the Manning leaks (she was convicted) and helped them attack our election system.

He should rot in hell
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Most of the people operating as Russian agents, outside the US, are Russians or other non-Americans: Do you think the US has the right to extradite them all? And do you think that Russia has the right to prosecute US agents, operating in the US or anywhere else outside Russia?

It worries me that the Assange affair is starting to show Americans at their arrogant, bullying and, I fear, stupid worst.
 
OscarLevant said:
Wikileaks was very one sided during the Trump campaign signaling that wikileaks has lost it's way.

That is when you shoot the messenger.
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Ever thought of the possibility that he did not have anything on Trump.
 
Airyaman said:
You're kidding, right?

This is not about the Russian people. Even when Wikileaks posts something about the US, it's not about the US people, it's about the government. The Russian government is basically a mob controlled government full of corruption, there would be plenty to leak about them, to expose the corruption. Yet, nothing.
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Yes, but this is known, so what is there for Assange to report that we don't already know? The Russian government is not a democracy, its not the only country that operates in this way, so what would be the point of reporting on things that are already known? If you are going to risk your life and freedom for "justice" pointing out known information would be a waste.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Whatever happened to the right to privacy? I’ll bet you’d feel completely different if you were on the receiving of Assange's bull****.
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Criminals don't deserve to keep their crimes private, they have to actively behave to keep their crimes private, hence unsolved murders like Seth Rich.The average person is not a criminal and has nothing to hide. If you have something to hide then you should be afraid.
 
bongsaway said:
Horse bull crap. People like that sometimes end up in the witness protection program because of their past sparkling behavior. Whitey Bulger informed on the italian mob in exchange for his being left alone by the fbi for years. He should be celebrated?

There is no proper way, in my opinion, to get that kind of information out to the public. Most likely if you kept information that say the president was breaking the law internal, it would get squashed just as nixon tried to do. Dean went out on the edge when he testified about what nixon was doing because he had no physical proof to back up what he was saying. The white house tried to crush him and then Butterfield admitted the president had tapes. What if mark felt, the number two man of the fbi had not been giving information to the reporters? Nixon would have gotten off scot free. Same thing about the vietnam war. Our government lied to us for years and kids died for nothing, ego. Ellsberg revealed the pentagon papers exposing the lie. Assange has it in for the united states, he is more of a spy than a journalist. Can't even begin to compare him to the people I mentioned.
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He's still exposing lies and corruption, which is good, you all can't get away from that.
 
 
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OscarLevant said:
I dont' agree with that premise, though I do agree he got more coverage than other candidates.

And I criticized, as did many libs ( especially Maher ) the media for it. To a mild extent, they did lose there way.

Democracy cannot survive without a free press ( regardless of whether you like their content or not) so tossing them out is not an option, but democracy can survive without self-decribed justice do-gooders who purport to be blowing the whistle on oppressors, but in truth they are merely the useful idiots of fascists and fascist wannabees.
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Reasonable, my thing is, i don't care who exposes any truth, i want to hear it. People are basically mad because of the side they are on, truth doesn't have a side.
 
iguanaman said:
WikiLeaks is a front for Russian intelligence and has been for many years. Try and find a single example of them releasing anything detrimental to Russia if you do not believe me.

The WikiLeaks-Russia connection started way before the 2016 election - Vox
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Who gives A **** about the people who are damaged by the truth being exposed. This is the point many seem to be missing. If you want to damage Russia by releasing information, learn how to hack, risk your life and do it. But to be upset at someone who has done it for what he believes in is illogical.
 
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