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How important is it that the GOP wins the next election?

jnug said:
I don't that would have been the case if the GOP had nominated somebody other than Trump. DonDon has brought out the worst of everybody for better or worse.
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Perhaps not. But DonDon as you put it could have been easily avoided if the Democrats had nominated a decent candidate. Hillary was the only Democrat, probably alive or dead that could have possibly lost to Trump. It's not like the Democrats didn't have advance warning about Hillary, in February of 2016 a poll showed 56% of all Americans wanted the Democrats to nominate someone other than Hillary. The Democrats ignored America as a whole which was their right as America as a whole doesn't have a say on whom the democrats nominate. But America as a whole decides who wins the election.

2016 was an election in which the two least wanted candidates, the two most disliked candidates went against each other. Only three major party candidates in our history has had a favorable rating of less than 50%. Barry Goldwater at 43% in 1968 and the bottom two, the record holders for the lowest favorable rating ever, Hillary Clinton at 38% and Trump at 36% in 2016. Those same three are also the only three major party candidates having an unfavorable rating higher than their favorable rating. Even Goldwater would have trounced either one.

Highest to lowest favorable/unfavorable ratings of each major party presidential candidate.
Favorable/unfavorable
1956 Eisenhower 84/12%
1964 LBJ 81/13%
1976 Carter 81/16%
1960 JFK 80/14%
1960 Nixon 79/16%
1968 Nixon 79/22%
1976 Ford 79/20%
1972 Nixon 76/21%
1968 Humphrey 72/28%
1984 Reagan 71/30%
1980 Carter 68/32%
1984 Mondale 66/34%
1980 Reagan 64/31%
1992 Bill Clinton 64/33%
2008 Obama 62/35%
2012 Obama 62/37%
1956 Stevenson 61/31%
2004 G.W. Bush 61/39%
2008 McCain 60/35%
1992 G.H.W. Bush 59/40%
2000 G.W. Bush 58/38%
2004 Kerry 57/40%
1996 Bill Clinton 56/42%
1988 G.H.W. Bush 56/39%
2000 Gore 55/45%
2012 Romney 55/43%
1972 McGovern 55/41%
1996 Dole 54/45%
1988 Dukakis 50/45%
1964 Goldwater 43/47%
2016 Hillary Clinton 38/58%
2016 Donald Trump 36/60%

America as a whole didn't want either major party candidate. So they went with the candidate they least wanted to lose, not the one they wanted to win. They didn't want either on to win. But the one they least wanted to lose.
 
Like they always do

1. Negative campaign ads that just fling **** at democratic candidates, probably with the help of russian trolls
2. Purge democratic voters from the rolls
3. Make it as hard as possible for people to vote, particularly people who are likely to vote democrat
4. Lie, lie lie and make stuff up
 
Mycroft said:
Just because others do your work for you, don't expect me to do the same.

Put up or be dismissed. Your choice.
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You have it backwards. I do my own work and expect others to do the same instead of being spoon fed. But I notice some DPer's tend to warped logic. Your mileage may vary.
 
Idiometer said:
Waaah! Get some cheese to go with that whine. It took me three seconds to find this.

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Pay no attention to the link text, dunno why it comes out like that, but it really is just a list of EOs.

Sheesh.
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shrug...

Now...perhaps you can read jnug's mind and tell me which one supports his claim that Trump is an autocrat...since he doesn't do links.

btw, jnug owes you thanks for doing his work for him.
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

Now...perhaps you can read jnug's mind and tell me which one supports his claim that Trump is an autocrat...since he doesn't do links.

btw, jnug owes you thanks for doing his work for him.
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He did your work for YOU. See the way information gathering works is YOU go and GATHER the INFORMATION.

Then you use YOUR mind (if you have one) and try to understand what the INFORMATION means.
 
jnug said:
He did your work for YOU. See the way information gathering works is YOU go and GATHER the INFORMATION.
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So...can YOU tell me which EO supports your claim that Trump is an autocrat?

Or do you want me to do that, as well? LOL!!
 
bongsaway said:
Acting. It should be the official word of the trump administration. The president likes acting, it gives him more flexibility and the opportunity to tell congress to kiss his butt since acting doesn't have to be confirmed. Beside that acting is one of trump's more useful talents.

If trump does not win next election I expect all hell to break loose from the right.

New attorney general and all new heads of the departments that our president has installed his flunkies. My guess is he will immediately be hit by ny state charges as soon as he leaves office and there will be nobody left in positions of power to defend him except the rights supreme court. He's screwed if he loses and the right will go insane claiming...well we all know the crap they will claim.

Expect the very worst from the GOP as the elections draw nearer. Their enemies list should be extensive since the libs are trying to destroy america in their twisted opinion.
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If the Democrats win the White House in 2020, the Republicans will declare that their #1 priority is to make him/her a one term president. They will call the new president a socialist and/or a Communist. They will question the POTUS qualifications. They will claim he/she was born in a foreign country, that he/she is not a real American, that he/she is in league with America's enemies.

In other words, it will be much like 2008.
 
Mycroft said:
So...can YOU tell me which EO supports your claim that Trump is an autocrat?

Or do you want me to do that, as well? LOL!!
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First two in the list. You want to look at those...take a little time to digest...maybe do some research and then search for how DonDon himself has commented about those two.
 
Speaking of a twisted opinion, it appears you have really twisted things into a knot when it comes to the demonstrated destructive agenda the GOP has against society, humanity and civilization. Among many atrocities committed by this antigovernment conspiring GOPer terrorist regime is working with their Russian affiliates to destroy the legitimacy of the 2016 election and also destroyed the credibility of the electoral college in a heinous way in Trump's favor, and in violation of the will of the majority voter that did not vote for this demagogue Trump and U.S. Constitutional law. In my opinion, if someone despises America and democracy, please leave or never dome to America in order to not be bothered with that goes on in America.
 
jnug said:
First two in the list. You want to look at those...take a little time to digest...maybe do some research and then search for how DonDon himself has commented about those two.
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Thank you. I was hoping you would point those out.

The first one starts with this:

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including Article II of the Constitution, which gives the President authority over foreign affairs and the authority to seek the opinions of principal officers, it is hereby ordered as follows:
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So...he has the authority to issue this EO and the EO concerns seeking the opinions of principal officers. Doesn't sound very autocratic to me.

The second one starts with this:

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:
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Again, he has the authority. Not autocratic.

Perhaps you don't know what "autocratic" means. This will help:

An autocracy is a system of government in which supreme power is concentrated in the hands of one person, whose decisions are subject to neither external legal restraints nor regularized mechanisms of popular control (except perhaps for the implicit threat of a coup d'état or mass insurrection).[1] Absolute monarchies (such as Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Oman, Brunei and Swaziland) and dictatorships (such as Turkmenistan and North Korea) are the main modern-day forms of autocracy.

Autocracy - Wikipedia
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Well, since Trump's power comes from the Constitution and laws of the US, it seems autocratic doesn't apply to him.

Sorry about that.
 
Mycroft said:
Ask the Chamber of Commerce what they think about the tax cuts. Ask them what they think about the USMCA. Ask them what they think about tariffs. Ask them how much money they've given to Congressmen.

That will give you an idea what the corporate donors think about Trump.
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Chambers of Commerce are not the donor class. Their influence pales in comparison to corporate America's deep pocketed lobbyists.
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

Now...perhaps you can read jnug's mind and tell me which one supports his claim that Trump is an autocrat...since he doesn't do links.

btw, jnug owes you thanks for doing his work for him.
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I didn't read the EOs. I'm already not having a very good day. Reading Trumpisms would SOOO not improve my mood.

:beam:
 
jnug said:
You are absolutely correct. Newt is the true father of this entire mess. We all saw the weaknesses in the system the Founders set up. We have all known it for 200+ years. It took a real dickhead like Newt to take us down this path. Anybody down through the ages could have attempted to disassemble deliberation and bipartisanship the way Newt did. Like I said...it took a real dickhead to actually do it. His own party eventually ran him off as he proved not to be a messiah but just another charlatan. Unfortunately the die was cast and here we are.

Newt could thank his lucky stars that there was not an LBJ on the Hill when he pulled his nonsense. I do not think it out of the realm of possibility that Newt would have found himself fitted up for the Texas version of cement overshoes if LBJ had been around at the time.
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Nah, Johnson had more class but you can be assured he would be nose to nose with him in the oval office. Johnson knew nixon had sent his goons to north vietnam to undermine his peace talks and it worked. There is a recording of johnson basically telling nixon I know what you did and of course nixon denying it. Win at any cost was way before newt.
 
Mycroft said:
Really? $94+million (and that's just in 2018...other years it's been much more) is not "donor class"?

US Chamber of Commerce: Summary | OpenSecrets

I'm thinking you don't know much about the CoC.
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You could be right. However, what I see as donor class are people like George Soros, the Koch Brothers, Sheldon Adelson, and corporations like ExxonMobil, General Motors, Pfizer, Goldmans Sachs and other "too big to fail" types who put up hundreds of millions each in front of every election. Both sides have deep pocket donors, but most of those donate to conservative PACs and candidates.
 
Mycroft said:
Thank you. I was hoping you would point those out.

The first one starts with this:



So...he has the authority to issue this EO and the EO concerns seeking the opinions of principal officers. Doesn't sound very autocratic to me.

The second one starts with this:



Again, he has the authority. Not autocratic.

Perhaps you don't know what "autocratic" means. This will help:



Well, since Trump's power comes from the Constitution and laws of the US, it seems autocratic doesn't apply to him.

Sorry about that.
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You may not be aware of this. Why am I not surprised. The STATES have a say in pipeline location whether they are US border states of not. Trump is simply bulldozing their state rights. Not quote GOP of him now is it. Now do you get it?

Did you bother to check for Trump's own take on those EO's? I bet not!

Of course Trump will be taken to Court by those states and he will attempt to improve on his 6% Court win rate.
 
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Idiometer said:
You could be right. However, what I see as donor class are people like George Soros, the Koch Brothers, Sheldon Adelson, and corporations like ExxonMobil, General Motors, Pfizer, Goldmans Sachs and other "too big to fail" types who put up hundreds of millions each in front of every election. Both sides have deep pocket donors, but most of those donate to conservative PACs and candidates.
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LOL!!

Nonsense. Those that you mention donate to BOTH parties.

For example...General Motors: General Motors: Summary | OpenSecrets
 
jnug said:
You may not be aware of this. Why am I not surprised. The STATES have a say in pipeline location whether they are US border states of not. Trump is simply bulldozing their state rights. Not quote GOP of him now is it. Now do you get it?

Did you bother to check for Trump's own take on those EO's? I bet not!

Of course Trump will be taken to Court by those states and he will attempt to improve on his 6% Court win rate.
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The fact that he can be taken to court is more proof that he is not autocratic.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

Nonsense. Those that you mention donate to BOTH parties.

For example...General Motors: General Motors: Summary | OpenSecrets
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Those that I mentioned? Did I claim those were all of them? I stand by my statement: the GOP has more deep pocket donors than the Dems. They always have. We're going to continue have ugly campaigns and elections until we get the big money out of the process.
 
Idiometer said:
Those that I mentioned? Did I claim those were all of them? I stand by my statement: the GOP has more deep pocket donors than the Dems. They always have. We're going to continue have ugly campaigns and elections until we get the big money out of the process.
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It's not a competition. The donors donate to both parties. They don't care about Rep or Dem. They care about getting what they want...and both parties give them what they want.

The only ones who don't get what they want...or, even, what they need...are the voters.

Which brings us back to my "better question".

"A better question is this: How important is it to Congressional donors that Trump does NOT win the next election?

Answer: Trillions of dollars worth of importance."
 
Mycroft said:
It's not a competition. The donors donate to both parties. They don't care about Rep or Dem. They care about getting what they want...and both parties give them what they want.

The only ones who don't get what they want...or, even, what they need...are the voters.

Which brings us back to my "better question".

"A better question is this: How important is it to Congressional donors that Trump does NOT win the next election?

Answer: Trillions of dollars worth of importance."
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And I continue to disagree. The donor class LIKES Trump. He gave then a HUGE tax cut. There's your trillions right there.
 
bongsaway said:
Acting. It should be the official word of the trump administration. The president likes acting, it gives him more flexibility and the opportunity to tell congress to kiss his butt since acting doesn't have to be confirmed. Beside that acting is one of trump's more useful talents.

If trump does not win next election I expect all hell to break loose from the right.

New attorney general and all new heads of the departments that our president has installed his flunkies. My guess is he will immediately be hit by ny state charges as soon as he leaves office and there will be nobody left in positions of power to defend him except the rights supreme court. He's screwed if he loses and the right will go insane claiming...well we all know the crap they will claim.

Expect the very worst from the GOP as the elections draw nearer. Their enemies list should be extensive since the libs are trying to destroy america in their twisted opinion.
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You mean like what we have been going through for the last two years with the left being more rabid than a pack of wild dogs?
 
Dittohead not! said:
If the Democrats win the White House in 2020, the Republicans will declare that their #1 priority is to make him/her a one term president. They will call the new president a socialist and/or a Communist. They will question the POTUS qualifications. They will claim he/she was born in a foreign country, that he/she is not a real American, that he/she is in league with America's enemies.

In other words, it will be much like 2008.
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And 1993, lol.
 
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