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Yes, Virginia: Hitler really was a socialist

Fletch said:
Wikipedia is not an argument. Hitler was a socialist. The problem you have is that you cant name a socialist country or a socialist leader of any country in history. You, like every other leftist, have a utopian view of something that has never existed in practice--a socialist state. But the fact is there have been numerous socialist states from Hitler to Lenin to Castro to Chaves just to name a few, but you wont acknowledge any of them.
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Well said sir.
 
snakestretcher said:
You, sir, don't have a clue. It's that word 'socialist' in National Socialism isn't it? Sorry mate, but Hitler was about as far right of socialism as you can get. Perhaps you might explain why it was the socialists that went off to Hitler's concentration camps first. Because Hitler was a socialist, right? smfh
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I am on the far right. The farther right you go on the political spectrum, the smaller the government, the less power it has. Explain how a fascist state arises out of a limited government ideology. Answer: it cant. You cannot have fascism without first adopting the collectivist ideology of the left. Nothing can be more obvious, yet you dont see it.
 
snakestretcher said:
You really don't have even the vaguest hint of a clue, do you. If Hitler was a socialist you might want to explain why socialists in Nazi Germany were the first to be sent to the concentration camps. I'll wait...
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:lol:

I doubt they have a talking point for that yet.
 
Fletch said:
I am on the far right. The farther right you go on the political spectrum, the smaller the government, the less power it has. Explain how a fascist state arises out of a limited government ideology. Answer: it cant. You cannot have fascism without first adopting the collectivist ideology of the left. Nothing can be more obvious, yet you dont see it.
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Answer the question; why did Hitler kill off any socialists he could find? Because...?
 
Fletch said:
I am on the far right. The farther right you go on the political spectrum, the smaller the government, the less power it has. Explain how a fascist state arises out of a limited government ideology. Answer: it cant. You cannot have fascism without first adopting the collectivist ideology of the left. Nothing can be more obvious, yet you dont see it.
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The further Right, the less thinking. That's a proven fact.
 
snakestretcher said:
Answer the question; why did Hitler kill off any socialists he could find? Because...?
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He didnt. His rise to power was marked with violent clashes with the communists not the socialists, unless you are saying they are the same
 
Fletch said:
He didnt. His rise to power was marked with violent clashes with the communists not the socialists, unless you are saying they are the same
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Hahaha! You crease me up. Do yourself a favour and read a history book or two (those things made of paper with writing in them). I recommend 'The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich', Wiiliam M. Shirer. That'll set you straight; who knows, you might even learn something other than what you're told on Stormfront.
'Hitler was a socialist':lamo
 
snakestretcher said:
I should have learned by now that trying to educate conservatives is like pissing into the wind.
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You struggle because you arent educated on the subject. If you would actually think for a moment you would understand. You cannot have fascism without first embracing the ideology of collectivism and erecting an all powerful state. That is the opposite of right wing ideology and fits in perfectly with left wing ideology.
 
snakestretcher said:
Hahaha! You crease me up. Do yourself a favour and read a history book or two (those things made of paper with writing in them). I recommend 'The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich', Wiiliam M. Shirer. That'll set you straight; who knows, you might even learn something.
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I read that likely before you were born
 
Fletch said:
He didnt. His rise to power was marked with violent clashes with the communists not the socialists, unless you are saying they are the same
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Ignorance is not a virtue.

Night of the Long Knives

Many of those killed in the purge were leaders of the SA, the best-known being Röhm himself, the SA's chief of staff and one of Hitler's longtime supporters and allies. Leading members of the socialist-leaning Strasserist faction of the Nazi Party, including its figurehead, Gregor Strasser, were also killed, as were establishment conservatives and anti-Nazis, such as former Chancellor Kurt von Schleicher and Bavarian politician Gustav Ritter von Kahr, who had suppressed Hitler's Munich Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. The murders of SA leaders were also intended to improve the image of the Hitler government with a German public that was increasingly critical of thuggish SA tactics.
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Fletch said:
You struggle because you arent educated on the subject. If you would actually think for a moment you would understand. You cannot have fascism without first embracing the ideology of collectivism and erecting an all powerful state. That is the opposite of right wing ideology and fits in perfectly with left wing ideology.
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Dude, seriously, get an education. Start here: Were the Nazis Socialists? | Britannica.com
 
Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Lutheran pastor in Germany. He emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps. He is perhaps best remembered for his postwar words, “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out…”
 
Fletch said:
I am on the far right. The farther right you go on the political spectrum, the smaller the government, the less power it has. Explain how a fascist state arises out of a limited government ideology. Answer: it cant. You cannot have fascism without first adopting the collectivist ideology of the left. Nothing can be more obvious, yet you dont see it.
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The bolded is unequivocally false.
 
Once again "Lean- Very conservative" equals the dumbest post and really bad trolling
 
Thingfish said:
that we’re sold from a capitalistic company that makes plows, as far as schools go, those were built using capital and built prolly by the lowest bidder, yes just like the planes.
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The source of things does not make them capitalistic when they are owned and operated by a government entity - that is the definition of socialism. A mixed system is desirable. The choice is making up the mix. Like, it is in the best interest of a county to educate every individual to their capacity - not just rich people who bribe their way in. China at the national level is busy preparing the leaders of the next advance in Artificial Intelligence, we are trying to save a few coal mining jobs to the determent of our environment.
 
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calamity said:
Ignorance is not a virtue.

Night of the Long Knives
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Many of those killed in the purge were leaders of the SA, the best-known being Röhm himself, the SA's chief of staff and one of Hitler's longtime supporters and allies. Leading members of the socialist-leaning Strasserist faction of the Nazi Party, including its figurehead, Gregor Strasser, were also killed, as were establishment conservatives and anti-Nazis, such as former Chancellor Kurt von Schleicher and Bavarian politician Gustav Ritter von Kahr, who had suppressed Hitler's Munich Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. The murders of SA leaders were also intended to improve the image of the Hitler government with a German public that was increasingly critical of thuggish SA tactics.
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dude, this actually reinforces Fletch's point IF you know the history of the pre struggle to world war 2... Hitler killed SA leaders at that time he was afraid they were getting to POWERFUL and might try to take over the party from him. its why he constantly played the SS against the SA , so the could keep them ALL in line.

that they were socialist means nothing other than there WERE socialist elements to the nazi leadership.
 
AncientGeek said:
I did not say Socialists are right wing. I said Fascists are. I'm not sure Nazis were socialist but in name.

fas·cism
[ˈfaSHˌizəm]

NOUN
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms:
authoritarianism · totalitarianism · dictatorship · despotism · autocracy · absolute rule · Nazism · rightism · militarism · nationalism · xenophobia · racism · anti-Semitism · [more]
(in general use) extreme authoritarian, oppressive, or intolerant views or practices.
"this is yet another example of health fascism in action"

Fascism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical, right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism,[1][2][3][4] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy,[5] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[6] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.[6] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11]

Mussolini (enamored with the grandeur of the Roman Empire) campaigned on Make Italy Great Again.
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Your manufactured definition of fascism is a lie. You apparently are not familiar with Mussolini's famous quote: "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." That is the socialist creed.

Whether you like it or not, NAZIs and Fascists are lefti-wing and always have been. At no time could anyone with an education construe either organization to be anything other that rabid left-wing extremists. No different than the modern day anti-American left Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has been trying for decades to distance themselves from their direct support of the German NAZI's and Italian Fascists during the 1920s and 1930s. You appear to be the result of their indoctrination.
 
Glitch said:
Your manufactured definition of fascism is a lie. You apparently are not familiar with Mussolini's famous quote: "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." That is the socialist creed.

Whether you like it or not, NAZIs and Fascists are lefti-wing and always have been. At no time could anyone with an education construe either organization to be anything other that rabid left-wing extremists. No different than the modern day anti-American left Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has been trying for decades to distance themselves from their direct support of the German NAZI's and Italian Fascists during the 1920s and 1930s. You appear to be the result of their indoctrination.
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100% nonsense.
 
snakestretcher said:
No, Germany was fighting for global domination and lebensraum at the time, and those scapegoats were, in Nazi terminology, considered untermenschen. Hitler even had his eyes on the US, and in view of how hopelessly weak and unprepared America was militarily at the outset of the war, it was fortunate that Hitler didn't take advantage of the fact.
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Do you think the people of Germany voted for Nazi Germany because the people of Germany wished global domination? Duh?
 
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