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I am Not Afraid to Express my Pride

Race and skin color are 2 of the most ridiculous things on the planet to take 'pride' in. Regardless of whatever positive achievments some of a certain race have accomplished, you have no right to ownership of their acts or deeds, any more that you should bear the burden of the evil and corrupt **** others of said race have done.

This is all just bull**** and idiocy.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Fifty bucks to you if you can find any post of mine where I even use the word "globalism" or mention anything related to globalism in any way, even remotely. Otherwise, you're trying to derail the thread, put words in my mouth that I didn't say, and generally coming off as someone who thinks that their slow-witted dullardry is impressive or intimidating.

You got nothin', you ain't got "dick", brother. Maybe go find a safe space on GAB where you can comiserate with your brethren.
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Now you are simply trolling. I will do so when you show i support WHITE nationalism. I explicitly said i dont cotton to racially based nationalism. You simply ignored that and now imply I am a WHITE nationalist, as Gab is thick with them. This is dishonest trolling on your part. I see rational conversation on this topic with you is just not possible, it amounts to this:

'anyone who disagrees with me is a "white Nationalist"
 
PoppyCock said:
If reading is hard to understand, please re read this line from my post, you actually quoted. I will bold it, for good measure, below:

While i dont cotton to racially based Nationalism, i see no problem with a Nation putting it's own interests first.
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And I replied that a nation putting its interests first isn't white nationalism, white nationalism is white nationalism.

Are we going to resort to using a See & Spell so you can catch the meaning?
You introduced globalism. I'm pointing out the evils of white nationalism, and illustrating in great detail the difference between patriotism and nationalism, and that has nothing to do with globalism.

Nationalists define themselves by pointing out that they believe other races and cultures outside their own are inferior. This is at the root of what separates nationalism from simple ordinary honest patriotism.

If you simply put your nation's interests first, and manage to do so without engaging in a campaign to promote hatred of other nations, races and cultures, you might not be a nationalist.

However, why you automatically resort to gish galloping over to globalism is not my problem, it's yours.

If you still have difficulty understanding the modern era roots of white nationalism, go ask a World War Two veteran. They'll definitely explain it to you if they served in Europe.
If they served in the Pacific Theater, you'll get a detailed explanation of Japanese nationalism instead.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Nationalists define themselves by pointing out that they believe other races and cultures outside their own are inferior. This is at the root of what separates nationalism from simple ordinary honest patriotism.

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Bull hockey. Nationalism based soley on being a citizen of your country, simply means you think the interests of your own Nation are most important.
 
VanceMack said:
Race and skin color are 2 of the most ridiculous things on the planet to take 'pride' in. Regardless of whatever positive achievments some of a certain race have accomplished, you have no right to ownership of their acts or deeds, any more that you should bear the burden of the evil and corrupt **** others of said race have done.

This is all just bull**** and idiocy.
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There is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage. Nothing wrong with nationalism. Too many have created a false definition for nationalism. So all the ideas of things such as black pride, Italian pride, Irish pride, pride in being an American or Mexican all these things are ridiculous?
 
PoppyCock said:
Bull hockey. Nationalism based soley on being a citizen of your country, simply means you think the interests of your own Nation are most important.
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Like I said, you're going to have to scroll back if you want to learn something.
 
Integrityrespec said:
There is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage. Nothing wrong with nationalism. Too many have created a false definition for nationalism. So all the ideas of things such as black pride, Italian pride, Irish pride, pride in being an American or Mexican all these things are ridiculous?
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Are those black pride, Italian pride, Irish pride and Mexican pride groups running around talking about how other races are inferior?
 
Integrityrespec said:
There is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage. Nothing wrong with nationalism. Too many have created a false definition for nationalism. So all the ideas of things such as black pride, Italian pride, Irish pride, pride in being an American or Mexican all these things are ridiculous?
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What the **** do you have to be 'proud' of? If you didnt DO **** you dont own it.

Yes...ABSOLUTELY...all of it is stupid. Its the kind of **** that causes idiots to run out and get their flags tattooed onto their forearms and proclaim their pride in countries most of those ****ers couldnt find on a map. Its just as stupid as the gay person that proclaims HIS pride and demonstrates his 'pride' by running around in the streets with assless chaps and a dildo glued to his forehead.
 
PoppyCock said:
Now you are simply trolling. I will do so when you show i support WHITE nationalism. I explicitly said i dont cotton to racially based nationalism. You simply ignored that and now imply I am a WHITE nationalist, as Gab is thick with them. This is dishonest trolling on your part. I see rational conversation on this topic with you is just not possible, it amounts to this:

'anyone who disagrees with me is a "white Nationalist"
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No, you have ignored the first pages of the thread and I simply don't intend to repeat myself when I said what I meant perfectly, and all you have to do is scroll back and read them.

If you aren't interested in doing that, that's not my problem.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Are those black pride, Italian pride, Irish pride and Mexican pride groups running around talking about how other races are inferior?
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Ever heard of the Black panthers or Nation of Islam or the Hebrew Isrealites? Pretty sure some Mexican gangs also preach racial superiority.
 
PoppyCock said:
Ever heard of the Black panthers or Nation of Islam or the Hebrew Isrealites? Pretty sure some Mexican gangs also preach racial superiority.
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Nation of Islam and the Black Hebrew Israelites are TEXTBOOK examples of nationalism, maybe even hyper-nationalism.
The Black Panthers were a rebel insurgency borne of fighting toxic police enforcement in that time period in and around Oakland, CA.

And please don't confuse the original Black Panthers with "The New Black Panthers", who have managed to alienate themselves from the original group so much that the original members SUED the NBPP in an attempt to prevent them from using the name.

The New Black Panther Party is indeed a hyper-nationalist group.
Some say that the Council of La Raza might be. Personally, I am on the fence but MeCha sure seems to be a bunch of nationalists.

It is mighty interesting that you brought up street gangs, because AGAIN, earlier in the thread I did some comparisons between nationalism and the way some street gangs preach their gospel. But the difference is, in the modern era white nationalism has even become state sanctioned and institutionalized, once over here in the 19th century and once in Germany.

Chechnya is undergoing spasms of nationalism at the moment.
 
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
Are those black pride, Italian pride, Irish pride and Mexican pride groups running around talking about how other races are inferior?
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You highlight your argument with the few out of millions that say such things. Sort of like Hitlers claim of Aryan supremacy. He had to try to create a new race to get what he wanted. He failed. why some folks have to find the worst examples and use as their proof is baffling.
 
Integrityrespec said:
You highlight your argument with the few out of millions that say such things. Sort of like Hitlers claim of Aryan supremacy. He had to try to create a new race to get what he wanted. He failed. why some folks have to find the worst examples and use as their proof is baffling.
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No, I did a more than adequate and wholly factual job defining it earlier in the thread, and I am pretty sure that you read those posts.

If the groups you mentioned aren't proclaiming inferiority of others, then they are not nationalistic.

Now watching you trying to minimize Hitler, that's a new low.
 
I think part of the problem is there has been a tendency among members of the "Alt Right" or the white nationalist movement to conflate Western Civilization with "White Culture," since, let's face it, the vast majority of Europeans were considered "Caucasian" or "white," notwithstanding various invasions/incursions over the centuries, such as the invasion of Hispania by the Moors in the 8th Century or the Mongol invasion of Europe in the 13th Century. Leftists have capitalized on this to the point that any use of the term "Western Civilization" to describe Western institutions or cultures is taken as "code" for white supremacy.

Personally, I don't take Greek or Roman or English culture to be "white" culture, but I do believe that the Greeks and Romans and English, among others, developed institutions and traditions that have been beneficial to the development of Western nations, including the United States. But to leftists, Western Civilization is the enemy, because Europeans used their "privilege," whether it was through "Western Imperialism," "racism," "corporatism," or some other "ism" to subjugate, control, and pillage "maginalized" cultures/nations/races. 1960s liberals preached that we all needed to unite by linking our hands together as one human race, but the leftist of today preaches that the only thing that matters is power, and if you want it you have to take it from those who have it. If you're white, wealthy, and male, like Howard Schultz, you've hit the privileged trifecta and need to get, at best, kicked off your pedestal.
 
This is an expression of phony patriotism loved by ever-offended white nationalists:
trump hugs flag.jpg

Trump loves his country like he loves the bible. Just another chicken to choke for Dhonalhd the Dhotard.
 
Ahlevah said:
I think part of the problem is there has been a tendency among members of the "Alt Right" or the white nationalist movement to conflate Western Civilization with "White Culture," since, let's face it, the vast majority of Europeans were considered "Caucasian" or "white," notwithstanding various invasions/incursions over the centuries, such as the invasion of Hispania by the Moors in the 8th Century or the Mongol invasion of Europe in the 13th Century.
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Well said. :peace

Ahlevah said:
Leftists have capitalized on this to the point that any use of the term "Western Civilization" to describe Western institutions or cultures is taken as "code" for white supremacy.
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Sorry no, watching throngs of homicidal tiki torch carrying thugs screaming "Jews will not replace us!" and chanting "Blood and Soil!!" repeatedly is taken as code for white supremacy.

Ahlevah said:
Personally, I don't take Greek or Roman or English culture to be "white" culture, but I do believe that the Greeks and Romans and English, among others, developed institutions and traditions that have been beneficial to the development of Western nations, including the United States.
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Ahlevah said:
But to leftists, Western Civilization is the enemy, because Europeans used their "privilege," whether it was through "Western Imperialism," "racism," "corporatism," or some other "ism" to subjugate, control, and pillage "maginalized" cultures/nations/races.
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No, they just don't want to have the glory and exceptionalism of the white race shoved forcibly down their throats when they know full well that this country was built by numerous non-white laborers, many of them slaves, and whites simply took the credit. Recognize that this was a joint venture and a multitude of wrongs begin to be righted. It isn't about "enemies", that's how Donald Trump thinks.

Ahlevah said:
1960s liberals preached that we all need to unite by linking our hands together as one human race, but the leftist of today preaches that the only thing that matters is power, and if you want it you have to take it from those who have it. If you're white, wealthy, and male, like Howard Schultz, you've hit the privileged trifecta and need to get, at best, kicked off your pedestal.
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Again, that's how Donald Trump thinks, which makes me suspect that you have never sat down and had an actual face to face conversation with any kind of liberal in the flesh, not to mention you seem overly fond of the term "leftists".


SHOW OF HANDS PLEASE!!
How many of you liberals out there refer to yourselves as "leftists"?

I'm betting it's less than 25%.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
It wouldn't even matter if you ARE expressing pride in being gay.
You're not expressing pride in being gay while at the same time running around screaming about how straight people are the devil incarnate, or inferior to gay people, are you?

That would be "gay nationalism", if "gay" was a country.
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I think we are confusing and mingling different concepts with these parades, flags etc. 1. You can celebrate a sense of community, a shared sense of identity values, history etc with a group. You don't have to 'do' anything to earn a sense of pride in the narrow meaning. Most patriotism falls in this category. 2. you can celebrate a sense of shared pride in accomplishments, challenges overcome etc as a member of a group. Veterans groups, women who fought for equal rights, gays who came out of the closet and worked for acceptance, or even people who volunteered to help create and maintain the local park. 3. You can celebrate your personal sense of pride in what you did, what you accomplished, and the challenges you overcame. Here it really is all about you. There is no shared goal or effort or shared values. There is no unifying factor or shared experience behind your accomplishment. You just feel proud what you did on your own.


Gays who march are not proud to' be gay'. They are proud of how they handled the struggles, the challenges and the obstacles society put in their path by coming out of the closet, by fighting for the same dignity and rights that are handed to straights on a platter, and and they are also expressing a sense of community and a shared sense of values and experiences and history associated with the gay subculture.
 
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PoppyCock said:
Ever heard of the Black panthers or Nation of Islam or the Hebrew Isrealites? Pretty sure some Mexican gangs also preach racial superiority.
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Hey, I thought I gave a perfectly respectable and non-hostile non-salty response.
Did you hate it or what?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Did James Brown ever say that other races were inferior?
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That's a different issue. I was responding to Kobe's statement, specifically "Nothing like being proud of something you had literally zero control over." Like I said, some people never got that memo. :shrug:
 
btthegreat said:
I think we are confusing and mingling different concepts with these parades, flags etc. 1. You can celebrate a sense of community, a shared sense of identity values, history etc with a group. You don't have to 'do' anything to earn a sense of pride in the narrow meaning. Most patriotism falls in this category. 2. you can celebrate a sense of shared pride in accomplishments, challenges overcome etc as a member of a group. Veterans groups, women who fought for equal rights, gays who came out of the closet and worked for acceptance, or even people who volunteered to help create and maintain the local park. 3. You can celebrate your personal sense of pride in what you did, what you accomplished, and the challenges you overcame. Here it really is all about you. There is no shared goal or effort or shared values. There is no unifying factor or shared experience behind your accomplishment. You just feel proud what you did on your own.
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And that is not nationalism.
It's not even remotely nationalist, it's just pride, it's a good thing. People should be proud of that stuff, yes?

I've never ever seen any of those groups running around insulting others or implying that others are inferior, or don't deserve rights.
 
Ahlevah said:
That's a different issue. I was responding to Kobe's statement, specifically "Nothing like being proud of something you had literally zero control over." Like I said, some people never got that memo. :shrug:
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Great, and I get it, but there's been a lot of smoke and fury in this thread about how nationalism is benevolent, and good, and how it's exactly the same as patriotism, and how it's just pride, and how the poor put upon white nationalists are being picked on, and so I am responding to the general tone of the thread and I saw fit to point out by example that James Brown's "Black and Proud" was not an example of "NATIONALISM".

I figure you understood that.

In another post, PoppyCock asked about the Black Hebrew Israelites and the Nation of Islam, and I pointed out that there are numerous characteristics of both groups which definitely identify them as nationalistic, even in the extreme.

The Nation of Islam continues even to this day to preach antisemitic tropes and talk of white blue-eyed devils, and its leader, Louis Farrakhan, even managed to get away with coordinating the murderous assassination of Malcolm X, a former NOI minister who experienced the perfect crisis of conscience when he encountered Muslims of every race and color at Mecca.
He came back chastened of his hyper-nationalistic impulses and wanted to mold NOI into a welcoming organization that would stand as a beacon to all Muslim peoples regardless of color or nationality, and when he attempted to do so, Elijah Muhammed recruited Farrakhan to do the hit.

And both men walked away free as a bird with X's blood on their hands.
Elijah rots in Hell to this day and I pray that Farrakhan gets to experience the pain and terror he meted out someday. May Farrakhan's demise be slow and torturous.
 
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
Nation of Islam and the Black Hebrew Israelites are TEXTBOOK examples of nationalism, maybe even hyper-nationalism.
The Black Panthers were a rebel insurgency borne of fighting toxic police enforcement in that time period in and around Oakland, CA.

And please don't confuse the original Black Panthers with "The New Black Panthers", who have managed to alienate themselves from the original group so much that the original members SUED the NBPP in an attempt to prevent them from using the name.

The New Black Panther Party is indeed a hyper-nationalist group.
Some say that the Council of La Raza might be. Personally, I am on the fence but MeCha sure seems to be a bunch of nationalists.

It is mighty interesting that you brought up street gangs, because AGAIN, earlier in the thread I did some comparisons between nationalism and the way some street gangs preach their gospel. But the difference is, in the modern era white nationalism has even become state sanctioned and institutionalized, once over here in the 19th century and once in Germany.

Chechnya is undergoing spasms of nationalism at the moment.
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You asked a question, i gave you clear examples, now you shift the uprights. So no, it's not just certain white groups, preaching supremacy.
 
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