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Weren't Most Slaves Better Off In America Than Where They Were?

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The left keeps on talking about slave reparations and how African Americans have been condemned to a generational cycle of poverty ever since and it's time to bring descendants up to speed. But, while they were slaves, weren't they actually better off in America than where they had been? I mean these people weren't taken from the Taj Mahal or from royal castles. Let's be honest. They were taken from sh!thole countries. In fact, if we turned the recent caravans of Central American illegal immigrants into slaves, giving them free room and board in exchange for work, wouldn't most of them actually jump at the idea?

Now I know some people will jump all over me for the humanity and disgustingness. But, I'm actually trying to have an honest discussion. Weren't the slaves (in many cases) who were forced to come to America actually better off than where they had been before? I mean, we know what their descendants lives are currently like now (with many of them actually doing quite well and many not) but, what would these descendants lives be like today if they had never been taken to America? And, if they are better off now in America than they would have been off today where they originally came from, there are no actual damages that they need reparations for. In fact, most are better off than they would have been if they hadn't been brought to America as slaves.

For the purpose of this discussion let's please not talk about whips and chains and physical abuse. The left wants to pay them reparations for their station in life. They've never once mentioned reparations for physical abuse. So, I beg everyone to stay on topic and answer the question honestly.
 
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I'm staying out of this. I don't know anything about blacks or slavery. I DO know they need to get in line for reparations. Natives were screwed first by the white folks taking over here. We want our damned national parks back before ANYTHING else happens.
 
Moderate Right said:
The left keeps on talking about slave reparations and how African Americans have been condemned to a generational cycle of poverty ever since and it's time to bring descendants up to speed. But, while they were slaves, weren't they actually better off in America than where they had been? I mean these people weren't taken from the Taj Mahal or from royal castles. Let's be honest. They were taken from sh!thole countries. In fact, if we turned the recent caravans of Central American illegal immigrants into slaves, giving them free room and board in exchange for work, wouldn't most of them actually jump at the idea? Now I know some people will jump all over me for the humanity and disgustingness. But, I'm actually trying to have an honest discussion. Weren't the slaves (in many cases) who were forced to come to America actually better off than where they had been before? I mean, we know what their descendants lives are currently like now (with many of them actually doing quite well and many not) but, what would these descendants lives be like today if they had never been taken to America? And, if they are better off now in America than they would have been off today where they originally came from, there are no actual damages that they need reparations for. For the purpose of this discussion let's please not talk about whips and chains and physical abuse. The left wants to pay them reparations for their station in life. They've never once mentioned reparations for physical abuse. So, I beg everyone to stay on topic and answer the question honestly.
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What an ignorant post! Wants to discuss slavery as though it was a pleasure cruise.....crack a book, dude!
 
The OP is such a “moderate”

Maybe on Stormfromt or 4chan

Unbelievable
 
Moderate Right said:
For the purpose of this discussion let's please not talk about whips and chains and physical abuse.
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Pick up a history book, "Moderate" Right. Slavery in the US was not happy-go-lucky, where they were having a grand ol' time. They were beaten, raped by their slave masters, separated from their families by force, shoved into cramped and unsantiary slave ships where many of them died due to extremely poor conditions, and they had absolutely no rights to speak of. You don't get to separate that from the discussion.

If anyone thinks that slaves were "better off" than they were, then they are a complete idiot.
 
Moderate Right said:
The left keeps on talking about slave reparations and how African Americans have been condemned to a generational cycle of poverty ever since and it's time to bring descendants up to speed. But, while they were slaves, weren't they actually better off in America than where they had been? I mean these people weren't taken from the Taj Mahal or from royal castles. Let's be honest. They were taken from sh!thole countries. In fact, if we turned the recent caravans of Central American illegal immigrants into slaves, giving them free room and board in exchange for work, wouldn't most of them actually jump at the idea?

Now I know some people will jump all over me for the humanity and disgustingness. But, I'm actually trying to have an honest discussion. Weren't the slaves (in many cases) who were forced to come to America actually better off than where they had been before? I mean, we know what their descendants lives are currently like now (with many of them actually doing quite well and many not) but, what would these descendants lives be like today if they had never been taken to America? And, if they are better off now in America than they would have been off today where they originally came from, there are no actual damages that they need reparations for. In fact, most are better off than they would have been if they hadn't been brought to America as slaves.

For the purpose of this discussion let's please not talk about whips and chains and physical abuse. The left wants to pay them reparations for their station in life. They've never once mentioned reparations for physical abuse. So, I beg everyone to stay on topic and answer the question honestly.
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Yes, let us talk about the whips, the chains, the lynchings, the rapes, the forced pregnancies, the child abuse. Let's talk about all that uncomfortable stuff. They were taken from their country, against their will, sold like cattle, treated worse than dogs and yet, somehow, you are actually suggesting that their slavery in America was a life-enhancing experience?
Your post is beyond ignorant and fully deserves being 'jumped on'.
 
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Moderate Right said:
The left keeps on talking about slave reparations and how African Americans have been condemned to a generational cycle of poverty ever since and it's time to bring descendants up to speed. But, while they were slaves, weren't they actually better off in America than where they had been? I mean these people weren't taken from the Taj Mahal or from royal castles. Let's be honest. They were taken from sh!thole countries. In fact, if we turned the recent caravans of Central American illegal immigrants into slaves, giving them free room and board in exchange for work, wouldn't most of them actually jump at the idea?

Now I know some people will jump all over me for the humanity and disgustingness. But, I'm actually trying to have an honest discussion. Weren't the slaves (in many cases) who were forced to come to America actually better off than where they had been before? I mean, we know what their descendants lives are currently like now (with many of them actually doing quite well and many not) but, what would these descendants lives be like today if they had never been taken to America? And, if they are better off now in America than they would have been off today where they originally came from, there are no actual damages that they need reparations for. In fact, most are better off than they would have been if they hadn't been brought to America as slaves.

For the purpose of this discussion let's please not talk about whips and chains and physical abuse. The left wants to pay them reparations for their station in life. They've never once mentioned reparations for physical abuse. So, I beg everyone to stay on topic and answer the question honestly.
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At the time they were brought over? No. Now of course the parts of Africa from which the slaves were drawn was by no means idyllic, as they were subject to intertribal wars, conflicts, famines and there was a vast amount of slavery practiced in Africa among its various tribes, as well as in its North African Arab and Berber regions. However, I think if they were somehow to be given the choice at the time, I believe most of those slaves would have chosen to remain in Africa rather than be brought over and forced to live out their lives in bondage in a foreign, alien land. Now, one can make the argument that many of the descendants of slaves were and are much better off than the descendants of the Africans who were not enslaved but remained in Africa. But as for the people initially enslaved shipped from Africa? Certainly not.
 
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All of these answers, except mine (and Felis's), are VERY typical liberal responses. You can't even broach the subject and ask for an intelligent conversation or you are a monster. No discussions. No conversations, just "you're an a-hole!!" Passion and emotion. Kinda like how ANTIFA behaves. I'm sorry you were made to feel like a slave owner for simply asking for discussion about it. That's liberal for ya. Try to let it bounce. I learned that trick long ago.
 
How low can one person go?

Just when you think that them saying they would rather vote for a pedophile than a Democrat, they come back and lower the bar.
 
augustus said:
All of these answers, except mine (and Felis's), are VERY typical liberal responses. You can't even broach the subject and ask for an intelligent conversation or you are a monster. No discussions. No conversations, just "you're an a-hole!!" Passion and emotion. Kinda like how ANTIFA behaves. I'm sorry you were made to feel like a slave owner for simply asking for discussion about it. That's liberal for ya. Try to let it bounce. I learned that trick long ago.
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Coming from a 'very conservative', this response is not surprising. The OP is suggesting that life enslaved is preferable to freedom. Do you really want to argue that?
 
americanwoman said:
How low can one person go?

Just when you think that them saying they would rather vote for a pedophile than a Democrat, they come back and lower the bar.
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How low can you go?
Can you go down low?
All the way to the floor
How low can you go?
 
Moderate Right said:
The left keeps on talking about slave reparations and how African Americans have been condemned to a generational cycle of poverty ever since and it's time to bring descendants up to speed. But, while they were slaves, weren't they actually better off in America than where they had been? I mean these people weren't taken from the Taj Mahal or from royal castles. Let's be honest. They were taken from sh!thole countries. In fact, if we turned the recent caravans of Central American illegal immigrants into slaves, giving them free room and board in exchange for work, wouldn't most of them actually jump at the idea?

Now I know some people will jump all over me for the humanity and disgustingness. But, I'm actually trying to have an honest discussion. Weren't the slaves (in many cases) who were forced to come to America actually better off than where they had been before? I mean, we know what their descendants lives are currently like now (with many of them actually doing quite well and many not) but, what would these descendants lives be like today if they had never been taken to America? And, if they are better off now in America than they would have been off today where they originally came from, there are no actual damages that they need reparations for. In fact, most are better off than they would have been if they hadn't been brought to America as slaves.

For the purpose of this discussion let's please not talk about whips and chains and physical abuse. The left wants to pay them reparations for their station in life. They've never once mentioned reparations for physical abuse. So, I beg everyone to stay on topic and answer the question honestly.
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Slavery-apologetic diatribes; is that the argument from new Right?

Hmm...and people wonder why I call the Right Nazis.
 
americanwoman said:
How low can one person go?

Just when you think that them saying they would rather vote for a pedophile than a Democrat, they come back and lower the bar.
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I know; right?

Hey, I know. Since slave traders paid for slaves to come to America. Maybe we should back-charge their descendants for the cost of transportation.
 
Moderate Right said:
The left keeps on talking about slave reparations and how African Americans have been condemned to a generational cycle of poverty ever since and it's time to bring descendants up to speed. But, while they were slaves, weren't they actually better off in America than where they had been? I mean these people weren't taken from the Taj Mahal or from royal castles. Let's be honest. They were taken from sh!thole countries. In fact, if we turned the recent caravans of Central American illegal immigrants into slaves, giving them free room and board in exchange for work, wouldn't most of them actually jump at the idea?

Now I know some people will jump all over me for the humanity and disgustingness. But, I'm actually trying to have an honest discussion. Weren't the slaves (in many cases) who were forced to come to America actually better off than where they had been before? I mean, we know what their descendants lives are currently like now (with many of them actually doing quite well and many not) but, what would these descendants lives be like today if they had never been taken to America? And, if they are better off now in America than they would have been off today where they originally came from, there are no actual damages that they need reparations for. In fact, most are better off than they would have been if they hadn't been brought to America as slaves.

For the purpose of this discussion let's please not talk about whips and chains and physical abuse. The left wants to pay them reparations for their station in life. They've never once mentioned reparations for physical abuse. So, I beg everyone to stay on topic and answer the question honestly.
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Good grief.

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No, slavery in America was not a better proposition to being left alone. This is why you guys get a bad rep... :lol: I don't even see this is necessarily #racist...not intentionally, anyway... This is straight up #Murica. I love you guys, but damn!!
 
calamity said:
I know; right?

Hey, I know. Since slave traders paid for slaves to come to America. Maybe we should charge them for the free transportation.
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Don't give them any ideas or the suggestions for reparations will turn into demands for payment, with interest.
 
Felis Leo said:
At the time they were brought over? No. Now of course the parts of Africa from which the slaves were drawn was by no means idyllic, as they were subject to intertribal wars, conflicts, famines and there was a vast amount of slavery practiced in Africa among its various tribes, as well as in its North African Arab and Berber regions. However, I think if they were somehow to be given the choice at the time, I believe most of those slaves would have chosen to remain in Africa rather than be brought over and forced to live out their lives in bondage in a foreign, alien land. Now, one can make the argument that many of the descendants of slaves were and are much better off than the descendants of the Africans who were not enslaved but remained in Africa. But as for the people initially enslaved shipped from Africa? Certainly not.
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Let's not forget the millions who died in the bottom of those ships.
 
augustus said:
All of these answers, except mine (and Felis's), are VERY typical liberal responses. You can't even broach the subject and ask for an intelligent conversation or you are a monster. No discussions. No conversations, just "you're an a-hole!!" Passion and emotion. Kinda like how ANTIFA behaves. I'm sorry you were made to feel like a slave owner for simply asking for discussion about it. That's liberal for ya. Try to let it bounce. I learned that trick long ago.
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You really think an intelligent discussion begins with "Weren't black folk better off as slaves?"

How about a conversation about "Natives were better off with smallpox"? I mean...at least they didn't have to be slaves....? You know, if they died of smallpox?

Yeah, that's how "intelligent" this is.
 
OlNate said:
Good grief.

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No, slavery in America was not a better proposition to being left alone. This is why you guys get a bad rep... :lol: I don't even see this is necessarily #racist...not intentionally, anyway... This is straight up #Murica. I love you guys, but damn!!
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Ignorance is no excuse for someone being an asshole. Just saying.
 
augustus said:
All of these answers, except mine (and Felis's), are VERY typical liberal responses. You can't even broach the subject and ask for an intelligent conversation or you are a monster. No discussions. No conversations, just "you're an a-hole!!" Passion and emotion. Kinda like how ANTIFA behaves. I'm sorry you were made to feel like a slave owner for simply asking for discussion about it. That's liberal for ya. Try to let it bounce. I learned that trick long ago.
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Your post drips with stupid. It’s one thing to discuss US involvement with slavery; it’s quite another to want to limit the discussion to the “good parts” and exclude a major component. Discuss it, by all means, but you can’t cherry pick those areas you want to concentrate on.....has your laundry come back yet?
 
calamity said:
Ignorance is no excuse for someone being an asshole. Just saying.
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lol...and accusing ignorance and accusing assholery are not mutually exclusive. Also just saying. ;)
 
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