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Now the DOJ doesn't just want to kill poor people with pre-existing medical conditions

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They're looking to cause an additional over 30,000 deaths per year by eliminating the Affordable Care Act entirely.

Justice Department now says courts should strike the entire ACA - Axios
The Justice Department now says the courts should strike down the entire Affordable Care Act — not just its protections for pre-existing conditions. The department signaled its new, broader position in a legal filing Monday, part of a lawsuit challenging the law's individual insurance mandate.

Why it matters: A ruling striking down the entire ACA would upend major parts of the health care system. Millions of people would lose their health care coverage, and a host of seemingly unrelated policies — including new experiments in how Medicare pays for care and an entire class of prescription drugs — would also go out the window.

How it works: A federal judge ruled in December that the ACA's individual mandate has become unconstitutional, because of the way Republicans zeroed out the penalty for being uninsured.
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Obamacare has already saved the lives of 90,000 people – David Burghoff
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Of course Conservatives will trot out their "the poor shouldn't get care if they can't afford it" narrative which is a veiled way of saying "let's kill the poor but passively and not actively."
 
Barnacle said:
Can't wait for Obamacare to end. The sooner the better.
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Translation: you want more people to die so you can save pennies on your taxes. No wonder America is behind Canada, England and other nations with socialized medicine, in maternal mortality and lifespans.
 
It's done more than that.


Saving lives and money, improving the safety and organization of care delivery? Of course the nihilists on the right are still after it.
 
Greenbeard said:
It's done more than that.


Saving lives and money, improving the safety and organization of care delivery? Of course the nihilists on the right are still after it.
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Conservatives just don't want the poor to live, and they are too scared to admit it.
 
Let them kill Obamacare. It's what Trump wanted all along. However, he said he had a better plan. Where is it?

So yeah, continue to go after the ACA. If you want something for the Democrats to campaign on, that is.

And here I thought the Democrats were going to screw up the chances on 2020...
 
Airyaman said:
Let them kill Obamacare. It's what Trump wanted all along. However, he said he had a better plan. Where is it?

So yeah, continue to go after the ACA. If you want something for the Democrats to campaign on, that is.

And here I thought the Democrats were going to screw up the chances on 2020...
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LOL Democrats always **** that up. Their lack of focus and lack of a spine will have them careening all over the place with their weaksauce ads just like they have always done.

But if they did listen to their base and apply some guts and determination they would win every Senate race and Trump would get slaughtered like Carter did. This is indeed a suicide move for the GOP. Their own base would turn on them for this one.
 
Airyaman said:
Let them kill Obamacare. It's what Trump wanted all along. However, he said he had a better plan. Where is it?

So yeah, continue to go after the ACA. If you want something for the Democrats to campaign on, that is.

And here I thought the Democrats were going to screw up the chances on 2020...
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Indeed, the Dems focused the 2018 campaign on health care and won bigly, even as Trump and GOP candidates were lying about wanting to protect people with pre-existing conditions. Now that Trump is declaring war on people with pre-existing conditions, looks like the Dems will be running on health care again next year.
 
Greenbeard said:
Indeed, the Dems focused the 2018 campaign on health care and won bigly, even as Trump and GOP candidates were lying about wanting to protect people with pre-existing conditions. Now that Trump is declaring war on people with pre-existing conditions, looks like the Dems will be running on health care again next year.
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Dems need to remind their congress people and candidates of this relentlessly. Maybe Trump has finally made the Democrats as relentless and starchy as the GOP. Time will tell. I know the Democrat BASE is on fire, and may never not be on fire again.
 
Zalatix said:
Dems need to remind their congress people and candidates of this relentlessly. Maybe Trump has finally made the Democrats as relentless and starchy as the GOP. Time will tell. I know the Democrat BASE is on fire, and may never not be on fire again.
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The Congressional leadership knows, at least. Reversing the damage Trump and the GOP are doing to the health care system and the sick will be central to the 2020 campaign. The 2018 health care strategy was Pelosi's brainchild and she and others will be unveiling major health care legislation later today. Stay tuned.

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Zalatix said:
They're looking to cause an additional over 30,000 deaths per year by eliminating the Affordable Care Act entirely.

Of course Conservatives will trot out their "the poor shouldn't get care if they can't afford it" narrative which is a veiled way of saying "let's kill the poor but passively and not actively."
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You're welcome to take care of the poor all you want with your own money. It has nothing to do with me. I work so that I can afford the things I need, so I dont have to rely on others. I pay taxes for the govt to defend my state from invasion and ensure justice, not provide me or anyone else with healthcare.
 
jonny5 said:
You're welcome to take care of the poor all you want with your own money. It has nothing to do with me. I work so that I can afford the things I need, so I dont have to rely on others. I pay taxes for the govt to defend my state from invasion and ensure justice, not provide me or anyone else with healthcare.
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The largest federal tax expenditure is the tax exclusion for employer-sponsored health insurance. A lot more than just “the poor” take advantage of that.
 
Greenbeard said:
The largest federal tax expenditure is the tax exclusion for employer-sponsored health insurance. A lot more than just “the poor” take advantage of that.
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So you’re saying he’s getting a handout from the government at the same time he rails about how expensive it is to help ‘the poor’?

Interesting.
 
Smooth move DonDon. You said you were all in on protecting pre-existing conditions and now your Justice Dept is supporting a Court ruling that is aimed at striking down all of the ACA including pre-existing conditions. At some point the GOP is just going to be done with DonDon. This might just be the issue that does them in.

50 million Americans lose coverage including pre-existing conditions. Sounds like a GOP loser for 2020. Is DonDon's sickness starting to sink in yet?
 
jnug said:
Smooth move DonDon. You said you were all in on protecting pre-existing conditions and now your Justice Dept is supporting a Court ruling that is aimed at striking down all of the ACA including pre-existing conditions. At some point the GOP is just going to be done with DonDon. This might just be the issue that does them in.

50 million Americans lose coverage including pre-existing conditions. Sounds like a GOP loser for 2020. Is DonDon's sickness starting to sink in yet?
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I wonder how Americans managed to survive before Obamacare
 
Barnacle said:
They weren't - they were dying en masse ... according to the hypocrites on the left. /s
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what it comes down to-pass something that is of dubious constitutionality, but once you get people dependent on it, the howls of doom and gloom will be tsunami-like if you try to get rid of it
 
TurtleDude said:
I wonder how Americans managed to survive before Obamacare
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Has DonDon not stated several times his support for pre-existing conditions coverage. You boys in Right field might be willing to simply take Trump's flip flops and outright lies like "Mexico will pay for it". I doubt DonDon captures anymore voters than his ghoulish base in 2020 especially if he pursues this course on healthcare. That said it will likely have the beneficial effect of disconnecting some parts of the GOP from DonDan and/or taking the entirety of the GOP down with him in 2020.
 
jnug said:
Has DonDon not stated several times his support for pre-existing conditions coverage. You boys in Right field might be willing to simply take Trump's flip flops and outright lies like "Mexico will pay for it". I doubt DonDon captures anymore voters than his ghoulish base in 2020 especially if he pursues this course on healthcare. That said it will likely have the beneficial effect of disconnecting some parts of the GOP from DonDan and/or taking the entirety of the GOP down with him in 2020.
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I couldn't care less. I just know that the AHCA should have been struck down. Sadly, Roberts wanted to be seen as "clever" by the mostly leftwing legal press so he did exactly what the Obama attorneys said the AHCA was not-a tax.
 
Barnacle said:
They weren't - they were dying en masse ... according to the hypocrites on the left. /s
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You can sneer all you like. Hospitals have gotten substantially safer under the ACA; early, potentially life-saving, interventions and treatments are now more common and widely available; care providers have been revamping care delivery and financial models to promote and preserve the health of those they serve; and millions of Americans enjoy far greater protection of their bodily and financial health than was the case pre-ACA.

By virtually every metric the American health system is doing better than it was a decade ago and the ACA deserves much of the credit for that.
 
Greenbeard said:
You can sneer all you like. Hospitals have gotten substantially safer under the ACA; early, potentially life-saving, interventions and treatments are now more common and widely available; care providers have been revamping care delivery and financial models to promote and preserve the health of those they serve; and millions of Americans enjoy far greater protection of their bodily and financial health than was the case pre-ACA.

By virtually every metric the American health system is doing better than it was a decade ago and the ACA deserves much of the credit for that.
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Imagine how much better shape it would be in if Trump had not been trying to kill it from day one while the GOP meanders between likes it, doesn't like, likes it, doesn't like it. Come to think about it, not DonDon has been on a round of likes it, doesn't like. What a joke.
 
Threegoofs said:
You know some didn't, right?

I mean... that's what the whole issue is about.
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I haven't seen any evidence of decreased mortality rates after the AHCA was implemented. I suspect it would not survive a supreme court challenge today.
 
TurtleDude said:
I haven't seen any evidence of decreased mortality rates after the AHCA was implemented. I suspect it would not survive a supreme court challenge today.
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It’s already been linked to lower infant mortality rates, lower maternal mortality rates, lower mortality rates from hospital-acquired conditions, earlier detection of and interventions for life-threatening conditions like cancer, and reductions in potentially life-threatening adverse events in a variety of circumstances involving touch points with the health system.

Well, the ACA has anyway. I don’t know what the “AHCA” is.
 
Greenbeard said:
It’s already been linked to lower infant mortality rates, lower maternal mortality rates, lower mortality rates from hospital-acquired conditions, earlier detection of and interventions for life-threatening conditions like cancer, and reductions in potentially life-threatening adverse events in a variety of circumstances involving touch points with the health system.
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Have you some evidence? this is news to me.
 
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