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Dear Collusionistas

Grokmaster said:
STILL RUNNING from the question we see:

NONE of the DP LEFT can answer this: WHAT WILL THE "FULL REPORT" change?


DO you really think that the HACK of the House Politburo will be able to secure INDICTMENTS that Mueller DID NOT, with the SAME INFORMATION he had?


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They have no interest in justice. What they want is to use the report as free oppo - research. Even fusion GPS couldn't match the dirt dug up by the 25 million dollar investigation and 2 years of digging by 13 lawyers and hundreds of agents. That's all they want. I agree with the guy who said all Trump should do is point. The whole campaign trail, have a white board on each side of him. One side have a list of accomplishments: Tax cuts, low unemployment, destruction of the caliphate, cutting regulations, dialogue with NK, No missiles flying over Japan, embassy to Jerusalem and recognition as capitol, renegotiating NAFTA, standing up to NATO etc. On the other side the Mueller investigation. Say, "I accomplished this......while dealing with this...……..:2wave:
 
akyron said:
You think they were not holdovers? Interesting.

The texts of testimony Lisa Page, Stozk are now available.

And Bruce Ohr as well.

All of whom were entrenched in the establishment for years before an outsider entered the arena and presented a threat to the established order. They diligently seemed to work to pre-exonorate one candidate they liked and prejudged another candidate they did not.
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Rosenstein was a Trump appointee... and he was the person who appointed Mueller.

Regardless... Mueller's investigation has led to indictments and/or guilty pleas from 34 individuals - are you suggesting that the crimes they were accused or convicted of shouldn't have been investigated?
 
mrdeltoid said:
They have no interest in justice. What they want is to use the report as free oppo - research. Even fusion GPS couldn't match the dirt dug up by the 25 million dollar investigation and 2 years of digging by 13 lawyers and hundreds of agents. That's all they want. I agree with the guy who said all Trump should do is point. The whole campaign trail, have a white board on each side of him. One side have a list of accomplishments: Tax cuts, low unemployment, destruction of the caliphate, cutting regulations, dialogue with NK, No missiles flying over Japan, embassy to Jerusalem and recognition as capitol, renegotiating NAFTA, standing up to NATO etc. On the other side the Mueller investigation. Say, "I accomplished this......while dealing with this...……..:2wave:
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Excellent take!!
 
humbolt said:
Probably be stale by then. Tell ya what...I'll bake a whole new batch when the report is released, and you can have a few then. But only if you're being have, as my children used to say. I'd say, "Behave", and they'd say, " We ARE being have."
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And that is most likely the intent. The supporters of Trump are intentionally misrepresenting the results of the Mueller Probe and by time they get corrected it will be old news and the narrative firmly established in the mind of the voter.
 
Cordelier said:
Rosenstein was a Trump appointee... and he was the person who appointed Mueller.

Regardless... Mueller's investigation has led to indictments and/or guilty pleas from 34 individuals - are you suggesting that the crimes they were accused or convicted of shouldn't have been investigated?
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How many of those "crimes" were related to russian collusion with the campaign...?

How many were process "crimes" created in the heat of the potentially illegal investigation?

How much of the "investigation" was a setup from the start?

I can only hope we will find out more answers.

Rosenstein recommended firing Comey just FYI....this sent democrats into an apoplectic seizure that still has not settled down even after the big reveal they wanted.
 
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Cordelier said:
Rosenstein was a Trump appointee... and he was the person who appointed Mueller.

Regardless... Mueller's investigation has led to indictments and/or guilty pleas from 34 individuals - are you suggesting that the crimes they were accused or convicted of shouldn't have been investigated?
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Rosenstein was in the DOJ LONG before Trump was POTUS, as were McCabe , Comey, Strzok, Page, Ohr, etc. and BRENNAN was at the CIA.


Try again.


Please LIST all those "Big Important Indictments", and let's see which are FOR COLLUSION W/RUSSIA, shall we?
 
haymarket said:
And that is most likely the intent. The supporters of Trump are intentionally misrepresenting the results of the Mueller Probe and by time they get corrected it will be old news and the narrative firmly established in the mind of the voter.
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What voters will likely think is that Trump was right - this was a waste of time, and the media can't be trusted to be truthful. Given the volume of data collected by Mueller, I do expect reviewing it to take some time, which is why I mentioned the State Dept's claim of years being required to review Hillary's stuff. Do you think State was stalling?
 
Grokmaster said:
Rosenstein was in the DOJ LONG before Trump was POTUS, as were McCabe , Comey, Strzok, Page, Ohr, etc. and BRENNAN was at the CIA.


Try again.


Please LIST all those "Big Important Indictments", and let's see which are FOR COLLUSION W/RUSSIA, shall we?
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Rosenstein became the longest-serving US attorney in history

Hes been around for quite some time. Well established. Seems like he got dragged into the light when Sessions poofed.
 
akyron said:
How many of those "crimes" were related to russian collusion with the campaign...?

How many were process "crimes" created in the heat of the potentially illegal investigation?

How much of the "investigation" was a setup from the start?

I can only hope we will find out more answers.

Rosenstein recommended firing Comey just FYI....this sent democrats into an apoplectic seizure that still has not settled down even after the big reveal they wanted.
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If you've got a problem with any of the indictments stemming from the Mueller investigation, then why not cite a specific one? Let's debate it out, and explore the nature of the charges.
 
Grokmaster said:
Rosenstein was in the DOJ LONG before Trump was POTUS, as were McCabe , Comey, Strzok, Page, Ohr, etc. and BRENNAN was at the CIA.


Try again.


Please LIST all those "Big Important Indictments", and let's see which are FOR COLLUSION W/RUSSIA, shall we?
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Rosenstein had been the US Attorney in Maryland (appointed by Bush) and was the longest-serving US Attorney in the nation when Trump was elected.... and then Trump promoted him to Deputy AG. Try again.
 
humbolt said:
What voters will likely think is that Trump was right - this was a waste of time, and the media can't be trusted to be truthful. Given the volume of data collected by Mueller, I do expect reviewing it to take some time, which is why I mentioned the State Dept's claim of years being required to review Hillary's stuff. Do you think State was stalling?
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Hillary is not the issue and never was the issue except to right wingers obsessed by her.

If that is the conclusion voters make next year, we have already lost out nation and the experiment is dying if not already on life support.
 
haymarket said:
Hillary is not the issue and never was the issue except to right wingers obsessed by her.

If that is the conclusion voters make next year, we have already lost out nation and the experiment is dying if not already on life support.
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You're avoiding the question I asked about the State Dept. review of her emails. So I'll ask again. Was the period of time State claim they required for that review a stall tactic?

I think the country is fine. A few corrupt people are likely going to jail, but I'm certain you agree that corrupt officials need to be held accountable.
 
humbolt said:
You're avoiding the question I asked about the State Dept. review of her emails. So I'll ask again. Was the period of time State claim they required for that review a stall tactic?

I think the country is fine. A few corrupt people are likely going to jail, but I'm certain you agree that corrupt officials need to be held accountable.
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Get this straight: I am not obsessed with Hillary Clinton like the right wing is so I don't give a wet fart about her.

If you still fail to get it - watch this

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haymarket said:
Get this straight: I am not obsessed with Hillary Clinton like the right wing is so I don't give a wet fart about her.

If you still fail to get it - watch this

YouTube
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I don't care how you feel about Hillary. The subject of my question referred to a State Dept. review. I know you're upset that your dreams have been squashed like a cockroach on Podesta's kitchen counter, but try to focus a little. Was the State Dept's originally stated required review time a stall tactic?
 
humbolt said:
I don't care how you feel about Hillary. The subject of my question referred to a State Dept. review. I know you're upset that your dreams have been squashed like a cockroach on Podesta's kitchen counter, but try to focus a little. Was the State Dept's originally stated required review time a stall tactic?
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haymarket said:
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Yeah, I got that you can't justify your position. I'm not surprised. I suppose having this outcome after losing in 2016 is a little much. But take heart. You still have AOC, Warren, and Beto. I'd throw in Avennatti, but he looks like he might be a scratch after today.
 
humbolt said:
Yeah, I got that you can't justify your position. I'm not surprised. I suppose having this outcome after losing in 2016 is a little much. But take heart. You still have AOC, Warren, and Beto. I'd throw in Avennatti, but he looks like he might be a scratch after today.
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Fletch said:
Now that Trump has been vindicated and Mueller has found zero evidence of collusion, conspiracy or coordination with Russia from anyone on the Trump team, how do you feel about the people who have pushed this phony story for the last two+ years? Do you still believe them? Will you still watch their shows? Will you still buy the next leaked story from 'unnamed sources close to the investigation?'
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I'll watch them just to see how many contortions they have to perform, to make it seem like they were really right despite being wrong.

Same as with Kavanaugh. "Sentence first, evidence-- who cares?"
 
Fletch said:
Now that Trump has been vindicated and Mueller has found zero evidence of collusion, conspiracy or coordination with Russia from anyone on the Trump team, how do you feel about the people who have pushed this phony story for the last two+ years? Do you still believe them? Will you still watch their shows? Will you still buy the next leaked story from 'unnamed sources close to the investigation?'
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I detest them.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.

Anyone with integrity would agree with me...
 
Slyfox696 said:
No, he did not. Do not post lies. I have covered this numerous times in this thread and others.

Mueller found and noted numerous pieces of evidence of collusion.
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You may suffer from the new Trutherism-Collusion if you believe the Mueller report concluded that there was evidence of collusion.
 
trixare4kids said:
Isn't this pathetic that the same some who scolded Republicans for undermining the RULE OF LAW are doing the same?

Hypocrites.
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Read Attorney General Barr's letter to Congress on the Mueller report conclusions - Chicago Tribune

The Special Counsel’s investigation determined that there were two main Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election. The first involved attempts by a Russian organization, the Internet Research Agency (IRA), to conduct disinformation and social media operations in the United States designed to sow social discord, eventually with the aim of interfering with the election. As noted above, the Special Counsel did not find that any U.S. person or Trump campaign official or associate conspired or knowingly coordinated with the IRA in its efforts, although the Special Counsel brought criminal charges against a number of Russian nationals and entities in connection with these activities.

The second element involved the Russian government’s efforts to conduct computer hacking operations designed to gather and disseminate information to influence the election. The Special Counsel found that Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained emails from persons associated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organizations, and publicly disseminated those materials through various intermediaries, including WikiLeaks. Based on these activities, the Special Counsel brought criminal charges against a number of Russian military officers for conspiring to hack into computers in the United States for the purposes of influencing the election. But as noted above, the Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.

Roseann:)
 
Fletch said:
See sig below...
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I don't have sigs turned on. Feel free to acknowledge the truth or continue posting the lies.
Athanasius68 said:
Mueller was trying to determine if Trump & Co. coordinated with Russia in it's efforts to screw with the 2016 election.
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And we know for a fact Mueller has said numerous members of the campaign did. So...

And Mueller said they didn't.
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This is a lie. Barr's summary of Mueller's report said on two very narrow and specific potential criminal charges, there was not enough evidence to establish.

That is completely different from what you just said.

Not only that, but there is no evidence to suggest the contrary.
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Except for all the people who have been indicted for colluding...

Seriously, do you ever post anything which is remotely factual?

By all means, release the Mueller report.
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Then we can agree on that.

But also release the information about which the government had to justify an investigation to begin with.
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It already has been. Pay attention to the news.
Grokmaster said:
All BULL****..ALL DEBUNKED by MUELLER.
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Oh look, it is Grokmaster posting propaganda which is a lie. I'm shocked.

Mueller has explicitly said numerous members of the campaign colluded. It is in the numerous indictments. You can be honest and acknowledge that or lie. Your choice.

"NO EVIDENCE" that Trump, any member of his family or campaign, cooperated with Russia to try to affect the election
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That is not at all what Barr's summary of Mueller's report said. As I've already told you. If you don't remember why, read what I just said to the previous poster.
trixare4kids said:
You may suffer from the new Trutherism-Collusion if you believe the Mueller report concluded that there was evidence of collusion.
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The indictments of PapaD, Flynn, Stone, Cohen and Manafort's lost cooperation agreement all show that Mueller found collusion. It is utterly dishonest to ignore all the evidence because you don't like it.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I don't have sigs turned on. Feel free to acknowledge the truth or continue posting the lies.
And we know for a fact Mueller has said numerous members of the campaign did. So...

This is a lie. Barr's summary of Mueller's report said on two very narrow and specific potential criminal charges, there was not enough evidence to establish.

That is completely different from what you just said.

Except for all the people who have been indicted for colluding...

Seriously, do you ever post anything which is remotely factual?

Then we can agree on that.

It already has been. Pay attention to the news.
Oh look, it is Grokmaster posting propaganda which is a lie. I'm shocked.

Mueller has explicitly said numerous members of the campaign colluded. It is in the numerous indictments. You can be honest and acknowledge that or lie. Your choice.

That is not at all what Barr's summary of Mueller's report said. As I've already told you. If you don't remember why, read what I just said to the previous poster.
The indictments of PapaD, Flynn, Stone, Cohen and Manafort's lost cooperation agreement all show that Mueller found collusion. It is utterly dishonest to ignore all the evidence because you don't like it.
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It is far more dishonest to makeup TOTAL BULL**** like you just did, and then try to pretend it's true.
 
Grokmaster said:
It is far more dishonest to makeup TOTAL BULL**** like you just did, and then try to pretend it's true.
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Everything I said is true. It is your posts which contain propaganda.
 
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