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Dear Collusionistas

BuzzwordBingo said:
Because they are not obligated to do so under the statute that guided them. There will be classified information, at the minimum, that will never be released. The dems will protest and use this as their talking points as they flail away trying to win the next election.
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There are Democrats with TOP SECRET clearances that are perfectly capable of analyzing the Mueller report. I think the Republicans and the Democrats will do their best to win the next election.
 
Fletch said:
Now that Trump has been vindicated and Mueller has found zero evidence of collusion, conspiracy or coordination with Russia from anyone on the Trump team, how do you feel about the people who have pushed this phony story for the last two+ years? Do you still believe them? Will you still watch their shows? Will you still buy the next leaked story from 'unnamed sources close to the investigation?'
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Of course they will. And, we've got six more House investigations plus the SDNY. Those investigations aren't over yet. Be patient. It's right around the corner.
 
humbolt said:
Odd. You believe it advances yours.
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That makes no sense as my position is firmly grounded in reality.... all I want is the Mueller report to read for myself.
 
Irwin Corey said:
Why not?
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For one thing, FISA is a large part of the investigation, which means it goes back to Obama and Co.
No matter how much illegal **** they did, it would expose the abuse in our national security.
 
Barnacle said:
For one thing, FISA is a large part of the investigation, which means it goes back to Obama and Co.
No matter how much illegal **** they did, it would expose the abuse in our national security.
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My post asked "why not" with regard to full disclosure of the Muller report. So, if in red, you are saying "No matter how much illegal **** they the trump campain did, it (not) would expose the abuse in our national security"?
If you are I agree.
 
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haymarket said:
Until we read the entire report and have access to all the evidence that went into it, we cannot make this decision that the right wing has rushed to judgment with.
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:lamo rushed to judgement. Mueller spent two years looking into collusion and found none. No one has been charged with working with the Russians in any way during the 2016 election and no one will be. Collusion didnt happen. It didnt happen, haymarket. It was a lie and you fell for it. You should be pised at the people who have been lying to you for the last two years but you arent. You are going to continue to parrot their lies because you cannot accept the idea of Trumps innocence. Its Collusion Trutherism and you will never surrender your membership.
 
apdst said:
Because there are laws that prevent the release of the full report.
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Really, which laws prevent the release of the report to Congress?
 
haymarket said:
A request so ridiculous that a unanimous House of Representatives made the same request .
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That non-binding resolution was political theater.

They all know that the full, unredacted, unedited report won't be released. Even the stupid ones like Cortez know it won't happen.
 
Irwin Corey said:
Really, which laws prevent the release of the report to Congress?
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The 4th and 5th Amendments, along with the Espionage Act, for starters.

It's also illegal to release grand jury testimony.
 
haymarket said:
Until we read the entire report and have access to all the evidence that went into it, we cannot make this decision that the right wing has rushed to judgment with.
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Yeah...the report will be COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

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Fletch said:
Now that Trump has been vindicated and Mueller has found zero evidence of collusion, conspiracy or coordination with Russia from anyone on the Trump team
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You are completely misrepresenting Barr's letter. I am not surprised.

Barr's letter ONLY addressed conspiracy with the IRA or with the hackers themselves. Trump was never accused of that. From Mueller's indictments and sentencing memos we know numerous people colluded with the Russian government and/or its assets (not to mention Trump Jr.s' emails).

Obviously I do not think you are not concerned with the truth, but that is the truth.
rocket88 said:
I accept that there wasn't enough evidence to conclude Trump did anything wrong, but let's not pretend like conservatives are any different.
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That is not what Barr said in his summary.

Trump has been accused of A, B and C. Barr said Trump did not do D and E. Read it carefully.
Fletch said:
Mueller spent two years looking into collusion and found none.
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This is a lie, as I have repeatedly pointed out to you. The fact you are still spreading this lie is quite telling.
 
Fletch said:
:lamo rushed to judgement. Mueller spent two years looking into collusion and found none. No one has been charged with working with the Russians in any way during the 2016 election and no one will be. Collusion didnt happen. It didnt happen, haymarket. It was a lie and you fell for it. You should be pised at the people who have been lying to you for the last two years but you arent. You are going to continue to parrot their lies because you cannot accept the idea of Trumps innocence. Its Collusion Trutherism and you will never surrender your membership.
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That Russia tried to and did interfere with our Presidential Election in 2016 is an accepted FACT! Who is lamo that rushed to judgment? Most AmeriCANs "I" know only ever wanted to know the truth about our elections being medaled with and whom was involved. I think Robert Mueller did an exemplary job, he found a web of criminal activity which has been or is being prosecuted; mostly successfully. He kept the investigation discreet in spite of all efforts to the contrary. He stood up to and did not bend to criticism from anyone including the president. NO ONE "LIED" to me. We were told that Russia attempted to sway our election and that is absolutely true.

Frankly, and I said this months ago, the Mueller investigation would NEVER have been initiated had president tRump not fired Comey; though there is not way to know for sure know I firmly believe that. Trump and his election committee were included in the investigation NOT because of any pressure from the left but because of all the stupid **** and apparent quilt ridden reactions he and his campaign made from the moment he was informed that there was evidence that Russia involved themselves in our election; IE. when he was first informed of the likely involvement of Russia in the election tRump didn't respond, as an innocent person normally would, with outrage and a desire to find out who, how, what and why so that it could be stopped and punished if possible. Their first reaction was "Well WE weren't involved; at that point no one was accusing them of anything; and it went down hill from there.

Mueller's investigation was never a "witch hunt", tRump made himself look guilty with everything he did and his every reaction.
 
Fletch said:
:lamo rushed to judgement. Mueller spent two years looking into collusion and found none. No one has been charged with working with the Russians in any way during the 2016 election and no one will be. Collusion didnt happen. It didnt happen, haymarket. It was a lie and you fell for it. You should be pised at the people who have been lying to you for the last two years but you arent. You are going to continue to parrot their lies because you cannot accept the idea of Trumps innocence. Its Collusion Trutherism and you will never surrender your membership.
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From what page of the Muller Report are you quoting?
 
apdst said:
That non-binding resolution was political theater.

They all know that the full, unredacted, unedited report won't be released. Even the stupid ones like Cortez know it won't happen.
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A unanimous vote from the House says otherwise.
 
apdst said:
The 4th and 5th Amendments, along with the Espionage Act, for starters.

It's also illegal to release grand jury testimony.
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I don't think the 4th and 5th would preclude appropriate Congressmen from seeing it; IF that defense was attempted it wouldn't hold in the Supreme Court IF it made it that far.

I. Disclosure to Congress: An open door
Congress could likely subpoena the grand jury evidence

How Mueller Can Make the Grand Jury Report Public or Hand it to Congress - Just Security
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Two years, 3.2 million dollars, 2,800 subpoenas issued and 500 witness interviews conducted - stick a fork in it, it's done.
 
Sabre said:
Two years, 3.2 million dollars, 2,800 subpoenas issued and 500 witness interviews conducted - stick a fork in it, it's done.
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It'll be done when the full Mueller report is released.
 
Irwin Corey said:
I don't think the 4th and 5th would preclude appropriate Congressmen from seeing it; IF that defense was attempted it wouldn't hold in the Supreme Court IF it made it that far.
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That isn't what you're calling for. You want the full public release of the report.
 
Fletch said:
Now that Trump has been vindicated and Mueller has found zero evidence of collusion, conspiracy or coordination with Russia from anyone on the Trump team, how do you feel about the people who have pushed this phony story for the last two+ years? Do you still believe them? Will you still watch their shows? Will you still buy the next leaked story from 'unnamed sources close to the investigation?'
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Mueller found that Trump did not conspire, not that he did not collude. In other words his cooperation with Russians did not
reach a level of criminality. There is plenty evidence of collusion.
 
Fletch said:
Now that Trump has been vindicated and Mueller has found zero evidence of collusion, conspiracy or coordination with Russia from anyone on the Trump team, how do you feel about the people who have pushed this phony story for the last two+ years? Do you still believe them? Will you still watch their shows? Will you still buy the next leaked story from 'unnamed sources close to the investigation?'
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Does Barr's letter explain why Trump and all of his associates lied about their Russian connections 100% of the time?
 
haymarket said:
A unanimous vote from the House says otherwise.
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No, it doesn't. Barr and all the alphabet agencies have a say in what's released, and Trump (gasp!) does as well. That reality will probably curdle your milk. Barr exclusively will make the decision regarding any release of grand jury testimony, and if he should decide to do so, that will only happen after said alphabet agencies have redacted whatever they feel necessary. You'd best lay in a lot of supplies because you have a long wait. Coffee, bacon, beans.... How long did the State Dept.say they needed to review Hillary's emails again?
 
JackA said:
Mueller found that Trump did not conspire, not that he did not collude. In other words his cooperation with Russians did not
reach a level of criminality. There is plenty evidence of collusion.
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That's some hellacious goalpost moving. :lamo
 
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