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Which media outlets were pitching collusion?

Airyaman said:
This is all false. The dossier was not used to initiate the investigation against Trump in regards to Russia.

What started the Trump-Russia investigation? Not the Steele Dossier as Trump claims - U.S. News - Haaretz.com

As for the public realm, Buzzfeed was not the first to cover Trump and Russia.

Donald Trump'''s Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia | Time
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.483e9a511ae1
Donald Trump and Russia: a web that grows more tangled all the time | US news | The Guardian
Is Trump a Russian Stooge? – Foreign Policy
https://www.politico.eu/article/don...ections-foreign-policy-presidential-campaign/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-russia-idUSKCN10G1NT
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/07/27/cbs4-news-exclusive-trump-denies-ties-to-russia/
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LOL one born every minute, thanks for providing links for things you say don't exist.
 
Airyaman said:
The "whataboutism" here is to show that you have actual hosts making bold claims without evidence on Fox. You don't see that on other networks. If you did, I would see some links in this thread. I've yet to see one where an MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, etc. host makes claims without evidence.

Feel free to prove me wrong.
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Feel free to not straw man.
 
OpportunityCost said:
LOL one born every minute, thanks for providing links for things you say don't exist.
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Do any of those allege proof of collusion or conspiracy between Trump & Russia? Post the text with the link.

TIA.
 
OpportunityCost said:
LOL one born every minute, thanks for providing links for things you say don't exist.
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Not too bright eh?

Let me try to use as few words as possible.

"Does Trump have ties to Russia? Here's what we've uncovered." <--- journalism
"Trump colluded with Russia, but I don't have any evidence" <--- what all the Trumpsters are claiming the media did

Now, I realize Trumpsters can't differentiate the two because it hurts their brains, but it is what it is.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Feel free to not straw man.
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^^ Obviously has no clue what "strawman" means.

You've seriously been doing this forum thing for at least 8 years? Did you spend 7 of those years posting cat pictures?
 
Airyaman said:
Not too bright eh?

Let me try to use as few words as possible.

"Does Trump have ties to Russia? Here's what we've uncovered." <--- journalism
"Trump colluded with Russia, but I don't have any evidence" <--- what all the Trumpsters are claiming the media did

Now, I realize Trumpsters can't differentiate the two because it hurts their brains, but it is what it is.
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Now, I realize you aren't worth the time of day because you cannot post without tossing insults.
 
Airyaman said:
^^ Obviously has no clue what "strawman" means.

You've seriously been doing this forum thing for at least 8 years? Did you spend 7 of those years posting cat pictures?
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Mind your manners. Post civilly. You might even get better replies.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Now, I realize you aren't worth the time of day because you cannot post without tossing insults.
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Because you have become tiresome.

But I'm glad the insults worked, I was wondering what I would have to do.
 
OpportunityCost said:


"Connections" with Russia. "Secret" meetings.​
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So? Those aren't even questioned, and they had nothing to do with Mueller's task. Are you trying to say there were no "Connections" or "Secret" meetings? Secret has a meaning in the context in question...​
 
Airyaman said:
I keep hearing this same refrain from the various Trump supporters out there, that the media blew it, that they were pushing a false narrative of collusion. But Rick Tyler and I seem to agree when we ask the question: who was doing this?

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Rick Tyler on Twitter: "Lots of outrage about the media so far but no links to a single story. Shouldn’t be hard. Just a link to a single story from a credible news source claiming a criminal conspiracy with Russians to win the 2016 election.… https://t.co/ktbAHn1Sp4"

Rick Tyler@rickwtyler

Lots of outrage about the media so far but no links to a single story. Shouldn't be hard. Just a link to a single story from a credible news source claiming a criminal conspiracy with Russians to win the 2016 election.

6:05 PM - 24 Mar 2019 from Manhattan, NY
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So help Rick and I out here: please provide a link to an article (not an opinion piece) from any moderately major to major news outlet that pushed this narrative.

Now, I'm not saying there isn't any. I'm just saying that in the 2 years of following this, I haven't seen any personally. Care to point me in the right direction?
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I don't care if they did say he colluded with the Russians. They've got so many Russia-related indictments and people going to jail over the issue that Trump's Earth has been thoroughly glassed from orbit. We might as well call what's left of Trump's administration "Tusken Raiders."
 
<alt>doxygen said:
So? Those aren't even questioned, and they had nothing to do with Mueller's task. Are you trying to say there were no "Connections" or "Secret" meetings? Secret has a meaning in the context in question...
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Emphasizing the secrecy rather than the intended outcome and not noting other administrations have done exactly the same thing is pushing an agenda, not facts.
 
Airyaman said:
Because you have become tiresome.

But I'm glad the insults worked, I was wondering what I would have to do.
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Make a substantial reply, you will get the same in return.
 
Airyaman said:
I keep hearing this same refrain from the various Trump supporters out there, that the media blew it, that they were pushing a false narrative of collusion. But Rick Tyler and I seem to agree when we ask the question: who was doing this?

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Rick Tyler on Twitter: "Lots of outrage about the media so far but no links to a single story. Shouldn’t be hard. Just a link to a single story from a credible news source claiming a criminal conspiracy with Russians to win the 2016 election.… https://t.co/ktbAHn1Sp4"

Rick Tyler@rickwtyler

Lots of outrage about the media so far but no links to a single story. Shouldn't be hard. Just a link to a single story from a credible news source claiming a criminal conspiracy with Russians to win the 2016 election.

6:05 PM - 24 Mar 2019 from Manhattan, NY
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I am not the first to notice this, but it is hilarious

"We

So help Rick and I out here: please provide a link to an article (not an opinion piece) from any moderately major to major news outlet that pushed this narrative.

Now, I'm not saying there isn't any. I'm just saying that in the 2 years of following this, I haven't seen any personally. Care to point me in the right direction?
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Airyaman said:
This is all false. The dossier was not used to initiate the investigation against Trump in regards to Russia.

What started the Trump-Russia investigation? Not the Steele Dossier as Trump claims - U.S. News - Haaretz.com

As for the public realm, Buzzfeed was not the first to cover Trump and Russia.

Donald Trump'''s Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia | Time
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.483e9a511ae1
Donald Trump and Russia: a web that grows more tangled all the time | US news | The Guardian
Is Trump a Russian Stooge? – Foreign Policy
https://www.politico.eu/article/don...ections-foreign-policy-presidential-campaign/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-russia-idUSKCN10G1NT
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/07/27/cbs4-news-exclusive-trump-denies-ties-to-russia/
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I am not the first to notice this, but it is hilarious that you start an OP with the leading contention that you have seen no evidence that the media was pushing the collusion issue, then you give us a list of media articles pushing the collusion issue. Did someone trick you into that? The Time article is just a silly meme, but perhaps I only see this because I am behind the pay wall. Fortunately the headlines of most of these sources are clear enough and one doesn't have to experience the frustration of trying to get through the flickering ads and video downloads encountered.

Furthermore, it is disingenuous to claim that it is not the media, but only the talking heads that they have on, that are promoting the collusion theory. CNN, MSNBC and even FoxNews bring in talking heads to attempt to legitimize their own editorial position. That is why you see Avenatti on CNN (that was surely a successful venture) and Giuliani on Fox.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Except that its the truth and acknowledged by the investigation as such. Your opinion isn't


False. He pitched the idea at a meeting and was dismissed. No one wanted to do what he was requesting. He told them what Misfud told him, which was not verified and could have been misinformation. Misfud needs to be investigated.



Horse****. Nothing Papadapolous could have done would have prevented investigation of Misfud. He had no power to direct their investigation.



The important word there is told. He told him that. You can verify that allegation you are making regarding the campaign?



It matters a great deal if Misfud was a plant. Just as it matters how every single information source other than Misfud has a relationship of some sort with the Clintons.
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Mifsud was an intel plant. From UK Intel or ex-Intel, if I'm not mistaken. The suspicion was that Brennen on one of his meetings with his UK Intel counterpart kicked that off. But Misfud couldn't deliver the goods, what they needed for the FISA warrant. Later, they had to get something for the FISA warrant, and all they had was the collection of rumors that Steele offered up, and which subsequently was forced fed into the US Federal LEO system from at least 3 different sources.

Yeah, this wasn't coordinated in the least. :roll:
 
Bullseye said:
You can say whatever you want, doesn't make it so.
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But he's factually correct. You are the guys lying and obfuscating.

Trump supporters are liars. Nothing they say can be taken seriously.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Here it is folks...the "no one claimed collusion" denial I predicted.
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Not based in reality. Being willfully obtuse.

The 'news' (political propaganda) media has been pushing Trump / Russian collusion ever since the idea was planted in their head. Wasn't the Hillary first issued this talking point? Yeah, I think it was.
 
CitizenBasehead said:
The left has been doing this for days. Idk if you're on twittard but lefties are finding anything they can to deny reality.
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Completely unsurprising, just as unsurprising as their now, or soon to be, pivot to imagined obstruction. The **** they have been throwing at the wall for over 2+ years has just fallen from that wall, so they are now looking for the next **** to throw at the wall to see if it sticks.

Same 'o same 'o from the Democrats. Also completely unsurprising.
 
A short two-minute video for those of you in the media pitifully insisting that no media reckoning is needed and journalists performed beautifully, soberly and responsibly throughout this whole saga:
 
apdst said:
Since the Mueller witch hunt debacle, Liberals are crawfishing to prevent themselves from looking stupid. :lamo
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Nothing could prevent the nut-job leftists from looking stupid. :)
 
Kobie said:
But he's factually correct. You are the guys lying and obfuscating.

Trump supporters are liars. Nothing they say can be taken seriously.
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So much demonization and stereotyping to portray absolutely nothing but hate. Anything to convey other than how much you need collusion to be true?
 
OpportunityCost said:
So much demonization and stereotyping to portray absolutely nothing but hate. Anything to convey other than how much you need collusion to be true?
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You're right. I hate Trump supporters with every cell of my being. Because you are all liars.
 
Kobie said:
You're right. I hate Trump supporters with every cell of my being. Because you are all liars.
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You need to justify your hate because you are incapable of rising above it. Pitiable.
 
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