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AOC about Trump after the Mueller debacle

Keridan said:
I agree with most of this. Obviously, I'd like the guy out and I'm pretty moderate in a lot of ways. I certainly know that those I interact with outside of here agree with me.

I'm just very afraid of that perfect storm. I see it building and I want to see if we can find any way to avoid it.
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What's important is for Dems to focus on healthcare, criminal justice reform, promotion of non aggressive foreign policy, etc, while pointing to Trump's empowerment of North Korea, child separation at the border, reckless government shutdowns, his alignment with Wall St, campaign and WH corruption, and horrid leadership to voters.

All the while, continue to hold oversight and investigations of Trump's WH and find the facts, whatever they might be.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
 
noonereal said:
1) Very mature and pragmatic. Totally opposite TRump.

2) It is a perfect storm in which Trump blows the destructive winds.

3) He could not be prosecuted, he is President. He is above the law.

4) This question is a logical fallacy so no one can answer unless they are a dolt.

5) No. If a radical like Pocahontas or Crazy Bernie are nominated, the suburbs will not support them and without the burbs, the Dems can't win.

6) Another fallacy but AOC is correct in saying that we should leave the investigations to Congress and the states where there is evidence of crime and worry about governing.

7) Trumpets only listen to Trump and what he will do, no one ever knows, even himself.

He i6s a sick bitch.
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You divided the crud out of my post and that is just fine. I hope you don't mind I respond in a different format. I find it much easier on this board.

1) No arguments here. That's why I shared the actual tweets.

2) Honest question, is he blowing the winds or following the trend? He likes to seem like he's leading the charge, but look at a long history of going where the winds blow.

3) He could not be properly prosecuted, but if there was sufficient evidence, it at least could have been a Bill Clinton situation.

4) Honestly not sure which fallacy you are referring to, but I was asking in the hypothetical. No one can properly predict the future.

5) I'm really really hoping we see a moderate with clout get into the game. So far, I'm not impressed.

6) Again, not sure what fallacy you are referring to, but I always think the courts should try the cases, on whatever level. Congress does have a duty to investigate, though. It's a mixed bag.

7) Opinions, but I do tend to agree with them.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm tellin' you man, Biden at the top (one term) to go for the moderate Midwesterners Trump needs, and Harris at the bottom to bring along the liberal wing. I believe this is the winning Dem ticket.
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Yes, that will bring all the Obama voters of past.

Trump would be massacred.
 
MrPeanut said:
I like AOC. I don't agree with all of her positions, but I'll never understand the weird right wing memes about her being an idiot. Trump didn't come out of nowhere. Trump is the embodiment of what Rush Limbaugh and Fox News have been working towards for decades. We have to figure out how the country can't even agree on reality before we can actually make any progress. It's a serious problem.
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A significant portion of the country thinks that beliefs matter more than facts, that critical thinking is dangerous, that science is the work of Satan, that reality TV is reality, that the legal system is based on being able to yell louder than some wussy libtard, that WWE is a real sport.

Idiocracy is now a documentary.

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Chomsky said:
I'm tellin' you man, Biden at the top (one term) to go for the moderate Midwesterners Trump needs, and Harris at the bottom to bring along the liberal wing. I believe this is the winning Dem ticket.
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Not my first choice, but I get it.
 
Bullseye said:
1) Mindless drivel comes to mind. An attempt to avoid address the facts.

2) Maligned, without doubt. I'll stipulate he's an asshole, a jerk, impatient and doesn't suffer fools lightly. He doesn't fit the Hollywood model of a suave, modest, President. He's a dick. But he's doing what he thinks is best, not what's politically correct, or pleasing to the public.

3) Only as damaging as the DEMS what to make it. They can move on and deal with the myriad real problems facing our country or they can continue they butt hurt temper tantrums and time wasting kabuki theater tactics.

4) Tell AOC to pay her taxes and admit to her election finance crimes and I'll consider listening to her.
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1) I won't call this mindless drivel, but I respect your right to disagree with her statements or assessment.

2) That's fair. I feel like he is playing a penis measurement game to be honest. I feel, on a regular basis, that what is best takes a back seat to his need to win. I totally admit this is an opinion based on my assessment and not a reflection of being next to him when he has to make the hard calls.

3) Both sides are guilty, but I will quickly admit that the left has been playing a pretty rough game of it the last couple years. In fact, it fits with my concerns that we spend so much time worrying about BS that he might spend more time in office just because the real issues get ignored. Hell, I might be wrong and he actually deserves that second term, but I can't see through the fog of feces anymore.

4) I'm still waiting for evidence to follow on the complaints of her campaign. She may be naive and have some crazy ideas, but I just have trouble seeing her as some greedy, hand-rubbing opportunist who siphoned money off. I'd be okay being proven wrong or right, but we just don't have a whole lot of proof she knew what was going on and was complacent with it.
 
Chomsky said:
Yeah, I'm torn on her myself. She's an easy target for the Right, that's for sure, and being a fairly moderate Dem I think she occasionally hurts us. But I want the Dems to really have a "big tent, so I'm glad we've got her and can go over the spectrum to guys like Connor Lamb too, whom I very much like.

But I will say that despite some of Ocasio-Cortez' goofy stuff, she showed some real intelligence and skills with these Tweets you posted. They're definitely 'A' grade material!
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I wouldn't have shared the tweets if I thought they were a chance to mock her. She is on the right tract in this instance. Of course, that never makes front page.

I will give her this, no one knows quite what to make of her day to day. She's not boring.
 
Keridan said:
AOC has moved on. She is quoting George Tekai for part of this, but she is ready to make sure this one huge loss for the opposition is not a loss for the general discussion coming in several months. What do you think of her comments?

Is Trump the problem, or the symptom? Is he maligned or a symbol of what is wrong?

My bigger question is how damaging it is that Trump wasn't prosecuted after millions of dollars, years of investigation, etc? Will he get another 4 years because all the chips were thrown on the table with no real info in this investigation? Will he be ousted by the crazies being put up against him on the left end of the ticket?

AOC wants us to move on from this huge win for Trump. Will the American public agree?
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Trump is definitely a symptom imo.

It is clear that he accurately represents the morals and principles of his base. His campaign strategy is designed to attract people exactly like him, and it works wonders with his base.
 
MovingPictures said:
What's important is for Dems to focus on healthcare, criminal justice reform, promotion of non aggressive foreign policy, etc, while pointing to Trump's empowerment of North Korea, child separation at the border, reckless government shutdowns, his alignment with Wall St, campaign and WH corruption, and horrid leadership to voters.

All the while, continue to hold oversight and investigations of Trump's WH and find the facts, whatever they might be.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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Nothing wrong with the goals you posted here. However, I do feel like we are headed into another show of slaughtering your own kind to get on top and not real movement towards reasonable goals. I hope I'm wrong. I need someone to vote for this time.
 
MovingPictures said:
Yes, that will bring all the Obama voters of past.

Trump would be massacred.
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I think so, if they can bring the Lefties along.

They've got to get a Lefty on the ticket, and convince the Lefties that Joe will bring them along into the White House, positioned to inherit it if they can remain patient for another term. If that Lefty is a women, all the better. If she's a minority women, even better!

(plus I personally like Harris)
 
MovingPictures said:
What gets the man another term is another perfect storm of weak Democrats, and obsessing on what jerk-off the guy is, rather than what an awful president he turned out to be, and how in over his head he is.

Independent moderates don't like the man, that's not going to change. So long as that trend continues, it will be very difficult for him to gain a second term.
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I don't think their is any question the Russians will be working hard for Trump again, they gained immeasurably from Trump's first term, and obviously they would love a second Trump term. We're going to have to wait and see what they bring to the table, and I'm sure it will be substantial as they work to get their man re-elected..
 
Keridan said:
1) I won't call this mindless drivel, but I respect your right to disagree with her statements or assessment.

2) That's fair. I feel like he is playing a penis measurement game to be honest. I feel, on a regular basis, that what is best takes a back seat to his need to win. I totally admit this is an opinion based on my assessment and not a reflection of being next to him when he has to make the hard calls.

3) Both sides are guilty, but I will quickly admit that the left has been playing a pretty rough game of it the last couple years. In fact, it fits with my concerns that we spend so much time worrying about BS that he might spend more time in office just because the real issues get ignored. Hell, I might be wrong and he actually deserves that second term, but I can't see through the fog of feces anymore.

4) I'm still waiting for evidence to follow on the complaints of her campaign. She may be naive and have some crazy ideas, but I just have trouble seeing her as some greedy, hand-rubbing opportunist who siphoned money off. I'd be okay being proven wrong or right, but we just don't have a whole lot of proof she knew what was going on and was complacent with it.
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1) Noted.

2) LOL, I disagree. At least for the huge majority of times I think he's taking the course best for the country.

3) Agree. I just made a similar point on another thread.

4) not sure what comprises evidence for you, but her problem with paying business taxes on a publishing business she founded several years ago has been documented in several places. Her election violations comprise founding multiple PAC without proper documentation and illegal transfers of funds. Neither has been widely publicized on MSM sources.
 
Keridan said:
I wouldn't have shared the tweets if I thought they were a chance to mock her. She is on the right tract in this instance. Of course, that never makes front page.

I will give her this, no one knows quite what to make of her day to day. She's not boring.
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Yep. A fun friend to go to a party with, but maybe not so much in a relationship! :mrgreen:
 
Chomsky said:
Ah, Twitter. Understood; I'm not sure if Twitter can easily be linked here, but thanks for the effort! :thumbs:
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Go to the date and time for each Tweet and copy the link or click it and copy the link in the URL box above.
 
Chomsky said:
And your first choice is? Bernie? Warren? Someone else?
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Warren or Harris, and I was definitely getting to like Buttigieg. But there's no ignoring the national climate, which is consistently showing Biden at the top of the heap in every poll.

If that's how it's got to be then that's how it's got to be.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Idiocracy is now a documentary.
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Interesting. I was discussing politics with some people this morning, and that was the conclusion. Imagine, top staffer after top staffer charged, indicted, or convicted, on tape bragging about firing Comey to take the pressure off, on tape asking for the emails to be released. But FOX News ignores it all, "spikes the ball" based on a report they haven't read, and the base eats it up.

Trump is such an accurate representative of his bases morals and principles, it's uncanny.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I've been saying all along, since 2016, that Trump is the symptom of a much larger problem.
One third of Americans cannot tell the difference between reality and reality tee vee. They actually think The Apprentice is an example of Trump's business acumen.

When society starts worshipping mortals as if they are "gods who walk the Earth", there is no path except the one that leads to destruction. And the first casualty besides education and critical thinking, is democracy itself.

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So you see, the problem isn't Trump. Trump is only the symptom.
We could eliminate a hundred Donald Trumps and remove his entire crew from power, and we would still have MILLIONS of fundamentalist zombies roaming the countryside anyway.
It's not Trump that's going to end this country, it's the people who think like this that will end America as we knew it.
They will welcome ANY "strongman" and sit back and applaud while the strongman tears the fabric of democracy asunder, because they're hostile the concept of republican constitutional democracy itself.
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As long as you people keep pushing your communist agenda, we'll keep pushing back.

President Trump's election is a response to that communist agenda.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm tellin' you man, Biden at the top (one term) to go for the moderate Midwesterners Trump needs, and Harris at the bottom to bring along the liberal wing. I believe this is the winning Dem ticket.
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I would like to see something, just some kind of proof that "Uncle Joe" has evolved from his "Republican Lite" past, the past that enabled him to champion private prisons, student debt, three strikes, mass incarceration, pot wars, Anita Hill, etc.

I want to hear what he has to say about the issues but I am not interested in the Joe Biden of the 90's or the Joe Biden of the Obama era.
 
Cardinal said:
Warren or Harris, and I was definitely getting to like Buttigieg. But there's no ignoring the national climate, which is consistently showing Biden at the top of the heap in every poll.

If that's how it's got to be then that's how it's got to be.
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He'll lose after calling the president's supporters the dregs of the earth.
 
trixare4kids said:
He'll lose after calling the president's supporters the dregs of the earth.
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I could be wrong and I may have missed something, but I'm not aware of that being in his character.
 
apdst said:
As long as you people keep pushing your communist agenda, we'll keep pushing back.

President Trump's election is a response to that communist agenda.
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He's also a response to what we've seen since the summer of 2016, when the leftist commie media and the Democrooks started the rumors that Trump was a Putin bot.
Today we have seen Trump drain that swamp.

What a victory for our country.
 
Bullseye said:
1) Noted.

2) LOL, I disagree. At least for the huge majority of times I think he's taking the course best for the country.

3) Agree. I just made a similar point on another thread.

4) not sure what comprises evidence for you, but her problem with paying business taxes on a publishing business she founded several years ago has been documented in several places. Her election violations comprise founding multiple PAC without proper documentation and illegal transfers of funds. Neither has been widely publicized on MSM sources.
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2) Okay. We have to both admit this one is opinion without foreknowledge. I'm okay with you disagreeing with me.

4) I've read the stuff about this. I'm not sure how I feel when it's a report and not an investigation. I certainly think any complaints like this should be properly looked into. I just honestly believe it will end up being she got taken advantage of. Until further information is available, I'm not sure we come to a compromise.
 
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