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Trump's Not in the Clear Yet

calamity said:
All the giddiness of the Right on social media seems to have deflated over the past few hours. And, now I know why.

Investigations will continue despite submission of the Mueller report




It looks like Mueller outsourced the heavy lifting. :lol:
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Democrats are not done turning over every rock in an effort to find a crime Trump might have committed. In civilized societies that is called a witch hunt, where the search for a crime comes first before any evidence of any crime has ever surfaced.

Democrats are evil. They will not investigate real crimes committed by democrats but they will waste tens of millions of tax dollars searching in vain for something they can use against a republican for political advantage in the 2020 election.
 
marke said:
Democrats are not done turning over every rock in an effort to find a crime Trump might have committed. In civilized societies that is called a witch hunt, where the search for a crime comes first before any evidence of any crime has ever surfaced.

Democrats are evil. They will not investigate real crimes committed by democrats but they will waste tens of millions of tax dollars searching in vain for something they can use against a republican for political advantage in the 2020 election.
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Yep...they are in FULL MELTDOWN MODE , now...



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ObamacareFail said:
I read the Barr Summary. It also says that the Mueller investigation did not conclude that Trump obstructed justice. Any further consideration on that would be up to the Justice Department. Good luck with that. And it absolutely was a witch hunt as it all began over attempted frame up by way of a phony dossier and abuse of the FISA courts.
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When your closest advisors are concealing business with a foreign government on your behalf, is it not a witch hunt. Just because it can't be proven in a court of law that Trump was aware of the actions of his closest friends on his behalf doesn't mean that it is rational to conclude that he was an innocent bystander as crimes that benefited him were being committed all around him.

Is it possible that Trump was completely unaware of the actions of his advisors? Yes, remotely. Is it in any way likely? Of course not.
 
lwf said:
When your closest advisors are concealing business with a foreign government on your behalf, is it not a witch hunt. Just because it can't be proven in a court of law that Trump was aware of the actions of his closest friends on his behalf doesn't mean that it is rational to conclude that he was an innocent bystander as crimes that benefited him were being committed all around him.

Is it possible that Trump was completely unaware of the actions of his advisors? Yes, remotely. Is it in any way likely? Of course not.
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I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and point out that I think its more likely than you think, and I'll use a recent example for proof.

I'm almost positive that GWB wasn't really aware how badly President Cheney was ****ing his legacy for the 8 years of his presidency. The same thing that made him someone I would sit down with for a beer made him susceptible to being terribly played.

That said, my reason for thinking that Trump could have been played isn't the same, as I don't think he is good hearted by by nature. I think that he is so beholden the idea he is the smartest man on earth that he too can be played by those around him trying to curry favor. Its all a matter of how much risk one of his subordinates was willing to undertake to do something for the bossman.
 
calamity said:
I'm celebrating the "End of the GOP Day"
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There is coming a day which some have likened to the words to Don McLean's "American Pie" song, "The Father, Son and Holy Ghost took the last train to the coast." Jesus has promised to come and take His people out of this world before pouring out His wrath on all His enemies left behind. Democrats and republicans had better hope they have made peace with God before then.
 
lwf said:
When your closest advisors are concealing business with a foreign government on your behalf, is it not a witch hunt. Just because it can't be proven in a court of law that Trump was aware of the actions of his closest friends on his behalf doesn't mean that it is rational to conclude that he was an innocent bystander as crimes that benefited him were being committed all around him.

Is it possible that Trump was completely unaware of the actions of his advisors? Yes, remotely. Is it in any way likely? Of course not.
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The Russian collusion hoax is over. Get over it and move on. Continued obsession with the hoax is unhealthy.

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marke said:
Democrats are not done turning over every rock in an effort to find a crime Trump might have committed. In civilized societies that is called a witch hunt, where the search for a crime comes first before any evidence of any crime has ever surfaced.

Democrats are evil. They will not investigate real crimes committed by democrats but they will waste tens of millions of tax dollars searching in vain for something they can use against a republican for political advantage in the 2020 election.
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It's Soviet tactics. Ironic, huh?

Lavrentiy Beria, the most ruthless and longest-serving secret police chief in Joseph Stalin’s reign of terror in Russia and Eastern Europe, bragged that he could prove criminal conduct on anyone, even the innocent.

“Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime” was Beria’s infamous boast. He served as deputy premier from 1941 until Stalin’s death in 1953, supervising the expansion of the gulags and other secret detention facilities for political prisoners. He became part of a post-Stalin, short-lived ruling troika until he was executed for treason after Nikita Khrushchev’s coup d’etat in 1953.

Beria targeted “the man” first, then proceeded to find or fabricate a crime. Beria’s modus operandi was to presume the man guilty, and fill in the blanks later. By contrast, under the United States Constitution, there’s a presumption of innocence that emanates from the 5th, 6th, and 14th Amendments, as set forth in Coffin vs. U.S. (1895).
 
Acadia said:
It's Soviet tactics. Ironic, huh?

Lavrentiy Beria, the most ruthless and longest-serving secret police chief in Joseph Stalin’s reign of terror in Russia and Eastern Europe, bragged that he could prove criminal conduct on anyone, even the innocent.

“Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime” was Beria’s infamous boast. He served as deputy premier from 1941 until Stalin’s death in 1953, supervising the expansion of the gulags and other secret detention facilities for political prisoners. He became part of a post-Stalin, short-lived ruling troika until he was executed for treason after Nikita Khrushchev’s coup d’etat in 1953.

Beria targeted “the man” first, then proceeded to find or fabricate a crime. Beria’s modus operandi was to presume the man guilty, and fill in the blanks later. By contrast, under the United States Constitution, there’s a presumption of innocence that emanates from the 5th, 6th, and 14th Amendments, as set forth in Coffin vs. U.S. (1895).
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Well said. Democrats have a history of collusion with Russia and adoption of Russia's evil tactics, all while claiming it is Trump who is in Putin's pocket. The liars have no shame.
 
If the muelller report clears Trumpty, why are the Republicans hiding it?
 
calamity said:
All the giddiness of the Right on social media seems to have deflated over the past few hours. And, now I know why.

Investigations will continue despite submission of the Mueller report




It looks like Mueller outsourced the heavy lifting. :lol:
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Hey, the investigations aren't over yet. It's right around the corner. Be patient. Don't you even realize that your nonsense posts actually drive independents and moderates over to Trump instead of away from him? When are you going to get a clue?
 
calamity said:
If the muelller report clears Trumpty, why are the Republicans hiding it?
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You are ofcourse making that up as you go along, as usual. The Mueller report is being handled in exactly the same manner as all previous special counsel reports have been. It's not legal to release the entire 500 page report two days after it was submitted. And you will never see the entire report as it's not legal release Grand Jury testimony or classified information. Like any other SP report, classified info will be redacted.
 
Carleen said:
Trump has not be exonerated which means he has not been cleared of accusation or blame, so it goes on I guess.
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No, actually not. Mueller exonerated Trump on the Collusion nonsense and left Obstruction of Justice up to the Justice Depart to pursue or not pursue. AG Barr and Asst AG Rosenstein concluded that there was not enough evidence to charge Trump on obstruction of Justice and declined to do so. It's over. If the democrats want to continue their dog and pony show, they will do so at their own political peril.
 
ObamacareFail said:
No, actually not. Mueller exonerated Trump on the Collusion nonsense and left Obstruction of Justice up to the Justice Depart to pursue or not pursue. AG Barr and Asst AG Rosenstein concluded that there was not enough evidence to charge Trump on obstruction of Justice and declined to do so. It's over. If the democrats want to continue their dog and pony show, they will do so at their own political peril.
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If Mueller exonerated Trump, then you should demand the full report be released. I'll wait for you to make that argument.
 
ObamacareFail said:
No, actually not. Mueller exonerated Trump on the Collusion nonsense and left Obstruction of Justice up to the Justice Depart to pursue or not pursue. AG Barr and Asst AG Rosenstein concluded that there was not enough evidence to charge Trump on obstruction of Justice and declined to do so. It's over. If the democrats want to continue their dog and pony show, they will do so at their own political peril.
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If we see the whole report then we will know for sure.
 
GDViking said:
Really who went to jail???

Sound familiar?
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Lots of people who commit crimes don't go to jail.

Hillary had a guardian angel.
 
lwf said:
When your closest advisors are concealing business with a foreign government on your behalf, is it not a witch hunt. Just because it can't be proven in a court of law that Trump was aware of the actions of his closest friends on his behalf doesn't mean that it is rational to conclude that he was an innocent bystander as crimes that benefited him were being committed all around him.

Is it possible that Trump was completely unaware of the actions of his advisors? Yes, remotely. Is it in any way likely? Of course not.
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Exactly, I suspect when we see the report we will find collusion could not be proven only because Russia covered their side tracks well enough.

The trail clearly leads through trumps people directly to Russia, however the trail gets a lot more difficult to follow. A couple people went missing and or died that may have been key.

What we do know is that Russia set out to get trump elected, they succeeded and Putin stood on stage with trump and celebrated helping trump get into office.

This is going to go down in history as the united States first big loss in cyber warfare...
 
marke said:
There is coming a day which some have likened to the words to Don McLean's "American Pie" song, "The Father, Son and Holy Ghost took the last train to the coast." Jesus has promised to come and take His people out of this world before pouring out His wrath on all His enemies left behind. Democrats and republicans had better hope they have made peace with God before then.
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Yeah well I stopped fearing the "wrath of God" the same day I quit worrying about getting on Santa's naughty list...
 
Mycroft said:
Lots of people who commit crimes don't go to jail.

Hillary had a guardian angel.
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Oh so now back to speaking of trump, although when everything is said and done I would be willing to bet that dying will be the only thing that keeps trump from being the first American president from doing time...
 
GDViking said:
Yeah well I stopped fearing the "wrath of God" the same day I quit worrying about getting on Santa's naughty list...
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I know; right?
 
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