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Democrats------------oh please do subpoena Mueller

eohrnberger said:
Sure, one can hope.

But since the focus of Mueller's investigation was Trump / Russian collusion to throw the election, and not DNC and / or Hillary's many contacts with the Russians, which does in fact exist and some of which are questionable on that same level, but I rather doubt it.
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The order appointing Mueller by Rosenstein states Mueller investigates Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election. Mueller took over the FBI's counter intelligence investigation. The FBI knowing where Steele got his dossier info, from Russian contacts, it stands to reason that Mueller should have investigated that lead also.
 
Moderate Right said:
Ummmmmmmm. Mueller found no evidence against Trump. No mounds. Not even one mound. Please try to keep up.
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Report hasn't been released. You're premature. "no indictments" might be because of the fact that DOJ policy is not to indict the prez,
that doesn't mean what they have would not have resulted in an indictment,. nor does it mean the SDNY won't indict. all it means is that Mueller is not recommending any further indictments arising from HIS investigation. Remember, he passed a number of cases to SDNY, Virginia, and DC. ( if I recall correctly )
 
WCH said:
Many have suspected the Mueller probe would drag in Hillary and CO. Now we'll see.
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haymarket said:
By "many" you mean the far right wing.
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No need to drag. The FBI was and Mueller was to continue a counter intelligence investigation into Russian interference. The Steele dossier was bases on Russian contacts.
 
OscarLevant said:
Report hasn't been released. You're premature. "no indictments" might be because of the fact that DOJ policy is not to indict the prez,
that doesn't mean what they have would not have resulted in an indictment,. nor does it mean the SDNY won't indict. all it means is that Mueller is not recommending any further indictments arising from HIS investigation. Remember, he passed a number of cases to SDNY, Virginia, and DC. ( if I recall correctly )
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In his indictment of Stone, Mueller explained that the Trump campaign did not know what Wikileaks had.

There are no further indictments because there is nothing to indict upon. No collusion; no conspiracy. It has nothing to do with DOJ policy. American democracy is safe; there is no traitor in the White House.
 
Sand Castle said:
Hillary was not elected President, her political career is ruined, and her reputation is shot.

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With those on the right, but they never liked her in the first lace, but many on he left still like her. Her "career" isn't ruined. It's clear she was only interested in the presidency after Secy of State. To say "ruined" is really disingenuous.

After losing that race, noting that she was the popular choice, she is not interested in any other office, so to say 'career over', is really misleading. She understands that no one who won the nomination and lost ever sought it again, so it's not likely she will, either.

So while she is out of politicis, she still gives speaking engagements, public appearances, etc. , and is paid well for them.

Hillary Clinton Is Not a Candidate. But She Has a Role in 2020 Anyway. - The New York Times

She will still wield influence. That hardly equates to "shot".
 
hanger4 said:
The order appointing Mueller by Rosenstein states Mueller investigates Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election. Mueller took over the FBI's counter intelligence investigation. The FBI knowing where Steele got his dossier info, from Russian contacts, it stands to reason that Mueller should have investigated that lead also.
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The sources were in Russia and thus out of reach for Mueller. Plus many are anonymous, even to Steele, so how would Mueller reach them?
 
Athanasius68 said:
The sources were in Russia and thus out of reach for Mueller. Plus many are anonymous, even to Steele, so how would Mueller reach them?
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Mueller indicted 13 Russians knowing they were out of reach. He seems to have gathered enough evidence for those indictments.
 
Logical1 said:
But the question to Mueller will be why since the whole dossier against Trump was a total lie, why didnt he nail the democrats that committed that crime.
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That's not true, in fact The Steel Dossier is a collection of facts without regard to their veracity. It's just raw data neve intended to be a final report. Some of the data is true and some false; to say that it is a "total lie", is a lie.

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective - Lawfare
 
hanger4 said:
No need to drag. The FBI was and Mueller was to continue a counter intelligence investigation into Russian interference. The Steele dossier was bases on Russian contacts.
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The right wing mind is a fervid hive of activity.
 
hanger4 said:
The order appointing Mueller by Rosenstein states Mueller investigates Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election. Mueller took over the FBI's counter intelligence investigation. The FBI knowing where Steele got his dossier info, from Russian contacts, it stands to reason that Mueller should have investigated that lead also.
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Sure, it stands to reason that Mueller would have investigated that as well, but whether that is recorded in his report, or whether that lead was followed up with an eye on possible criminal activities by the DNC, the Hillary campaign, Fusion GPS, and others, or not, is the question. As there have been no indictments, other than those not of these groups, is certainly an interesting aspect of this.

Are we all that certain that there isn't FBI / Mueller political bias at play again? I'm not so sure that we can make that assumption.
 
eohrnberger said:
Sure, it stands to reason that Mueller would have investigated that as well, but whether that is recorded in his report, or whether that lead was followed up with an eye on possible criminal activities by the DNC, the Hillary campaign, Fusion GPS, and others, or not, is the question. As there have been no indictments, other than those not of these groups, is certainly an interesting aspect of this.

Are we all that certain that there isn't FBI / Mueller political bias at play again? I'm not so sure that we can make that assumption.
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I agree and doubt Mueller paid any attention to leads that led to the other side.
 
hanger4 said:
No need to drag. The FBI was and Mueller was to continue a counter intelligence investigation into Russian interference. The Steele dossier was bases on Russian contacts.
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Still waiting on the IG report.
 
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