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Mueller: What I'm Not Hearing

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Nobody is saying what a great relief it is that our POTUS (dem or repub) has not committed this kind of crime! I'm PROUD of us, despite what the libs have tried (will continue to try) to do to us.

What has me emotional this morning is that nobody on the left got held accountable for what they've done (yet). I'm tickled pink trying to figure out what straws they'll grab for next and what lies they'll try to get their base to swallow.

Have a beautiful weekend! It's too pretty here for computers.

God Bless the USA!!!!!
 
augustus said:
Nobody is saying what a great relief it is that our POTUS (dem or repub) has not committed this kind of crime! I'm PROUD of us, despite what the libs have tried (will continue to try) to do to us.

What has me emotional this morning is that nobody on the left got held accountable for what they've done (yet). I'm tickled pink trying to figure out what straws they'll grab for next and what lies they'll try to get their base to swallow.

Have a beautiful weekend! It's too pretty here for computers.

God Bless the USA!!!!!
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The Dems knew this was coming. Since the election last year, they've planned their course of action with this Mueller conclusion in mind.

What's next? We already know. Constant nonsense from the Dem House. Investigations up the yin-yang. More and more demands for information from the Trump administration with purpose except to find stuff that the media can paint as bad stuff.

The Dems have given up on the whole Trump/Russia nonsense. Now they are concentrating on finding dirt to use against Trump in the 2020 election.
 
augustus said:
Nobody is saying what a great relief it is that our POTUS (dem or repub) has not committed this kind of crime! I'm PROUD of us, despite what the libs have tried (will continue to try) to do to us.
What has me emotional this morning is that nobody on the left got held accountable for what they've done (yet).
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Mycroft said:
The Dems knew this was coming. Since the election last year, they've planned their course of action with this Mueller conclusion in mind.
What's next? We already know. Constant nonsense from the Dem House. Investigations up the yin-yang. More and more demands for information from the Trump administration with no other purpose than to find stuff that the media can paint as bad stuff.
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While you guys are doing the end-zone dance you're completely ignoring the fact that the report has not been evaluated or released yet and you have no idea what's in it. There have been several dozen indictments and half a dozen convictions in the Trump administration already. Totally baffling how you could declare victory at this point. Let me guess, Rush and Alex Jones are already trying to tell you what's in the report right?

Also, the president probably can't be indicted so there not being an indictment for Trump already does not mean that he's not guilty of anything.

The full list of Mueller indictments and plea deals
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got a 14-day sentence.
2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them). He was sentenced to a combined seven and a half years in prison.
3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.
4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.
5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.
21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller. He was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 6 months of home detention in October 2018.
22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail and has completed his sentence.
23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case last year.
24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.
36) Michael Cohen: In August 2018, Trump’s former lawyer pleaded guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations — related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump, as part of a separate investigation in New York (that Mueller had handed off). But in November, he made a plea deal with Mueller too, for lying to Congress about efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.
37) Roger Stone: In January 2019, Mueller indicted longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone on 7 counts. He accused Stone of lying to the House Intelligence Committee about his efforts to get in touch with WikiLeaks during the campaign, and tampering with a witness who could have debunked his story.
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RabidAlpaca said:
While you guys are doing the end-zone dance you're completely ignoring the fact that the report has not been evaluated or released yet and you have no idea what's in it. There have been several dozen indictments and half a dozen convictions in the Trump administration already. Totally baffling how you could declare victory at this point. Let me guess, Rush and Alex Jones are already trying to tell you what's in the report right?

Also, the president probably can't be indicted so there not being an indictment for Trump already does not mean that he's not guilty of anything.
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:lamo Its over dude. No collusion. Just rip off the band-aid and move on.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
While you guys are doing the end-zone dance you're completely ignoring the fact that the report has not been evaluated or released yet and you have no idea what's in it. There have been several dozen indictments and half a dozen convictions in the Trump administration already. Totally baffling how you could declare victory at this point. Let me guess, Rush and Alex Jones are already trying to tell you what's in the report right?

Also, the president probably can't be indicted so there not being an indictment for Trump already does not mean that he's not guilty of anything.
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I've done no "end-zone dance"...in any post, in any thread...and certainly not in this thread.

I addressed the OP's question...what's next for the Dems.

So, instead of making **** up about me I suggest you go scream into the night sky.
 
Fletch said:
:lamo Its over dude. No collusion. Just rip off the band-aid and move on.
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I've never said there was collusion. What is a fact is that Trump hid the fact that he was trying to get a Trump building built in Moscow during the campaign, that he on live TV told the Russians to hack Hillary's emails, that soon thereafter his closest aids met with Russian agents to discuss the hacking and leaking of said e-mails, that his close aid Roger Stone coordinated with Wikileaks to leak the emails, that he borrowed large sums of money from Russians through Deutsche Bank, and that he has been extremely consistent in advocating pro-Russian policy.

You'll have to wait for the full report to be released, but these things are all facts. What we don't know is what else is in there. You may be completely on-board with a presidential campaign actively working with Russians during an election, but most people find that treasonous and abhorrent.

There have been so far about 37 indictments and multiple convictions involving the Trump administration and Russia.

Mycroft said:
I've done no "end-zone dance"...in any post, in any thread...and certainly not in this thread.
I addressed the OP's question...what's next for the Dems.
So, instead of making **** up about me I suggest you go scream into the night sky.
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Sure you are, you're already declaring Donald is exonerated from all guilt and that the report is a dud, yet you have absolutely no idea what is or isn't in the report.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I've never said there was collusion. What is a fact is that Trump hid the fact that he was trying to get a Trump building built in Moscow during the campaign, that he on live TV told the Russians to hack Hillary's emails, that soon thereafter his closest aids met with Russian agents to discuss the hacking and leaking of said e-mails, that his close aid Roger Stone coordinated with Wikileaks to leak the emails, that he borrowed large sums of money from Russians through Deutsche Bank, and that he has been extremely consistent in advocating pro-Russian policy.

You'll have to wait for the full report to be released, but these things are all facts. What we don't know is what else is in there. You may be completely on-board with a presidential campaign actively working with Russians during an election, but most people find that treasonous and abhorrent.

There have been so far about 37 indictments and multiple convictions involving the Trump administration and Russia.



Sure you are, you're already declaring Donald is exonerated from all guilt and that the report is a dud, yet you have absolutely no idea what is or isn't in the report.
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Keep dreaming.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
While you guys are doing the end-zone dance you're completely ignoring the fact that the report has not been evaluated or released yet and you have no idea what's in it. There have been several dozen indictments and half a dozen convictions in the Trump administration already. Totally baffling how you could declare victory at this point. Let me guess, Rush and Alex Jones are already trying to tell you what's in the report right?

Also, the president probably can't be indicted so there not being an indictment for Trump already does not mean that he's not guilty of anything.
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So, then, what you're saying is that there has been absolutely NOTHING uncovered after all of the money and time that ties Trump to the Russians' election tampering in any way, at any time, for any reason by any person.

Regarding the payments made by Cohen: Were these monies drawn from private funds legally earned by a private citizen trying to protect his reputation or were they campaign contributions?

What you and all of the anti Trumpers seem to present repeatedly is that something happened. Then, the logic seems to go, if it happened, then Trump did it!

Lots of things have happened since 2015. There's a whole bunch that Trump didn't do. Touch down passes thrown in National Championship games. Home runs hit during the World Series.

These things happened. Did Trump also do these? Same level of evidence. Same level of stupidity required to accept Trump's complicity as fact.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
While you guys are doing the end-zone dance you're completely ignoring the fact that the report has not been evaluated or released yet and you have no idea what's in it. There have been several dozen indictments and half a dozen convictions in the Trump administration already. Totally baffling how you could declare victory at this point. Let me guess, Rush and Alex Jones are already trying to tell you what's in the report right?

Also, the president probably can't be indicted so there not being an indictment for Trump already does not mean that he's not guilty of anything.
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Well, I've got to hand it to Trump supporters, their confidence is certainly unwavering, or at least that's how it seems to appear.

My first instinct is to beleive that if I were in the same shoes, I'd at least be a tad bit nervous about the results of the investigation. During the Clinton sex-scandal circus, I found myself unwilling to accept the possibility of alegations that the president was a rapist were true. Whether or not those allegations were true or not, the fact remains that my feelings on the matter were just that, feelings and not founded on anything substantial; in my defense, I was in the sixth-grade at the time, but still. Today, I wouldn't have any problem accepting evidence against the man, but I also don't much care for him or his brand of leftism, either, so it's not like I have anything emotionally invested in either outcome.

If Bernie Sanders had the level of accusations aimed at him as the president, with several people working under him under investigation, and with his lawyer spewing the beans on what should be looked at where to find the information, and who to speak to, I beleive that would shatter my entire perception of reality. I have a hard time imagining being so confident as to die on the hill of the investigation reaping nothing in the way of corruption or criminal activity. I would like to think that at some point, the overwhelming pile of bad omens and potential evidence of wrong-doing would crack that certainty, but who knows.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
I've never said there was collusion. What is a fact is that Trump hid the fact that he was trying to get a Trump building built in Moscow during the campaign, that he on live TV told the Russians to hack Hillary's emails, that soon thereafter his closest aids met with Russian agents to discuss the hacking and leaking of said e-mails, that his close aid Roger Stone coordinated with Wikileaks to leak the emails, that he borrowed large sums of money from Russians through Deutsche Bank, and that he has been extremely consistent in advocating pro-Russian policy.

You'll have to wait for the full report to be released, but these things are all facts. What we don't know is what else is in there. You may be completely on-board with a presidential campaign actively working with Russians during an election, but most people find that treasonous and abhorrent.

There have been so far about 37 indictments and multiple convictions involving the Trump administration and Russia.



Sure you are, you're already declaring Donald is exonerated from all guilt and that the report is a dud, yet you have absolutely no idea what is or isn't in the report.
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Still clinging to that whole colluuuuuuuuuuuusion thingy, huh. Maybe a 12 Step program or something...

Is it illegal for a businessman to conduct business? Trump was not in office during the campaign. He STILL had a job in the real world.

If you're not a Democrat, it's generally considered good form to perform the duties assigned to you as a part of your employment. Even if you happen to own the company. Maybe especially so.
 
augustus said:
Nobody is saying what a great relief it is that our POTUS (dem or repub) has not committed this kind of crime! I'm PROUD of us, despite what the libs have tried (will continue to try) to do to us.

What has me emotional this morning is that nobody on the left got held accountable for what they've done (yet). I'm tickled pink trying to figure out what straws they'll grab for next and what lies they'll try to get their base to swallow.

Have a beautiful weekend! It's too pretty here for computers.

God Bless the USA!!!!!
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Us? WTF is Us?

Oh I get it. It's a tribal thing and you will defend the sorry excuse of a president no matter what.

Got it!
 
RabidAlpaca said:
While you guys are doing the end-zone dance you're completely ignoring the fact that the report has not been evaluated or released yet and you have no idea what's in it. There have been several dozen indictments and half a dozen convictions in the Trump administration already. Totally baffling how you could declare victory at this point. Let me guess, Rush and Alex Jones are already trying to tell you what's in the report right?

Also, the president probably can't be indicted so there not being an indictment for Trump already does not mean that he's not guilty of anything.
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And don't forget there are 17 more investigation into the trump mob family at the state level where no pardon can be issued.
 
DH Kirkwood said:
Well, I've got to hand it to Trump supporters, they're confidence is certainly unwavering, or at least that's how it seems to appear.

My first instinct is to beleive that if I were in the same shoes, I'd at least be a tad bit nervous about the results of the investigation. During the Clinton sex-scandal circus, I found myself unwilling to accept the possibility of alegations that the president was a rapist were true. Whether or not those allegations were true or not, the fact remains that my feelings on the matter were just that, feelings and not founded on anything substantial; in my defense, I was in the sixth-grade at the time, but still. Today, I wouldn't have any problem accepting evidence against the man, but I also don't much care for him or his brand of leftism, either, so it's not like I have anything emotionally invested in either outcome.

If Bernie Sanders had the level of accusations aimed at him as the president, with several people working under him under investigation, and with his lawyer spewing the beans on what should be looked at where to find the information, and who to speak to, I beleive that would shatter my entire perception of reality. I have a hard time imagining being so confident as to die on the hill of the investigation reaping nothing in the way of corruption or criminal activity. I would like to think that at some point, the overwhelming pile of bad omens and potential evidence of wrong-doing would crack that certainty, but who knows.
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So the weight of the allegations is enough create belief?

With Clinton, the weight of the allegations were nothing until DNA evidence was announced. Suddenly the Bimbo Eruption was ignored by Carville and the rest. I always thought it was funny that HE was talking about people being low class.

With Trump, in regard to the ladies in his life, we all knew about this before the campaign started. He was a Billionaire New York Playboy and he was pretty good at it.

He was also a real estate developer and was pretty good at that, too. In truth, he's been pretty good at almost everything he has tried to do.

As a politician, he never ran for any office in his life until he won the presidency. As a campaigner, it turns out, he was pretty good at that, too.

As a President, he's done a pretty good job, too. It seems like this guy is just good at what he does.

When I post on this board that Trump has done a very respectable job, the Never Trumpers here say that he is only as good as Obama. So Trump is only as good as St. Obama? Pretty good at that, too.
 
augustus said:
Nobody is saying what a great relief it is that our POTUS (dem or repub) has not committed this kind of crime! I'm PROUD of us, despite what the libs have tried (will continue to try) to do to us.

What has me emotional this morning is that nobody on the left got held accountable for what they've done (yet). I'm tickled pink trying to figure out what straws they'll grab for next and what lies they'll try to get their base to swallow.

Have a beautiful weekend! It's too pretty here for computers.

God Bless the USA!!!!!
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And no one was held accountable for propagating the racist lie that was Obama's birth certificate. My point, that is politics, get over it or get out of the game.

Emotional? Rather dramatic I believe.
 
augustus said:
Nobody is saying what a great relief it is that our POTUS (dem or repub) has not committed this kind of crime! I'm PROUD of us, despite what the libs have tried (will continue to try) to do to us.

What has me emotional this morning is that nobody on the left got held accountable for what they've done (yet). I'm tickled pink trying to figure out what straws they'll grab for next and what lies they'll try to get their base to swallow.

Have a beautiful weekend! It's too pretty here for computers.

God Bless the USA!!!!!
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You read the report?
 
My chief thought is that once he gets out of prison, Cohen will be free to visit Prague. He really should. It's a beautiful city.

Beyond that, this will have a long tail. The administration will issue a rebuttal to the prosecution's report, and then those bugs the Smithsonian uses to clean up bones will digest the rest.
 
Mycroft said:
The Dems knew this was coming. Since the election last year, they've planned their course of action with this Mueller conclusion in mind.

What's next? We already know. Constant nonsense from the Dem House. Investigations up the yin-yang. More and more demands for information from the Trump administration with purpose except to find stuff that the media can paint as bad stuff.

The Dems have given up on the whole Trump/Russia nonsense. Now they are concentrating on finding dirt to use against Trump in the 2020 election.
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If one was watching closely, the Democratic controlled house forgot all about Mueller and the Russia collusion more than a month ago. They already discarded collusion from their arsenal. They knew there was nothing there despite all their propaganda to the opposite. Now the Democrats are going after Trump's finances.

Trump will be the most investigated president ever, mostly because of ultra high partisan politics.
 
augustus said:
Nobody is saying what a great relief it is that our POTUS (dem or repub) has not committed this kind of crime! I'm PROUD of us, despite what the libs have tried (will continue to try) to do to us.

What has me emotional this morning is that nobody on the left got held accountable for what they've done (yet). I'm tickled pink trying to figure out what straws they'll grab for next and what lies they'll try to get their base to swallow.

Have a beautiful weekend! It's too pretty here for computers.

God Bless the USA!!!!!
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It's quite easy to see what will be the next step.
1) It won't be anything that even looks like an admission they were ****ing with everyone for 2 years for their own political reasons.
2) It will be a demand to see every document and spent toilet paper produced by Mueller and his team so Schiff and Nadler can pore over it all looking for something to use for impeachment. With all the calls to the media and TV appearances on Maddow they should be able to easily make that last until 2020 ... and maybe beyond.
3) If Barr tells 'em to **** off they can include him in their investigations.

Now, there will always be some here who will absolutely never give up. We could name names. But they were may be some who grudgingly admit they were snookered. Maybe. We shall see.
 
Proud Trump didn't criminally conspire with Russia to help him steal the election? Proud, or relieved?
MAGA?

Wait, you're proud of what, half a dozen felony indictments of Trump campaign and cabinet.
But when Obama had 0 criminals uncovered in all the right wing chasing of Obama, not proud?
I guess you can be proud that so far, Republican Nixon's # of criminals busted in office, is still higher than Trump's. That's a victory...something to be "proud" of...right?

Phony post is phony.
 
Mycroft said:
I've done no "end-zone dance"...in any post, in any thread...and certainly not in this thread.

I addressed the OP's question...what's next for the Dems.

So, instead of making **** up about me I suggest you go scream into the night sky.
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Just curious how you would know what's next for the Dems. You obviously have some inside information that nobody else does. Please share it.
 
bubbabgone said:
It's quite easy to see what will be the next step.
1) It won't be anything that even looks like an admission they were ****ing with everyone for 2 years for their own political reasons.
2) It will be a demand to see every document and spent toilet paper produced by Mueller and his team so Schiff and Nadler can pore over it all looking for something to use for impeachment. With all the calls to the media and TV appearances on Maddow they should be able to easily make that last until 2020 ... and maybe beyond.
3) If Barr tells 'em to **** off they can include him in their investigations.

Now, there will always be some here who will absolutely never give up. We could name names. But they were may be some who grudgingly admit they were snookered. Maybe. We shall see.
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I'm sure the Democrats will publicly admit to #1 right after the Republicans publicly admit to ****ing with Hillary Clinton for 2 (at least) years for their own political reasons, or ****ing with her husband for 4 years for their own political reasons. I wonder when that's going to happen.
 
tres borrachos said:
Just curious how you would know what's next for the Dems. You obviously have some inside information that nobody else does. Please share it.
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It's not a secret.

When Pelosi took over the House, she set the marching orders for the various committees. Those committee leaders were very clear what they would be doing. They announced they would be starting with Cohen...and that's what they did.
 
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