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Please respond only if you watched E. Warren's town hall

Have you?

Well, I did look up and provide that article on Warren. But since I won't ever consider voting for her I wouldn't normally look up her info.

It doesn't matter, anyway. She's not the DNC chosen one. She won't get the nomination.
 
Well, I did look up and provide that article on Warren. But since I won't ever consider voting for her I wouldn't normally look up her info.

It doesn't matter, anyway. She's not the DNC chosen one. She won't get the nomination.
I'd have to go look into it myself, but I vaguely recall hearing/reading that she no longer accepts some donors which she used to.
 
Well, I did look up and provide that article on Warren. But since I won't ever consider voting for her I wouldn't normally look up her info.

It doesn't matter, anyway. She's not the DNC chosen one. She won't get the nomination.

Since you won't ever vote for any liberal, there's not really any point in your being in this thread, except to act like a jerk and throw troll bait, which is what you're doing.
 
I'd have to go look into it myself, but I vaguely recall hearing/reading that she no longer accepts some donors which she used to.

Don't waste your time reading the article the other member referenced. It's temporally and contextually ingermane, as has already been pointed out in post 14.
 
Since you won't ever vote for any liberal, there's not really any point in your being in this thread, except to act like a jerk and throw troll bait, which is what you're doing.

Red and off-topic:
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I think that guy's a loon nonpareil who never has a damn thing of gravitas to say and who doesn't ever raise germane gravamen, but if watches the town hall (it's provided in the OP) and comments specifically on it (instead of stuff having nothing to do with it), which is what the thread is for, then he (or anyone else who'd never vote for a liberal) has due cause to participate in this thread.
 
Calm down, eh?

I made no claims. I simply presented facts and questioned her sincerity.

Definitely I should calm down because you presented a bogus article to question her sincerity. :roll:
 
She damn sure did.

The current field is full of folks with some serious chops, both professionally and academically. Warren probably is tops in that regard given that the job being pursued is POTUS and I think regarding the general public's current revulsion of "big moneyed" interests and that her career has given her an unsurpassed awareness of precisely how to design policies and laws to abate the advantages corporate money enjoys.

That said, there's no paucity of very astute candidates. Two, for instance are Rhodes Scholars: Mayor Pete and Cory Booker. Mayor Pete is Harvard, magna cum laude and an Aspen fellow. Castro went to Stanford and then to Harvard Law (I haven't checked to see whether Warren had him as a student). Amy K. is Yale, magna cum laude and U. Chicago law. John Delaney is Columbia and Georgetown Law. Suffice to say, there are a lot of very bright candidates.

Credentials notwithstanding, every last one of them has more policy experience and knowledge than does Trump, and that's a strength they can and should use, and in so doing drive the focus of the 2020 POTUS election, accordingly, to be "all about policy and portfolio" until the candidate is chosen. As various Dem candidates drop from the race, those who did should go to full-on attack mode, some "doing the dozens" in the down and dirty way Trump does, others taking the comedic approach as do late nite comics like Seth Meyers and Bill Maher, and others taking the "high road," all the while allowing the candidate's own rhetoric to be laser focused on his or her own policy and highlighting the inanity, benightedness, banality and/or vulgarity of Trump's policies. Come the POTUS debates, the Dem candidate can then hit Trump from all sides, both "reading him for filth" and running policy rings around him, showing him for the buffoon he is.

You make some great points....in a logical world.

Unfortunately we are in a parallel universe where voters are turned off by educated candidates who bore them with actual policy. The "elites".

I'm keeping fingers crossed that the 2020 campaign will cross back into a logical realm.
 
I watched her town hall and being someone that lived in Massachusetts for a long time what she said has been what she was saying. I don't know about her corporate donor past nor do I care. I cared that when I called her office with an issue I got an appointment and they helped me. I did finally meet her she engaged she listened her staff was great. She actually hired good people.
I would vote for her in a ny minute but I don't think the country will vote for her.
The country seems to want noise and not solutions.
The good thing is so far there are no "bad" candidates. There really is no one in the top 5 that anyone would have to hold there noses to vote for personally or policy.
 
Since you won't ever vote for any liberal, there's not really any point in your being in this thread, except to act like a jerk and throw troll bait, which is what you're doing.

LOL!!

Yes...presenting facts is throwing troll bait. Okay.
 
Definitely I should calm down because you presented a bogus article to question her sincerity. :roll:

A bogus article...with numerous links to Open Secrets who only present facts.

LOL!!
 
I like Warren, not as much as Sanders, as far as candidacy is concerned but I really liked her answer for why and how she'd break up the big tech companies. To be honest it wasn't an issue I cared much about nor did I see a big reason for it but her explanation was reasonable and prudent.
 
I watched her town hall and being someone that lived in Massachusetts for a long time what she said has been what she was saying. I don't know about her corporate donor past nor do I care. I cared that when I called her office with an issue I got an appointment and they helped me. I did finally meet her she engaged she listened her staff was great. She actually hired good people.

I would vote for her in a ny minute but I don't think the country will vote for her.

The country seems to want noise and not solutions.

The good thing is so far there are no "bad" candidates. There really is no one in the top 5 that anyone would have to hold there noses to vote for personally or policy.

TY for sharing a first-person anecdote indicating her expressed town hall themes comport with her behavior.


Of the candidates who've I've examined, none of them are bad, though I've, in my own mind determined I rather one of them not be the nominee. I think the Dems have a wide and deep bench.
  • E. Warren
  • J. Castro
  • K. Harris
  • Amy K.
  • C. Booker
  • Mayor Pete
  • Bernie
  • J. Delaney
    • John is the only one I know is more than capable, but whom I had rather not win the nomination. That I decided thus surprised me because I like him and much about him. I just don't like his guarded rhetorical style. All pols are guarded to some degree, but he's so in the same way tort and criminal defense attorneys are. In pols, I just don't care for that rhetorical style; it makes me wonder why they're hedging and not expressly stating the nature and extent of whatever militates for their doing so.

      Who does that? Doctors, scientists (natural and social), prosecutors, bankers, financial analysts, philosophers, plumbers, carpenters, engineers, landscapers, and myriad other professions don't don't do that when remarking about stuff that falls within their realm of professional expertise. Marketers, on the other hand, do that. They do it because they only want to present to one the picture they want one to see. They are that way rhetorically because it's hard to sell a product by telling the customer why they should be timorous about buying/owning it.

      Honest marketers, thought they don't volunteer their product's "flaws," will, at least, own their existence if asked about them directly. But that makes the customer "pull teeth" to get to the whole truth of the matter, and I don't like having to "work that hard." Delaney strikes me as the sort of guy who'd "make me work that hard," and I'm already exhausted from having to do that regarding Trump. I don't want a Dem who exhibits that rhetorical style as does Trump. I can acquiesce to a Delaney presidency, but I don't want it.
  • T. Gabbard
  • J. Inslee
  • Beto


Red:
If "noise" is your euphemism for "entertainment," I agree.
 
Red and off-topic:
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I think that guy's a loon nonpareil who never has a damn thing of gravitas to say and who doesn't ever raise germane gravamen, but if watches the town hall (it's provided in the OP) and comments specifically on it (instead of stuff having nothing to do with it), which is what the thread is for, then he (or anyone else who'd never vote for a liberal) has due cause to participate in this thread.

You're right, my apologies.
 
TY for sharing a first-person anecdote indicating her expressed town hall themes comport with her behavior.


Of the candidates who've I've examined, none of them are bad, though I've, in my own mind determined I rather one of them not be the nominee. I think the Dems have a wide and deep bench.
  • E. Warren
  • J. Castro
  • K. Harris
  • Amy K.
  • C. Booker
  • Mayor Pete
  • Bernie
  • J. Delaney
    • John is the only one I know is more than capable, but whom I had rather not win the nomination. That I decided thus surprised me because I like him and much about him. I just don't like his guarded rhetorical style. All pols are guarded to some degree, but he's so in the same way tort and criminal defense attorneys are. In pols, I just don't care for that rhetorical style; it makes me wonder why they're hedging and not expressly stating the nature and extent of whatever militates for their doing so.

      Who does that? Doctors, scientists (natural and social), prosecutors, bankers, financial analysts, philosophers, plumbers, carpenters, engineers, landscapers, and myriad other professions don't don't do that when remarking about stuff that falls within their realm of professional expertise. Marketers, on the other hand, do that. They do it because they only want to present to one the picture they want one to see. They are that way rhetorically because it's hard to sell a product by telling the customer why they should be timorous about buying/owning it.

      Honest marketers, thought they don't volunteer their product's "flaws," will, at least, own their existence if asked about them directly. But that makes the customer "pull teeth" to get to the whole truth of the matter, and I don't like having to "work that hard." Delaney strikes me as the sort of guy who'd "make me work that hard," and I'm already exhausted from having to do that regarding Trump. I don't want a Dem who exhibits that rhetorical style as does Trump. I can acquiesce to a Delaney presidency, but I don't want it.
  • T. Gabbard
  • J. Inslee
  • Beto


Red:
If "noise" is your euphemism for "entertainment," I agree.

I have no comment on Delaney, I haven't looked into him and have only heard his name in passing.
Of the list you have up so far the only person I might have to hold my nose and vote for is Bernie and it wouldn't be because of policy but more he seems like an angry old man and I just don't want another one of those in the white house.
I agree the dem bench is deep.

I will however give you another small anecdote from Massachusetts.
My SIL has/had a problem with holy cross (her daughter graduated from there) she called her Congress person Capuano his office told her they couldn't do anything because it's a private school and out of their district. Before Presley was even sworn in her office got Warren's office involved and together they got Worcester county off their asses to fix the problem.
I say that to say even while Warren is in Washington running for president she's still helping her constituents in her state.
And yes noise is euphemism for the reality show going on in our government right now.
 
...I watched Sen. Warren's town hall, and I have to say I've shifted toward being amenable to her candidacy. She's quite compelling when responding directly to voters, as well she should be for the central theme she's campaigning on, "we've had enough with the Washington of corporate interests," is what she's been advocating for as long as she's held public office and she's definitely got very deep knowledge of the policies and where the "legaleze" in them leaves gaping "loopholes" through which any Fortune 500 firm can "hop, skip and jump."

I mean, really. The woman is the Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law, Emerita at Harvard. Her focus areas were:
Yes, she is quite compelling for those sympathetic to her style of nanny nasty and left populist demagoguery. After all, she is an archetype of an educated Huey Long, a self-appointed campaigner for the 'common little guy' against those "EVIL" corporations, banks, and insurance companies. And her particular appeal to some Democrats is that her attacks have been based the universal resentment of class differences and "screwing the little guy", not on a narrow identity group loyalty - well, until recently anyway.

And she is equally revolting to those of us who reject her style of spiteful and churlish "school marm" finger wagging, as well as to those who reject her politics of class resentment . You see, there are those of us not infected with the resentment of those many who make more money than us (in spite of our modest income), who don't disrespect and value free markets and the business community, and who don't wish to demonize a broad swaths of the American people's solely on the basis of their membership in "the other" class, race, or gender. On that basis she is a special case of "yuck".

Aside from politics, your benighted infatuation of Warren needs to solid dose of truth and realism.

First, she doesn't have any special or even expert knowledge on the policy areas she discusses. Repeating her own claims of specialized knowledge and practice in a bio or CVita is nothing more than an advertisement based on self-promotion in academia.

Second, the best (and worst) that can be said of Warren is that she purely thinks like a lawyer (and former welfare worker), meaning that her world view is crippled by the inability to understand an economic system based on billions of atomized transactions of self interest and the invisible hand. Whereas an economist looks at a society as customs, values and cultural habits expressed in voluntary exchange (an expression of billions of rational wants by consumers and producers) lawyers look society as an unruly and unfair collective mess in need of a strong, centralized authority making moral decrees on land, capital labor and consumption in the name a a monopolized concept of collective good that fits "all" - whether they like it or not.

Last Warren has been a shoddy scholar, a pedestrian attorney, and an overhyped fake "minority" pushed up the academic track. Her singular claim to fame is her study on middle class bankruptcy, debunked repeatedly as a near fraud in both peer and popular press.

I suppose though, as an archetype of the old fashioned, pre-Carter liberal, government planning regulatory foolishness that has been shown to backfire and ignore economic laws - well, she excells.
 
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Yes, she is quite compelling for those sympathetic to her style of nanny nasty and left populist demagoguery. After all, she is an archetype of an educated Huey Long, a self-appointed campaigner for the 'common little guy' against those "EVIL" corporations, banks, and insurance companies. And her particular appeal to some Democrats is that her attacks have been based the universal resentment of class differences and "screwing the little guy", not on a narrow identity group loyalty - well, until recently anyway.

And she is equally revolting to those of us who reject her style of spiteful and churlish "school marm" finger wagging, as well as to those who reject her politics of class resentment . You see, there are those of us not infected with the resentment of those many who make more money than us (in spite of our modest income), who don't disrespect and value free markets and the business community, and who don't wish to demonize a broad swaths of the American people's solely on the basis of their membership in "the other" class, race, or gender. On that basis she is a special case of "yuck".

Aside from politics, your benighted infatuation of Warren needs to solid dose of truth and realism.

First, she doesn't have any special or even expert knowledge on the policy areas she discusses. Repeating her own claims of specialized knowledge and practice in a bio or CVita is nothing more than an advertisement based on self-promotion in academia.

Second, the best (and worst) that can be said of Warren is that she purely thinks like a lawyer (and former welfare worker), meaning that her world view is crippled by the foolish belief that an economic system based on billions of atomized transactions of self interest and the invisible hand should be "commanded" to have a proper outcome, while ignoring adverse consequences. Whereas an economist looks at a society as customs, values and cultural habits expressed in voluntary exchange (an expression of billions of rational wants by consumers and producers) lawyers look society as an unruly collective mess in need of a strong, centralized authority making moral decrees on land, capital labor and consumption in the name of "all".

Last Warren has been a shoddy scholar, a pedestrian attorney, and an overhyped fake "minority" pushed up the academic track. Her singular claim to fame is her study on middle class bankruptcy, debunked repeatedly as a near fraud in both peer and popular press.

I suppose though, as an archetype of the old fashioned, pre-Carter liberal, government planning regulatory foolishness that has been shown to backfire and ignore economic laws - well, she excells.

Perhaps you'd be good enough to direct me to one or more of the peer reviews you've read and that debunk her study?
 
Perhaps you'd be good enough to direct me to one or more of the peer reviews you've read and that debunk her study?

I will be more than happy to refer you to the peer literature, as well as commentary by professionals in the field:

Rutgers-Shuchman provided a scathing 60 page review of her first book with co-authors, Rutgers Shuchman | Chapter 7 | Bankruptcy - Rutgers Law Review

Then there is the Examination of her 2005 / 2010 papers in New England Journal of Medicine. Myth and Measurement — The Case of Medical Bankruptcies Carlos Dobkin, Ph.D., Amy Finkelstein, Ph.D., Raymond Kluender, B.S., and Matthew J. Notowidigdo, Ph.D
Ungated version: http://economics.mit.edu/files/14892

David Dranove and Michael Millenson, then both on the faculty at Kellogg School of Management, in the peer reviewed publication Health Affairs in 2006 : ( https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.25.w74 ) analyzed the underlying survey figures differently and concluded that medical problems were probably responsible for less than 20 percent of all American bankruptcies.

Other commentators with expertise in the field:

Neale Mahoney, a health economist at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, whose research has focused on questions of medical debt. (" the team “wrote the paper in a way that was deliberately provocative, and they got out ahead of their skis.” )

Craig Garthwaite, a health economist at the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern, who also studies medical debt, offered a more negative assessment: “There are no reputable economists who I deal with who believe the number in the paper or the methods in the paper are appropriate in trying to get at the true underlying question.”

If you read all this material I'd be shocked if you'd come away with such a rosy view of her "scholarly" credentials.
 
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