John McCain -- not that special

There are lots of brave men and women who would have done what McCain did in his hostage situation. Lots who paid the ultimate price. I rarely speak badly of the dead but his last move, that grandstanding thumbs-down, was a punch in the nose to Trump and a "look at me" moment. It was childish and a betrayal. I don't blame Trump for taking a hit at him once-in-a-while. I'd be that pissed too.

Our pasts don't equal our futures. Just because he did something that many other brave men would have done doesn't mean he was a good politician. He was a RINO. His thumbs down was a very bad mistake for his legacy.

The legislative branch are not the lackeys of the President. McCain voted against repealing the ACA because he didn't believe it was in the best interest of the Americans he represents, especially when Trump had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to replace it. It sure does say a lot about your character though that you're ****ting on a dead American patriot that served his country in war then in congress for many decades just because he voted against something your cult leader wanted. Shame on you.

augustus said:

There are lots of brave men and women who would have done what McCain did in his hostage situation. Lots who paid the ultimate price. I rarely speak badly of the dead but his last move, that grandstanding thumbs-down, was a punch in the nose to Trump and a "look at me" moment. It was childish and a betrayal. I don't blame Trump for taking a hit at him once-in-a-while. I'd be that pissed too.

Our pasts don't equal our futures. Just because he did something that many other brave men would have done doesn't mean he was a good politician. He was a RINO. His thumbs down was a very bad mistake for his legacy.

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We liberals didn't care for the mans politics at all. His policies to many of us were frankly horrible, but we've let all that go to honor the good things he did, and to let him rest in peace.

McCain sided with the Republicans on the wars, drugs, gay marriage, abortion, judges, military spending, tax cuts, and even healthcare. He just didn't think repealing the ACA with the promised replacement was good for the country, and you guys have never let him live it down.

The fact that your side just can't let go of a political defeat that, BTW, two other Republicans were on board with, just goes to show how you fanatical you are.

augustus said:

There are lots of brave men and women who would have done what McCain did in his hostage situation. Lots who paid the ultimate price. I rarely speak badly of the dead but his last move, that grandstanding thumbs-down, was a punch in the nose to Trump and a "look at me" moment. It was childish and a betrayal. I don't blame Trump for taking a hit at him once-in-a-while. I'd be that pissed too.

Our pasts don't equal our futures. Just because he did something that many other brave men would have done doesn't mean he was a good politician. He was a RINO. His thumbs down was a very bad mistake for his legacy.

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Red:
However irked at another I might find myself, were I the POTUS, I'd be bigger than to show the world that someone of lesser prominence had ruffled my feathers.

That sort of comportment may be "okay-ish" for folks "born in a barn" and "raised by wolves," so to speak It's not, AFAIC, ever acceptable for any civilized fellow, and certainly not for a POTUS.

It's not the denigration that I find opprobrious. It's Trump's lack of restraint.

augustus said:

There are lots of brave men and women who would have done what McCain did in his hostage situation. Lots who paid the ultimate price. I rarely speak badly of the dead but his last move, that grandstanding thumbs-down, was a punch in the nose to Trump and a "look at me" moment. It was childish and a betrayal. I don't blame Trump for taking a hit at him once-in-a-while. I'd be that pissed too.

Our pasts don't equal our futures. Just because he did something that many other brave men would have done doesn't mean he was a good politician. He was a RINO. His thumbs down was a very bad mistake for his legacy.

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If McCain wasn't a special man then that speaks very poorly for the rest of us.

Here's something I know with 100% certainty. If Trump had served in Vietnam and had been captured as a POW and refused to be released until the rest of them were released, we would be hearing about it on a minute by minute basis every day, every week, every month and every year from Trump supporters as an example of just how amazing he is. Period, end of story. Not a single Trump supporter would be arguing "well, lots of brave women or men would have done that!". Not a one.

augustus said:

There are lots of brave men and women who would have done what McCain did in his hostage situation. Lots who paid the ultimate price. I rarely speak badly of the dead but his last move, that grandstanding thumbs-down, was a punch in the nose to Trump and a "look at me" moment. It was childish and a betrayal. I don't blame Trump for taking a hit at him once-in-a-while. I'd be that pissed too.

Our pasts don't equal our futures. Just because he did something that many other brave men would have done doesn't mean he was a good politician. He was a RINO. His thumbs down was a very bad mistake for his legacy.

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It seems like you feel McCain was supposed to just eat Trump's insults, and vote in support of a policy of he disagreed with, because ?

I think, in his final months, McCain maintained an incredible level-headed class, and awareness of his role as a Senator that few could match. I think he voted his conscience, rather than voting explicitly to screw Trump over.

And I think that while he definitely was no saint, his legacy is perfectly intact. Maybe a few more decades of smears will change that.

Xelor said:

Red:
However irked at another I might find myself, were I the POTUS, I'd be bigger than to show the world that someone of lesser prominence had ruffled my feathers.

That sort of comportment may be "okay-ish" for folks "born in a barn" and "raised by wolves," so to speak It's not, AFAIC, ever acceptable for any civilized fellow, and certainly not for a POTUS.

It's not the denigration that I find opprobrious. It's Trump's lack of restraint.

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I actually agree with that completely. Trumps eagerness to 'punch down' on every nobody who insults him is possibly his most disturbing flaw.

RabidAlpaca said:

The legislative branch are not the lackeys of the President. McCain voted against repealing the ACA because he didn't believe it was in the best interest of the Americans he represents, especially when Trump had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to replace it. It sure does say a lot about your character though that you're ****ting on a dead American patriot that served his country in war then in congress for many decades just because he voted against something your cult leader wanted. Shame on you.

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You do realize prior to his vote, McCain was the biggest critic of the ACA? This had nothing to do with the best interest of Americans. BS.

Stop trying to white-wash the war-monger McCain.

WillyPete said:

It seems like you feel McCain was supposed to just eat Trump's insults, and vote in support of a policy of he disagreed with, because ?

I think, in his final months, McCain maintained an incredible level-headed class, and awareness of his role as a Senator that few could match. I think he voted his conscience, rather than voting explicitly to screw Trump over.

And I think that while he definitely was no saint, his legacy is perfectly intact. Maybe a few more decades of smears will change that.

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Remember conservatives are the group that fancies themselves as independent thinkers, yet has labels for anyone who strays from the party line like RINO. Facing his own death McCain was free from any constraints and was able to vote his conscience and for what he believed was right for America. There was no plan ready to go.

RabidAlpaca said:

The legislative branch are not the lackeys of the President. McCain voted against repealing the ACA because he didn't believe it was in the best interest of the Americans he represents, especially when Trump had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to replace it. It sure does say a lot about your character though that you're ****ting on a dead American patriot that served his country in war then in congress for many decades just because he voted against something your cult leader wanted. Shame on you.

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Read carefully...not just one American, but essentially all Americans who faced being a prisoner of war, torture and / or died for their country - apparently voting with their conscience erases the value of their sacrifice.

Shame, indeed.

WillyPete said:

It seems like you feel McCain was supposed to just eat Trump's insults, and vote in support of a policy of he disagreed with, because ?

I think, in his final months, McCain maintained an incredible level-headed class, and awareness of his role as a Senator that few could match. I think he voted his conscience, rather than voting explicitly to screw Trump over.

And I think that while he definitely was no saint, his legacy is perfectly intact. Maybe a few more decades of smears will change that.

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So are you saying McCain was lying everytime he talked about how terrible obamacare was?

roughdraft274 said:

If McCain wasn't a special man then that speaks very poorly for the rest of us.

Here's something I know with 100% certainty. If Trump had served in Vietnam and had been captured as a POW and refused to be released until the rest of them were released, we would be hearing about it on a minute by minute basis every day, every week, every month and every year from Trump supporters as an example of just how amazing he is. Period, end of story. Not a single Trump supporter would be arguing "well, lots of brave women or men would have done that!". Not a one.

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It is kind of rich that the OP accused McCain of grandstanding. I am a bit fuzzy on the details, but I don't remember McCain descending an escalator or pushing other people out of the way to cast his vote.

Bucky said:

You do realize prior to his vote, McCain was the biggest critic of the ACA? This had nothing to do with the best interest of Americans. BS.
Stop trying to white-wash the war-monger McCain.

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Lol, I absolutely love to see Republicans attacking each other. He was allegedly the biggest critic of the ACA but one vote against repealing it without having something to replace it, and he's become Asshole #1 to the cult. Disagree with the cult leader even once and you'll be attacked by the whole cult.

Bucky said:

So are you saying McCain was lying everytime he talked about how terrible obamacare was?

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Is that the same as supporting whatever policy Trump hacks out?

Not mutually exclusive.

WillyPete said:

Is that the same as supporting whatever policy Trump hacks out?

Not mutually exclusive.

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Say what you want about Trump, but McCain was a warmonger that would have started ww3 with nukes.

Don't deny it. He was a blood-thirsty hawk.

At the end of the day, Trump won, McCain failed twice in his quest to become president.

RabidAlpaca said:

Lol, I absolutely love to see Republicans attacking each other. He was allegedly the biggest critic of the ACA but one vote against repealing it without having something to replace it, and he's become Asshole #1 to the cult. Disagree with the cult leader even once and you'll be attacked by the whole cult.

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I voted for Obama in 2008.

Bucky said:

I voted for Obama in 2008.

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Bucky said:

Say what you want about Trump, but McCain was a warmonger that would have started ww3 with nukes.

Don't deny it. He was a blood-thirsty hawk.

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I can respect McCain while disagreeing with his policies. I don't need him to be defeated, certainly not today.

McCain was a veteran, and I do not believe he would have put troops in harms way for no good reason.

But then, I don't claim to be able to see the future (or is that only if McCain was president?)

At the end of the day, Trump won, McCain failed twice in his quest to become president.

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McCain never ran against Trump. I wish he had, even if he died before his term was up.

Does your scrying of all possible futures offer any insight into how that would have gone?

augustus said:

There are lots of brave men and women who would have done what McCain did in his hostage situation. Lots who paid the ultimate price. I rarely speak badly of the dead but his last move, that grandstanding thumbs-down, was a punch in the nose to Trump and a "look at me" moment. It was childish and a betrayal. I don't blame Trump for taking a hit at him once-in-a-while. I'd be that pissed too.

Our pasts don't equal our futures. Just because he did something that many other brave men would have done doesn't mean he was a good politician. He was a RINO. His thumbs down was a very bad mistake for his legacy.

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I couldn't stand him in 2008 and I'll be damned if I defend his betrayal to the country now; obamacare and the dossier.
He was a prick if there ever was one.

augustus said:

There are lots of brave men and women who would have done what McCain did in his hostage situation. Lots who paid the ultimate price. I rarely speak badly of the dead but his last move, that grandstanding thumbs-down, was a punch in the nose to Trump and a "look at me" moment. It was childish and a betrayal. I don't blame Trump for taking a hit at him once-in-a-while. I'd be that pissed too.

Our pasts don't equal our futures. Just because he did something that many other brave men would have done doesn't mean he was a good politician. He was a RINO. His thumbs down was a very bad mistake for his legacy.

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I never agreed with the politics of John McCain, he was a war hawk. Ever since the 2007 campaign, when he sang an old song with new lyrics "bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb-Iran", I knew John McCain would be a president that would destroy a country and start WW3 as a result. Despite not liking the fact that he'd rather use military force than diplomacy, I knew all about his distinguished war record and incarceration in a concentration camp in Vietnam, and respected him very much for that service and dedication to this country.

I gained new respect when he gave his 'thumbs-down' vote on the Senate floor because I knew that the 'skinny repeal' of the ACA wasn't a fix. McCain explained that he'd always believed Obamacare should be repealed and replaced with a solution that increases competition, lowers costs and improves care for Americans. McCain knew very well what was at stake. This was about rolling health care back for millions and millions and millions of people. His thumbs-down vote was a pivotal moment for the U.S. and helped save Arizona's Medicaid program.

All Senators were on the floor that night, many had been speaking to John McCain for days trying to convince him to vote for the 'skinny repeal' of the ACA. They were waiting to take the vote and Vice President Pence was wandering around because it would be his vote that would be the tie breaker vote if John McCain voted in favor of the bill. Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins had already made their decision to vote 'no' to the bill. John McCain stopped to talk with Collins and Murkowski when he suddenly pointed to them and said "you two are right", and it was at that moment that he made his decision. John McCain again would do what he thought was the right thing no matter what the pressure.

After the vote finished, John McCain made a statement;

"The so-called ‘skinny repeal’ amendment the Senate voted on today would not accomplish those goals. While the amendment would have repealed some of Obamacare’s most burdensome regulations, it offered no replacement to actually reform our health-care system and deliver affordable, quality health care to our citizens," he said after the vote.

"We must now return to the correct way of legislating and send the bill back to committee, hold hearings, receive input from both sides of aisle, heed the recommendations of nation’s governors, and produce a bill that finally delivers affordable health care for the American people. We must do the hard work our citizens expect of us and deserve.”

Right to the very end, John McCain lived up to his "Maverick" nickname. John McCain was a man who ran for president as a “Maverick” candidate who wouldn’t be bound by party-line votes or political pressure. When we hear Trump's criticism of John McCain, people on the right immediately think 'oh he was bad, he voted against the republican bill', and that's the wrong way to look at this. All the information regarding the repeal and replace of the ACA need to be seen as it was, and the circumstances surrounding it. It wasn't a black and white thing, voting 'no' didn't mean John McCain was anti-Trump, anti-Republican or anti-ACA. What voting 'no' meant to John McCain was what his conscience told him was the right thing to do to protect millions of Americans insured under the ACA.

augustus said:

There are lots of brave men and women who would have done what McCain did in his hostage situation. Lots who paid the ultimate price. I rarely speak badly of the dead but his last move, that grandstanding thumbs-down, was a punch in the nose to Trump and a "look at me" moment. It was childish and a betrayal. I don't blame Trump for taking a hit at him once-in-a-while. I'd be that pissed too.

Our pasts don't equal our futures. Just because he did something that many other brave men would have done doesn't mean he was a good politician. He was a RINO. His thumbs down was a very bad mistake for his legacy.

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So if McCain didn't think the GOP's policy was a good one he was just supposed to go along with it because party>policy? Trump went on and on about how "no one know's healthcare like me" but had no actual plan to deal with ACA replacement other than death by a thousand cuts.

trixare4kids said:

I couldn't stand him in 2008 and I'll be damned if I defend his betrayal to the country now; obamacare and the dossier.
He was a prick if there ever was one.

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So in your view anyone who doesn't toe the party line in lock-step with whatever the president wants is guilty of betraying his country? Do you really follow your chosen leaders that blindly and irrationally?

Fletch said:

I actually agree with that completely. Trumps eagerness to 'punch down' on every nobody who insults him is possibly his most disturbing flaw.

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That and his stupidity.

Bucky said:

So are you saying McCain was lying everytime he talked about how terrible obamacare was?

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Every Republican is lying when they talk about how terrible Obamacare is.

There is nothing Trump can do that his cult members can’t rationalize.


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