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Devin Nunes sues Twitter for allowing critics to be mean to him

Nunes is the biggest crybaby ever to serve in congress.

Republican Devin Nunes sues Twitter, users over attacks - CNNPolitics

Devin, sweetie, if you can't take criticism, perhaps you should choose a career in the private sector.

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:boohoo:

If what he says is true, that Twitter allowed someone to continue making false and defamatory statements against him, and prevented him from responding against them on the platform, then I hope he is able to win his defamation lawsuit against Twitter. Since Twitter has full discretionary editorial control over its users and the content they post, and the owners of Twitter can kick people off that they do not like, they are acting not like a platform but rather as a publisher. And publishers can be sued for allowing the publishing of false and defamatory content.
 
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If what he says is true, that Twitter allowed someone to continue making false and defamatory statements against him, and prevented him from responding against them on the platform, then I hope he is able to win his defamation lawsuit against Twitter.

You realize that Trump does that now on Twitter against folks right?

Since Twitter has full editorial control over its users, and the owners of Twitter can kick people off that they do not like, they are acting not like a platform but rather a publisher. And publishers can be sued for allowing the publishing of false and defamatory content.

Good luck with that. More snowflake whining from the right and Nunes.

In all honesty, I hope he does win the lawsuit because then it will give Twitter the ammo it needs to kick Trump off Twitter since he makes false and derogatory statements to people and Twitter (to save from a lawsuit) would kick him off.
 
You realize that Trump does that now on Twitter against folks right?

Yes, I do realize that, Praxas. And Twitter can and should be held responsible for false and defamatory statements that Donald Trump makes if they choose to exercise editorial control over some users but not him. Once you act like a publisher, you get to be treated like a publisher.

Good luck with that. More snowflake whining from the right and Nunes.

I argue that you do not cede your right to your good name (as in your freedom from false and defamatory accusations) just because you are a public official or on any given part of the political spectrum.
 
Yes, I do realize that, Praxas. And Twitter can and should be held responsible for false and defamatory statements that Donald Trump makes if they choose to exercise editorial control over some users but not him. Once you act like a publisher, you get to be treated like a publisher.

Like I said, I hope he wins. That way Trump will be kicked off Twitter as a liability.

I argue that you do not cede your right to your good name (as in your freedom from false and defamatory accusations) just because you are a public official or on any given part of the political spectrum.

Tell that to ANY of the numerous people Trump has slandered. As I said, I actually hope Nunes wins so Trump will be kicked off Twitter and virtually any other social media due to his comments.
 
Like I said, I hope he wins. That way Trump will be kicked off Twitter as a liability.

Glad we could agree on that.

Tell that to ANY of the numerous people Trump has slandered.

I am happy to, Praxas. I think people who Trump has slandered have a right both against him and against any company (including Twitter) who publish his false and defamatory statements. I argue that no one has an absolute right to make or disseminate false accusations and defamatory statements against other people, and that everyone has a right to preserve their good name no matter their political persuasion.
 
Every article (from reputable sources) includes lawyers statements that Nunes’ lawsuit is bogus and doesn’t stand a snowflakes chance in hell of succeeding.
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If you were to take away a Republican's victim complex, I'm reasonably certain he would have nothing left to live for.

Everyone seems to have a victim complex when they are given the short end of the stick that is public scrutiny. The problem with this case is that only roughly half the people would probably side with Nunes, not so much out of principle but mainly partisanship and half would stand against him, again, not out of principle but partisanship.
 
Every article (from reputable sources) includes lawyers statements that Nunes’ lawsuit is bogus and doesn’t stand a snowflakes chance in hell of succeeding.
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On what grounds, if I may RaleBulgarian? Procedural? Failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted?

EDIT: Cute sign by the way. As a resident of Nunes' district, I love it when anonymous authors apologize on behalf of other people with whom they do not share political opinions. :roll:
 
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If what he says is true, that Twitter allowed someone to continue making false and defamatory statements against him, and prevented him from responding against them on the platform, then I hope he is able to win his defamation lawsuit against Twitter. Since Twitter has full discretionary editorial control over its users and the content they post, and the owners of Twitter can kick people off that they do not like, they are acting not like a platform but rather as a publisher. And publishers can be sued for allowing the publishing of false and defamatory content.

Nunes is a public figure, so the laws against slander are different for him. If Twitter banned people for lying and slandering people, Trump would have been banned long ago.
 
Can you believe what this ****er is saying:

Nunes says. “I want the internet completely wiped of all the fake news stories,

He's a public figure, that makes the bar even higher...I would be surprised if this goes anywhere. Like always, he can lie and defame people with immunity as he's acting like it's work for congress, but for everyone else, he wants the hammer.

I hope you rot in hell Nunes.

Might just be taking a jab at twitter:
Nunes says he hopes Twitter will at least show the public its algorithms it uses, “so the public can see exactly how they are governing their platforms.”
 
Nunes is a public figure, so the laws against slander are different for him. If Twitter banned people for lying and slandering people, Trump would have been banned long ago.

Well, and here is the thing, bearpoker: While I believe that the slander laws against so-called "public figures" have been consistently wrongly-decided (and thankfully has been pared back), a public figure is still entitled to protect their good name from false and defamatory statements.

Let me give you an example: If you were to run for public office and became, say, a city alderwoman, I cannot then go and falsely accuse you of being a child molester and be immune from civil liability. Even though you are a public figure, you still have the right to preserve your good name against false and defamatory content and sue me for defamation. You would also get to sue the publisher of my defamatory content if, for example, a newspaper ran the article against you without doing any research into the story before running it.

Likewise, Nunes is entitled to bring a suit against Twitter and these users for publishing false and defamatory content against him, if indeed these statements were false and defamatory.
 
On what grounds, if I may RaleBulgarian? Procedural? Failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted?

EDIT: Cute sign by the way. As a resident of Nunes' district, I love it when anonymous authors apologize on behalf of other people with whom they do not share political opinions. :roll:

Could the defendants be held liable for libel?

According to First Amendment attorney Floyd Abrams: The speech involved is protected for several reasons.

“Rep. Nunes seems to think the First Amendment exists to protect him from his critics when it’s actually meant to protect his critics from him,” said Abrams, calling the suit “bizarre” and “likely unconstitutional.”

As an initial matter, the First Amendment applies only to government conduct, and “Twitter is not the government,” Abrams said.

Libel is a technical term, legally. It’s a written defamatory statement. The landmark Supreme Court case, New York Times v. Sullivan, made clear that when the plaintiff is a public official (which Nunes is, as a U.S. congressman), to succeed in a libel case, he or she has to prove that the alleged defamatory statement was false and the publisher either knew it was untrue or had serious doubts about its veracity.

Years after that pivotal case, in a lawsuit very similar to Nunes’s, Jerry Falwell sued Hustler magazine for a satirical advertisement that portrayed him in an outhouse having sex with his mother. The court rejected Falwell’s claim that Hustler violated the First Amendment, ruling that although the ad was provocative and insulting, a public figure was not protected from “patently offensive speech.”

According to Abrams, courts also have a history of ruling that speech that is “most obviously hyperbole” or “fighting words” is protected.

Abrams said that the statements Nunes alleges are defamatory are “precisely what the First Amendment protects,” including insults, charges of misconduct and attacks on a sitting member of Congress. “The public is allowed to and is protected when it criticizes — even in the harshest terms — people serving in public office,” he added.

Is Twitter responsible for mean tweets posted on the platform?

In 1996, Congress passed the Communications Decency Act, providing broad protection for materials posted on the Internet, including social media platforms like Twitter and Facebook. Under Section 230 of the Act, these tech giants are viewed as distributors, not publishers, and are shielded from liability.

“Unless the platform is actually a co-creator of the content, it’s simply distributing,” Stuart Karle, former general counsel for the Wall Street Journal and the former chief operating officer of Reuters News, told The Post.

Generally, a site would not be responsible for a user who posts objectionable content; inviting and encouraging users to post is not usually viewed as contributing content. Courts look to whether the host has acted as a neutral middleman, or if it created or disseminated the information. If it turns out to be the latter, the court could hold the platform liable.

Nunes’ possible ulterior motive
What’s the end game?

Even if Nunes loses the lawsuit and appeal, Karle theorized, the congressman is creating an opening for the Supreme Court to reconsider defamation of public officials and overturn the statute passed by Congress.

As a lawmaker, Nunes is uniquely positioned to change the law by introducing legislation.

“For a congressman to complain that Twitter should be liable when that plainly isn’t the law . . . it looks like someone who wants to take this up for law reform,” Karle said. “He’s beginning the legal process to redo the jurisprudence.”
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I wouldn’t put it past the butt snorkeler.

Nunes didn’t exactly get re-elected in a landslide, so it’s entirely reasonable to believe many in your district concur with the humorous pic I included in my last post.
 
If what he says is true, that Twitter allowed someone to continue making false and defamatory statements against him, and prevented him from responding against them on the platform, then I hope he is able to win his defamation lawsuit against Twitter.

You need to at least acknowledge that there's long-standing protections for satire directed against public figures. E.g. Hustler Magazine v. Falwell - Wikipedia

Hustler Magazine, Inc. v. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46 (1988), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that the First and Fourteenth Amendments prohibit public figures from recovering damages for the tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress (IIED), if the emotional distress was caused by a caricature, parody, or satire of the public figure that a reasonable person would not have interpreted as factual.[1]

Review the posts on this board for just a day, and you'll almost surely find "defamatory" statements against Trump and other public figures. If you want the moderators/owners of this site subject to crippling lawsuits for not doing a good enough job banning them or deleting their comments, then it's fine to support Nunes' efforts here. But that's the standard Nunes is trying to establish with his lawsuit.

The moderators DO a good job of policing attacks on other DP members, but don't censor attacks on Pelosi or AOC or Trump or Nunes, etc, and there's a good policy reason for that here and on Twitter. If we cannot poke fun, mock, deride, etc. our leaders, and the law provides them with a massive club to stifle dissent, and satire and parody and mockery are effective forms of dissent, then what good is 'free speech?' Here's the still remaining account:

Devin Nunes’ cow
@DevinCow
Hanging out on the dairy in Iowa looking for the lil’ treasonous cowpoke. TheRealDevinCow@gmail.com

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I think reasonable people would see the account and conclude it's "caricature, parody, or satire of the public figure."

I know you also said Twitter 'prevented him from responding' but there is no evidence for that, in the lawsuit or otherwise. There's no allegation in the lawsuit Nunes even reported the accounts and Twitter ignored those complaints. What we do know is Nunes' mom did complain about the parody account "Nunes' Mom" and they took that account down.


Since Twitter has full discretionary editorial control over its users and the content they post, and the owners of Twitter can kick people off that they do not like, they are acting not like a platform but rather as a publisher.

But they don't have "full discretionary editorial control." There are at least hundreds of millions of accounts posting billions of tweets per day.

And publishers can be sued for allowing the publishing of false and defamatory content.

Even assuming the status as "publisher" which is specifically contradicted by existing law, See, Hustler v. Falwell.
 
Well, and here is the thing, bearpoker: While I believe that the slander laws against so-called "public figures" have been consistently wrongly-decided (and thankfully has been pared back), a public figure is still entitled to protect their good name from false and defamatory statements.

Let me give you an example: If you were to run for public office and became, say, a city alderwoman, I cannot then go and falsely accuse you of being a child molester and be immune from civil liability. Even though you are a public figure, you still have the right to preserve your good name against false and defamatory content and sue me for defamation. You would also get to sue the publisher of my defamatory content if, for example, a newspaper ran the article against you without doing any research into the story before running it.

Likewise, Nunes is entitled to bring a suit against Twitter and these users for publishing false and defamatory content against him, if indeed these statements were false and defamatory.

You mean like this case:

Judge throws out defamation case brought against Style Weekly by Hanover supervisor | Hanover County | richmond.com

This is a defamation case pursued by the same attorney Nunes has hired...
 
Well, and here is the thing, bearpoker: While I believe that the slander laws against so-called "public figures" have been consistently wrongly-decided (and thankfully has been pared back), a public figure is still entitled to protect their good name from false and defamatory statements.

Let me give you an example: If you were to run for public office and became, say, a city alderwoman, I cannot then go and falsely accuse you of being a child molester and be immune from civil liability. Even though you are a public figure, you still have the right to preserve your good name against false and defamatory content and sue me for defamation. You would also get to sue the publisher of my defamatory content if, for example, a newspaper ran the article against you without doing any research into the story before running it.

Likewise, Nunes is entitled to bring a suit against Twitter and these users for publishing false and defamatory content against him, if indeed these statements were false and defamatory.

I have by no means seen all the statements against Nunes. Those I have seen have been non specific, to say the least, along the lines of comparing him to excrement and so forth. Nobody takes stuff like that for statements of fact.
 
On what grounds, if I may RaleBulgarian? Procedural? Failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted?

EDIT: Cute sign by the way. As a resident of Nunes' district, I love it when anonymous authors apologize on behalf of other people with whom they do not share political opinions. :roll:

The sign is an example of why we have protected speech, so citizens can say mean things about our leaders and not fear jail or bankruptcy, or any other retribution from the state. If I say on here, "Trump is a bought and paid for Putin stooge, money laundering tax cheat who is being blackmailed by the pee tape, and is a clear and present danger to the United States, not to mention serial liar, who gets off on ogling naked underage girls" there are several parts of that arguably libelous, and using your standard Trump could sue me and DP for publishing that statement.

Is that really what you think is the right standard?

The danger isn't even that Trump might win the lawsuit, but allowing it to go forward with the power of both Trump's $billions and the power of the state that he controls, the lawsuit (win or lose) could ruin me and shutter DP, bankrupting the owners and moderators. I think it's good we don't have to worry about that outcome, and a regime in which that's a desired outcome (using your standard, it would be) is scary as hell.
 
If what he says is true, that Twitter allowed someone to continue making false and defamatory statements against him, and prevented him from responding against them on the platform, then I hope he is able to win his defamation lawsuit against Twitter. Since Twitter has full discretionary editorial control over its users and the content they post, and the owners of Twitter can kick people off that they do not like, they are acting not like a platform but rather as a publisher. And publishers can be sued for allowing the publishing of false and defamatory content.

No, actually, social media sites don't work that way. They have Terms of Use.

For Nunes to win a case of libel, which is basically what this is, he will have to prove that the alleged offender is wrong. For example, if someone calls you an asshat and you sue them for it, be prepared to prove you're not an asshat.

Nunes is making a fool of himself. Public figures cannot sue you for saying bad things about them. If he wants all those meanies to stop picking on him, he needs to find a different job. Perhaps one he can actually DO.
 
If what he says is true, that Twitter allowed someone to continue making false and defamatory statements against him, and prevented him from responding against them on the platform, then I hope he is able to win his defamation lawsuit against Twitter. Since Twitter has full discretionary editorial control over its users and the content they post, and the owners of Twitter can kick people off that they do not like, they are acting not like a platform but rather as a publisher. And publishers can be sued for allowing the publishing of false and defamatory content.

Trump posts nasty little tweets about others DAILY. Should they sue him?

If someone publicly calls you a moron, and you sue them for libel or slander of defamation or whatever, the buden is on you to prove they're lying, prove you're not a moron. Not much chance of that in this case. Poor widdle snowflake ... so many people being mean to him! Find a private sector job, Devin. Like, maybe something you are actually capable of DOING.
 
Yes, I do realize that, Praxas. And Twitter can and should be held responsible for false and defamatory statements that Donald Trump makes if they choose to exercise editorial control over some users but not him. Once you act like a publisher, you get to be treated like a publisher.



I argue that you do not cede your right to your good name (as in your freedom from false and defamatory accusations) just because you are a public official or on any given part of the political spectrum.

Sorry, but a public figure's "good name" ends where my 1st Amendment rights begin. Twitter is in no way responsible for people stating their opinions of this little weasel, or any other. If I wanted to go on Twitter and call the president a grifter and a flim flam man, I am completely within my constitutional rights to do so. This sort of thing, blasting those in power when we dislike them without fear of repercussions, is what the 1st Amendment is FOR.
 
Glad we could agree on that.



I am happy to, Praxas. I think people who Trump has slandered have a right both against him and against any company (including Twitter) who publish his false and defamatory statements. I argue that no one has an absolute right to make or disseminate false accusations and defamatory statements against other people, and that everyone has a right to preserve their good name no matter their political persuasion.

The key word there is false. What did any of these anti-Nunes tweets say that wasn't true? I don't use Twitter so I don't know exactly what he's crying about.
 
Everyone seems to have a victim complex when they are given the short end of the stick that is public scrutiny. The problem with this case is that only roughly half the people would probably side with Nunes, not so much out of principle but mainly partisanship and half would stand against him, again, not out of principle but partisanship.

I stand against him out of principle of the 1st Amendment type. Plus, I agree with his detractors -- Nunes is an asshat.
 
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