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Just what the DEm's need, another unqualified candidate for President!

Go Dems!

It is seeming more and more clear to me that Trump will be reelected in an electoral college landslide.

WTF?
 
noonereal said:
Just what the DEm's need, another unqualified candidate for President!

Go Dems!

It is seeming more and more clear to me that Trump will be reelected in an electoral college landslide.

WTF?
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Who do you think they should elect?

I like Buttigieg. I think he should run for some higher offices before running for president, but I really like the guy so far. He's also smart enough to see that right now is the only time that a mayor from a relatively small city could actually win. Donald Trump is so ill-equipped to be president and is so uninformed that the question of "is this the most qualified person" goes out the window. Now the bar has been lowered to "Will this person appoint an unregistered foreign agent as his national security advisor?/Will this person trash american war heroes?/Will this person be paying off porn stars to keep quiet?/Will this person lie about his finances and business dealings to the american people?" etc.
 
noonereal said:
Just what the DEm's need, another unqualified candidate for President!

Go Dems!

It is seeming more and more clear to me that Trump will be reelected in an electoral college landslide.

WTF?
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What makes him unqualified? He meets all the Constitutional requirements and he's had executive experience since he was 29 years old. Not to mention the fact he is smart as hell (Harvard magna cum lauda), was re-elected mayor with 80% of the vote, and he is an Afghanistan War veteran. You seriously think people would vote for Trump over Mayor Pete because of experience? Lol.
 
noonereal said:
Just what the DEm's need, another unqualified candidate for President!

Go Dems!

It is seeming more and more clear to me that Trump will be reelected in an electoral college landslide.

WTF?
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Few were as qualified as Hillary Clinton, and look what happened.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Who do you think they should elect?

I like Buttigieg. I think he should run for some higher offices before running for president, but I really like the guy so far. He's also smart enough to see that right now is the only time that a mayor from a relatively small city could actually win. Donald Trump is so ill-equipped to be president and is so uninformed that the question of "is this the most qualified person" goes out the window. Now the bar has been lowered to "Will this person appoint an unregistered foreign agent as his national security advisor?/Will this person trash american war heroes?/Will this person be paying off porn stars to keep quiet?/Will this person lie about his finances and business dealings to the american people?" etc.
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I totally agree with this post.

I to liked Buttigieg's answers today on Morning Joe. MUCH better than the crap coming out of Gillibrand, Pocahontas, Klobuchar, Bozo Beto, Bernie... but he is 38. that is much worse than Crazy Joe being 76.

Indeed, get elected to the House, then the Senate then come back.

Losing a Senate race in TX does not qualify one to be President although that is being pushed in our face too.
 
Geoist said:
Few were as qualified as Hillary Clinton, and look what happened.
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Fair point. But is it too much to ask that we get a mix of qualifications and electability?
 
noonereal said:
His age and experience.
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He has over a decade's-worth of executive experience. He is 37 years old, two years older than the minimum requirement and would be around 40 by the time of the 2020 Inauguration.


South Bend is a town of 100,000 people.
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And? He has executive experience, which is more than can be said about most of the Democratic field, so far.
 
noonereal said:
I totally agree with this post.

I to liked Buttigieg's answers today on Morning Joe. MUCH better than the crap coming out of Gillibrand, Pocahontas, Klobuchar, Bozo Beto, Bernie... but he is 38. that is much worse than Crazy Joe being 76.

Indeed, get elected to the House, then the Senate then come back.

Losing a Senate race in TX does not qualify one to be President although that is being pushed in our face too.
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Also, much better than the absolute vile and hatred and utter insanity coming out of Trumps mouth.

Under most circumstances I'd say he needs more experience. Against Trump, he's over qualified for the job. It won't be a very effective attack, and would not stop me from voting for him against Trump.

You didn't answer my question of who you think they should nominate.
 
noonereal said:
Indeed, get elected to the House, then the Senate then come back.
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18 out of 45 presidents served in the House.

16 out of 45 presidents served in the Senate.

And one of the 20th century's best presidents (imho), Eisenhower, did not serve an elected position before becoming president.
 
Geoist said:
He has over a decade's-worth of executive experience. He is 37 years old, two years older than the minimum requirement and would be around 40 by the time of the 2020 Inauguration.




And? He has executive experience, which is more than can be said about most of the Democratic field, so far.
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My standars are higher than yours. It's that simple.

Would I vote for him instead of Trump?

I'd LITTERALLY vote for the crack whore who works Broad and Mccarter at night rather than Trump.
 
Geoist said:
18 out of 45 presidents served in the House.

16 out of 45 presidents served in the Senate.

And one of the 20th century's best presidents (imho), Eisenhower, did not serve an elected position before becoming president.
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Your argument is a logical fallacy, you do realize this?

38 is too young, period.
 
noonereal said:
My standars are higher than yours. It's that simple.
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My high standards are exactly why I support Mayor Pete. I just don't let ageism cloud my judgement.
 
noonereal said:
Your argument is a logical fallacy, you do realize this?

38 is too young, period.
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How is it a 'logical fallacy?' You say he needs to run for Congress first. Well, most of our presidents did not serve in Congress. Why is 38 too young?
 
noonereal said:
Your argument is a logical fallacy, you do realize this?

38 is too young, period.
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Actually, it's not.

If someone makes the argument:

A1: This person needs experience in the house or senate before he can be president.

Then it's fair to point out that many presidents, arguably even really good ones, did not have that experience.
 
Geoist said:
18 out of 45 presidents served in the House.

16 out of 45 presidents served in the Senate.

And one of the 20th century's best presidents (imho), Eisenhower, did not serve an elected position before becoming president.
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How much overlap is in those number?


Served in both houses?
 
noonereal said:
Your argument is a logical fallacy, you do realize this?

38 is too young, period.
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I thought we were done with “fallacies”........
 
Geoist said:
How is it a 'logical fallacy?' You say he needs to run for Congress first. Well, most of our presidents did not serve in Congress. Why is 38 too young?
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38 is too young because you simply have not had enough years to learn the real world.

It's a fallacy because I did not say you HAD to be a representative and a Senator first but you assigned me that position. You know I only offered it as a sample template.
 
Of all of the candidates thus far, only two have caught my attention: Buttagieg and Beto. The former because he always comes off as intelligent and well-versed in every interview I've seen of him, and Beto because he is a closeted conservative!
 
Well, he does present himself well.
His resume is pretty impressive.
To me his age is irrelevant.
And he does appear to have thought about policy ... I didn't say thought through policy.
Sad to say but he does have an advantage in that many may be reluctant to criticize him for fear of being called homophobic.
 
Rexedgar said:
How much overlap is in those number?


Served in both houses?
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Presidents who served in both:

John Quincy Adams
Andrew Jackson
William Henry Harrison
John Tyler
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
John F Kennedy
Lyndon B. Johnson
Richard Nixon

So, essentially, some of our worst presidents were the 'most qualified.' :2razz:
 
roughdraft274 said:
Actually, it's not.

If someone makes the argument:

A1: This person needs experience in the house or senate before he can be president.

Then it's fair to point out that many presidents, arguably even really good ones, did not have that experience.
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I did not say one must take a specific path. I offered a reasonable template to follow. Had I said you must be a rep and then senator, that would be different.

He falsely, as are you, assigning me a position I did not take.

And just because someone becomes president without proper experience does not make it acceptable in others.

So the post was faulty logic in two ways.
 
Geoist said:
Presidents who served in both:

John Quincy Adams
Andrew Jackson
William Henry Harrison
John Tyler
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
John F Kennedy
Lyndon B. Johnson
Richard Nixon

So, essentially, some of our worst presidents were the 'most qualified.' :2razz:
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This does not even make one the most qualified. Hill was one of the most highly qualified ever and she only spent one term in the Senate.

I think you may have too much time on your hands so argue over nothing just to continue a dialog.
 
noonereal said:
38 is too young because you simply have not had enough years to learn the real world.
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I disagree. I know young people who are wise beyond their years. On the flipside, I know older people who never became wise. Pete is clearly the former.


It's a fallacy because I did not say you HAD to be a representative and a Senator first but you assigned me that position. You know I only offered it as a sample template.
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Alright, fair enough. I still disagree with your claim that someone like Mayor Pete can't get elected today because of 'inexperience.' It is clear the American Voters do not value that experience as much as they used to. To many of them, that 'experience' means ties to the Establishment and is an immediate turnoff.
 
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