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LOL Beto!

pilot16 said:
If you are a centrist or moderate sure. Problem is these days the extremes are fighting like mad to take control. They are painting the majority of candidates as bad. Some are playing into it. Biden never should have said "I am the most progressive candidate ever." He should have said he was a liberal and a democrat and proud of it. Now he has given the extremes something to laugh at and use it for memes.
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What year did he say that?
 
trouble13 said:
Nope they are hers

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Legally both theirs. My wife counts her blessings every day that she didn't marry a Conservative A-hole who thinks the house and kids are all her responsibility.
 
Ikari said:
It is true that it is the parent's job as a team to raise children and parents need to share in the household duties and responsibilities. That being said, I think his statement was rather innocent and was acknowledging all the hard work and dedication his wife has put into their family. I think people getting upset at it are going one toke over the line and reading into it far more than is actually there.
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You mean like when they label one remark "an apology tour"?
(which by the way is a RW term - possibly even a Frank Luntz creation)
 
LastResort20 said:
LOL! ....^^^

Would love for sweaty "Beto" to be the chosen one for the Democrat (Leftist) party....to go against Mr Trump....should be fun for "all" Americans to see....Heck...even crazy Bernie would make it interesting and fun to watch....:)

Beto can run on...more taxes... Socialism...open borders aborting babies and giving more money to Iran and NK (maybe they will leave us alone if we pay them and remain submissive)


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Trinity? Is that you?
 
There was nothing wrong with how Beto said it. There IS something wrong with how the OP said it, though.

Obviously it is both parents job to raise the kids. How they break down that division of labor is up to them. Traditionally, and probably still more often than not in the first years, the husband works outside the house to earn money and the wife is at home with the child. But those rolls can be reversed. Both can work and use daycare. And of course there are also single parents who who have the tough job of doing it all.

I like self-effacing humor in a person. What Beto said was a self-effacing joke and a compliment to his wife. Jokes are often hyperbolic. On occasion I have pointed out that conservatives have almost no good standup comedians. The best comedians seem to be libertarian or a bit liberal. But I am increasingly beginning to believe that the far left is losing its sense of humor. Stop taking everything so damn seriously. It feels like the mood in this country is getting darker by the day. We NEED humor. Life without laughter isn’t worth living.

Stop Stifling Joy!

:)
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Really so you’re married to some guy who doesn’t work and just stays home and does nothing?

Yes in some cases women outearn men, my own parents marriage is like this, my father cleans the house cooks meals etc and my mother works. This is not the norm. This is anomaly. And in most cases where women out earn men the women divorce. This makes their situation a double anomaly.

Yes most men outearn most women and It is scientifically true men are willing to work more hours, more dangerous jobs, more willing to move for careers etc.
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No, my husband works. And so do I. And for the record, I make a lot more money than he does. I work more hours than he does. I have to move around the country and the world for my job. He gets to stay home and play hockey. No, we aren't getting divorced. We've been married almost 30 years.

No, it is not the anomaly. Not in the real world. Maybe in the Neanderthal world.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Except having joined the thread late you missed the important point that started the discussion. Beta went on apology tour for saying his wife spent more time raising children (as it should be) and the criticism was from a feminist professor (whom I quoted in context) who said “it is not a mother’s job to raise children” that sentence means it is not the role of a mother at all to raise children. And Tres immediately jumps on the side of feminist professor who says this.

And makes a straw man argument. I never said men shouldn’t raise children, only that it’s a mother’s job to raise her children. The only counter that you can logically make is the extreme position the professor took


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So in addition to making stupid posts, now you're lying too. "Tres" didn't jump in on the side of any feminist professor. "Tres" jumped in to point out the naked and colossal ignorance of your Neanderthal claim that it's the mother's job to raise the children. Since then, you have doubled down on the caveman ignorance, to your own detriment.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I disagree. If Beto is subject to a sustained negative campaign he stands maybe a 50-50 chance at best, and since he’s obviously a weak willed person next to genuine alpha male Donald Trump I think it’s Lower
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Alpha male?

Hahahahahahahaha....

The only time Donald shows "courage" and "strength" is on Twitter and when he is in his safe-space rallies.

Hahahahahahahaha...
 
Airyaman said:
Alpha male?

Hahahahahahahaha....

The only time Donald shows "courage" and "strength" is on Twitter and when he is in his safe-space rallies.

Hahahahahahahaha...
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Yeah a real he-man who colors his bouffant hairdo, wears orange rouge and who used his bone spurs as any coward would.

Whatever happened to real conservatives?
 
SoCal said:
Yeah a real he-man who colors his bouffant hairdo, wears orange rouge and who used his bone spurs as any coward would.

Whatever happened to real conservatives?
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I mean, anyone who insults dead people, that's alpha right?
 
TrueScotsman said:
Legally both theirs. My wife counts her blessings every day that she didn't marry a Conservative A-hole who thinks the house and kids are all her responsibility.
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I only asked why shouldn't they be since it's their sole decision if they are born or not. If she does not want to raise her children she should of killed them before they escaped her womb. The law defends her ability to kill children.

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Airyaman said:
Alpha male?

Hahahahahahahaha....

The only time Donald shows "courage" and "strength" is on Twitter and when he is in his safe-space rallies.

Hahahahahahahaha...
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Nothing screams "alpha" more than a man who spends his days attacking a dead person.
 
trouble13 said:
I only asked why shouldn't they be since it's their sole decision if they are born or not. If she does not want to raise her children she should of killed them before they escaped her womb. The law defends her ability to kill children.

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It's against the law to kill a child.
 
pilot16 said:
Biden? He said it this weekend.

Biden: ‘I have the most progressive record of anybody who would run’ - WHYY
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Biden: The last of the old pot warriors.
Biden: Private prisons
Biden: Three strikes
Biden: Mandatory sentencing
Biden: No Pell Grants for parolees
Biden: Anita Hill
Biden: Student loan debt for life

Not exactly a shining beacon of light in any liberal sense.
I would want to get some clarification as to whether Joe Biden 2019 has evolved from Joe Biden 2009, or Joe Biden 1994.
And if so, what is he willing to do about some of the unintended consequences he played a role in creating.
And I'd like to see who he would consider as a running mate, and what their role would be.

Definitely NOT progressive and not my first choice.
 
So, in the video accompanying the rubric article, the interviewer notes that one of the criticisms re: Beto is that he hasn't any notable legislation to his name. Well, be that as it may, he does have public policy making and government operational/procedural experience.

Seriously? How can that now be legitimate a criticism of anyone who'd now run for POTUS?

Whatever....



From the article:
O’Rourke, a father of three, was speaking at a coffee shop when he said of his wife, Amy, “She is raising, sometimes with my help,” their three kids.

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While O'Rourke's comments did seem in praise of his wife, Amy, his words are "not harmless," according to Caity Collins, assistant professor of sociology at Washington University in St. Louis and the author of "Making Motherhood Work: How Women Manage Careers and Caregiving."

"I’m not at all surprised. I’m disappointed, but I’m not at all surprised," she said of O'Rourke's comments. "[His remarks] suggest that it's a mom's job to raise kids, and having that very unequal division of labor has disastrous consequences for women both at home and in the workforce."

"When someone makes comments like this on the national political stage, it implies that it’s woman’s natural or inherent duty to raise kids," Collins added. "That's not going to change until all men and men think and act like equal partners, especially when they’re on a national stage like this."

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"I want to make sure that Amy and I, Ulysses, Molly, and Henry, our three kiddos who are 10, 12, and 8, we’re all good with this, we’re all on the same page," O'Rourke told [an interviewer]. "For the last seven years, my family hasn’t seen me. I haven’t been there for them, I haven’t helped Amy in raising these amazing kids in any significant, consistent way."​

Regarding the above remarks excerpted from the rubric article:
Red:
Abductively, I don't concur with Dr. Collins fulmination that Beto's remarks imply it's positively or normatively a "mom's job to raise kids;" furthermore, I disagree that one may rightly or should infer Beto's remarks allude to his ascribing to either stance. Beto's remark attests to the nature of his own homelife, but I see nothing suggesting Beto'd have his remarks (re-)animate an extant or sought norm or ideal modelled on his family's dynamic.​

Dr. Collins tacitly refers to there being a situationally-driven dichotomy between the implications of Beto's comment. She seems of the mind that such a remark made on a "national political stage" is connotatively broader in scope than were it uttered it in a less tumidly fraught rhetorical context, perhaps that of college comrades conversing over cocktails.

Well, she may be right, and I just don't know so, for as neither a linguist nor political scientist, I'm limited by what standard English and reason allow me to make of strangers' comments. Perhaps sociology has findings that found the implied meaning Dr. Collins assigned to Beto's comment?

But if Dr. Collins is right and given the rhetorical context of Beto's remarks, how, then, is a political candidate to sincerely, transparently share the facts of her/his circumstance and background without being subjected to criticism based on recondite research and analysis.


Blue:
I have my doubts about the inequality in the distribution of labor, unless the labor Dr. Collins has in mind is that of childrearing, which it may be. If she means the various tasks of parenting -- wake the kids, feed them, dress them, usher them to school and to their extracurriculars, advise them, chide them, develop a relationship with them, amuse them, etc. -- well, sure, the distribution of those labors, I would think, must necessarily have been unequal because Beto's political career unavoidably made him a road warrior of sorts.

The labor I thought of when I read Dr. Collins' remark was that of "sustaining a family." She may think of that as a goal rather than as an activity, set of tasks, labor. I wouldn't slight her for thinking so, for I think of it as both labor and a goal couples may opt to pursue, but I sure wish Ms. Kindelan had more clearly/expositively shared Dr. Collins' contextual vantage point pertaining to her remark about the disparity of labor distribution. After all, context is, as some say, "everything."


Pink:
Beto's "pink" remark clearly states a fact, not an opinion or cultural, policy or legislative initiative. What is there to say about that? If the man wasn't often physically present, well, he just wasn't. Had one rather he lie about it?​
 
trouble13 said:
I only asked why shouldn't they be since it's their sole decision if they are born or not. If she does not want to raise her children she should of killed them before they escaped her womb. The law defends her ability to kill children.

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Her body. When babies start forming in the wombs of men, they can decide.
 
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