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Here's where social progressives take us

Felis Leo said:
Let us put aside the partisanship for a moment. People who think it is okay to physically engage with people they dislike on account of those people holding horrible opinions or saying horrible things lose any sympathy I would have otherwise had for them. If you throw an egg or punch someone who says nasty things, and they turn around and throw an even better, well-placed punch, do not come crying to me.
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It's a funny thing, Felis. I find myself agreeing with you, while at the same time thinking "If you say outrageous, offensive, devastatingly cruel things about entire demographics, and someone turns around and throws an even better, well-placed punch, do not come crying to me". It's not that I think the punch is right, which is why I have been saying all along the kid should face consequences. It's just...I find it hard to find a **** to give for people who go out of their way to be cruel. :shrug: **** 'em.
 
OlNate said:
lmao...ok, feeling less ripped off now. :lol: ;)

Nice pun, too. Though not nice enough to make me stop hoping his approval rating goes down under, and he's forced to walkabout out of there.

PS: I am officially the funniest man alive.
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Funny how? Funny like a clown?
You amuse me. ;)
 
snakestretcher said:
Like I said, grow a pair. It's a friggin' harmless egg that you're getting hysterical about! And so what? In your country you can get arrested for crossing the street in the wrong place! What a country!
People break laws to make political points all the time; how do you think women's suffrage was achieved. By staying home and writing sternly worded letters to the press?
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And what country are you from?
In our country free speech rights are protected rights at political rallies.
Don't like those rights, don't come to the political rally.

Arresting someone for jaywalking, and comparing it the the protection of speech rights is lame.
 
That kid has some big balls. That dude is huge.
 
trixare4kids said:
And what country are you from?
In our country free speech rights are protected rights at political rallies.
Don't like those rights, don't come to the political rally.

Arresting someone for jaywalking, and comparing it the the protection of speech rights is lame.
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The 'assault' happened in Australia. I'm from England. Freedom of expression comes with responsibilities; one being not using it as a pretext for being a dick. I love how your 'president' is such a supporter of free speech at his rallies that he encourages violence against those who dare speak up against him, while also attempting to gag the press. What was your point again?
 
trixare4kids said:
Nothing wrong with my ability to decipher context. Your pov comes across ignorantly.
Learn a few simple rhetorical tools. Write, you, the collective you or couch your statements by saying, one who spews racism and bigotry, blah, blah. blah...
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I'll be sure to keep in mind that I have to write for the lowest common denominator in the future. (That's you, I'm calling you the LCD.) [Does that help? I understand that sometimes you need things spelled out to you. So I hope the parenthesis and brackets help in comprehension.]

trixare4kids said:
And I disagree that people should ever be egged for their speech. Booed, yes, seriously condemned, yes, but like it or not, tossing an egg on someone's head is violence, albeit, not severe violence, but it still is a violent act and that is much worse than the crap coming out of an elected's mouth.
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No I [I as in me, a name I call myself] disagree. I don't think egging a racist is worse than racism. [Slapping or tossing an egg onto someone] This is where context [situations that change due to other circumstances] comes into play once again. Violence against speech is normally wrong. Violence against racist rhetoric and hate speech is a perfectly reasonable reaction. Richard Spencer was booed all the time and it only gave him more publicity. It wasn't until people [Sane people who don't tolerate racism in the public forum] started punching him square in his weak jaw that he started to get squirlley about where he went to speak about his racism and White Nationalism.

It should be noted [to keep tabs and check up on] that you [you, Trix, the person protecting racism and hate speech] refuses to infuse the context.
 
snakestretcher said:
The 'assault' happened in Australia. I'm from England. Freedom of expression comes with responsibilities; one being not using it as a pretext for being a dick. I love how your 'president' is such a supporter of free speech at his rallies that he encourages violence against those who dare speak up against him, while also attempting to gag the press. What was your point again?
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Sorry, but the "hate speech" category gets arbitrarily widened by the left until it includes any speech they disagree with. It is a tool used to shut people up. I say let people say ANYTHING they want, short of inciting violence and we can all decide if what they are saying has merit. The left doesn't like that because it forces them to defend things they often cannot defend.
 
veritas1 said:
Sorry, but the "hate speech" category gets arbitrarily widened by the left until it includes any speech they disagree with. It is a tool used to shut people up. I say let people say ANYTHING they want, short of inciting violence and we can all decide if what they are saying has merit. The left doesn't like that because it forces them to defend things they often cannot defend.
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And if that hate speech is used to incite violence, what do you have to say about that? Is it ok with you, or does the conservative mantra of 'personal responsibility' not apply?
You are currently hosting Abu Hamza whom you wanted us to extradite to you for precisely that reason; inciteful hate-mongering.
 
veritas1 said:
Sorry, but the "hate speech" category gets arbitrarily widened by the left until it includes any speech they disagree with.
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Are you willing to say that the Senator who got egged was spewing hate speech?
 
snakestretcher said:
And if that hate speech is used to incite violence, what do you have to say about that? Is it ok with you, or does the conservative mantra of 'personal responsibility' not apply?
You are currently hosting Abu Hamza whom you wanted us to extradite to you for precisely that reason; inciteful hate-mongering.
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That brings us back to what hate speech is. I'm not sure that pointing out Muslim terrorism is hate speech. Something may be off the wall and people can usually identify such statements. Shutting people up is not a real solution. If he breaks the law, prosecute him. Otherwise, engage in the arena of ideas and, if yours are superior, you will prevail.
 
veritas1 said:
I'd have to know exactly what he said.
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"What I said was that this was a terribly unfortunate thing, a tragedy. But, it's going to be, eventually accepted or-- expected that these kind of things happen when people are getting attacked in their own--"

In a memo, he espoused:

“I am utterly opposed to any form of violence within our community, and I totally condemn the actions of the gunman,” Anning said. “However, whilst this kind of violent vigilantism can never be justified, what it highlights is the growing fear within our community, both in Australia and New Zealand of the increasing Muslim presence.”

Oh yeah, and the **** called for a "Final Solution" referencing Hitler towards Muslim Immigration.

New Zealand mosque shooting: Australian senator Fraser Anning blames attack on Muslim immigrants - Vox
 
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Lutherf said:
A guy gets assaulted then defends himself and HE is the one that committed the greater crime...just because you don't like what he has to say.
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Careful there bro, don't want to assault you while I make this omelet.

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CMPancake said:


"What I said was that this was a terribly unfortunate thing, a tragedy. But, it's going to be, eventually accepted or-- expected that these kind of things happen when people are getting attacked in their own--"

In a memo, he espoused:

“I am utterly opposed to any form of violence within our community, and I totally condemn the actions of the gunman,” Anning said. “However, whilst this kind of violent vigilantism can never be justified, what it highlights is the growing fear within our community, both in Australia and New Zealand of the increasing Muslim presence.”

Oh yeah, and the **** called for a "Final Solution" referencing Hitler towards Muslim Immigration.

New Zealand mosque shooting: Australian senator Fraser Anning blames attack on Muslim immigrants - Vox
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People are free to disagree with his view that Muslim immigration has led to tensions in Australia but I'm not sure that I see incitements to violence here. "Final solution" was a terrible choice of words but do people really think he wants Muslims exterminated? Hitting the guy with an egg, or any other thing, is not an answer. The answer is to unseat him at the polls. Otherwise, people have to put up with him the way we have to put up with certain far out characters here.
 
veritas1 said:
People are free to disagree with his view that Muslim immigration has led to tensions in Australia but I'm not sure that I see incitements to violence here. "Final solution" was a terrible choice of words but do people really think he wants Muslims exterminated?
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Considering his earlier statements, and then later saying on camera that Muslims should "expect" to be shot in their place of worship I'm more than certain that Anning is a racist, big chief. Whether or not you want to infer that is between you and your morality. But if you wanna defend a guy who references Nazi levels of genocide be my guest.

veritas1 said:
Hitting the guy with an egg, or any other thing, is not an answer.
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Why not? Violence against people who advocated for a "Final Solution" worked back in the Greatest Generation, why isn't it good now?

veritas1 said:
The answer is to unseat him at the polls. Otherwise, people have to put up with him the way we have to put up with certain far out characters here.
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Even if you unseat him all the racist, White Nationalists from positions of power, they still have a platform to espouse hate speech and advocate for the murder of Muslims. **** White Nationalists, and **** people who use a tragedy to push racism. This is not the hill to die on.
 
snakestretcher said:
Yes, child's play. Just how lethal was that egg; was it a dangerous weapon, anyone's life at risk there? The only think that was hurt was the recipient's delicate ego. 'Assault', my arse! Some people need to grow a pair instead of whining! It was an egg ffs!
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Assault can be no more than unwanted infliction of physical contact. It can alternately be putting someone in fear of an imminent battery, and before you read to much into battery know that it is, you guessed, unwanted infliction of physical contact.

So, the kid did assault the guy. The guy assaulted him right back. Neither should whine, really.



Kid made a douchey disruptive attack and the bad old man gave him a weak slap. Take away the egg and they each gave each other a weak slap.

The only notable force was apparently used by the security/dudes around, but then that's the kind of force typically used when someone attacks a public official out of the blue. They don't know what the situation is.




This thread should not be 10 pages.
 
Mycroft said:
If that punk "child" had used a brick instead of an egg, the politician would be dead. Assault is assault.
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Yes, and if apples were quasars then apples would be quasars. Point?
 
CMPancake said:
Considering his earlier statements, and then later saying on camera that Muslims should "expect" to be shot in their place of worship I'm more than certain that Anning is a racist, big chief. Whether or not you want to infer that is between you and your morality. But if you wanna defend a guy who references Nazi levels of genocide be my guest.



Why not? Violence against people who advocated for a "Final Solution" worked back in the Greatest Generation, why isn't it good now?



Even if you unseat him all the racist, White Nationalists from positions of power, they still have a platform to espouse hate speech and advocate for the murder of Muslims. **** White Nationalists, and **** people who use a tragedy to push racism. This is not the hill to die on.
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You've yet to show me that he advocated for the murder of anyone. Having an unpopular position and not knowing when to shut up are small sacrifices to bear for the maintenance of free speech. If he broke some law, then charge him.
 
veritas1 said:
You've yet to show me that he advocated for the murder of anyone.
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I quoted and cited the video of him saying Muslim immigrants should expect to be shot in their Mosques, and that he believes a Final Solution is necessary for Muslim Immigration to Australia. But whatever, keep moving the goal posts further and further back in your defense of a White Nationalist. No one can say, I didn't give you an out.

veritas1 said:
Having an unpopular position and not knowing when to shut up are small sacrifices to bear for the maintenance of free speech.
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This isn't a topic of free speech, quit trying to implicate that it is. Do you think White Nationalists shouldn't be smacked upside the head when they express White Nationalism yes or no?

Oh, and don't think I'm not keeping tabs on the fact you're trying to minimize Anning's rhetoric as an "unpopular opinion." Pineapple on pizza is an unpopular opinion. Muslims should be exterminated from Australia like the Jews in Nazi Germany is hate speech.
 
CMPancake said:
I But whatever, keep moving the goal posts further and further back in your defense of a White Nationalist.
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Trump is a big supporter, so I don't think anyone is surprised to see similar attitudes from much of his base as they mimic Dear Leader.
 
Mr Person said:
Yes, and if apples were quasars then apples would be quasars. Point?
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You should probably read the thread to understand my point.
 
I didn't see the video.

Did the Senator know the 17 year old didn't have anything else to hit him with before he swung to hit the guy?
 
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