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Why do poorer, less educated whites still support Trump?

snakestretcher said:
Wrong:
Economic Record: President Obama
The economy, GDP, employment, all grew steadily under the Obama administration. Trump is taking credit for what he inherited from the previous administration.
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Any good during the Obama years were despite his best efforts. To his credit he did extend the Bush tax cuts; the totality of his economic effort. Q1, Q2 and near zero interest rates by the FED account for the rest. You might credit him for the pent up desire to grow again just as I credit him for the 1200 or so few Democrats in office and the opportunity to MAGA with Trump.

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Checkerboard Strangler said:
Walton...Sam Walton, but at least THIS much should be said about Sam Walton. While he was alive, Walmart was the 800 pound gorilla in large retail but Walton stuck to a Made In USA formula that guaranteed that most stuff sold in his store would be American made.

The moment the old man kicked the bucket, before he was even cold and stiff, his CHILDREN did a total 180 on Sam's Made in America policy.

At least while the old man was alive, the folks in flyover country could count on a job MAKING a lot of the stuff he sold in his Walmarts.
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Yes, Sam WALTON! Thanks for the clarification and additional background. :cheers:
 
haymarket said:
You bring up many solid points. There is also the point that many deplorables - and yes there are such people in America - feel a new license to come out from under their rocks because they see the President as one of them. Until we face that simple fact, we can never confront the reality of Trump.
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The best way to confront Trump is to vote his arse out in 2020. Send Trump and his crime syndicate family back to Trump tower. Make him a one hit wonder.
 
yankintx said:
The best way to confront Trump is to vote his arse out in 2020. Send Trump and his crime syndicate family back to Trump tower. Make him a one hit wonder.
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If we can hit that long.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
Right now I live in Tennessee, and out of the pocket of economic growth of the cities are the rural community. You can be in a rural community, and ever place you look around -- is trees and mountains. Yes, it is beautiful to see. People from out of state come to see the beauty of the Great Smokey Mountains. They come to Dollywood and spend millions of dollars. If you live 20 miles away, wealth is not there for you. There is illegal moonshine produced, and the local population becomes insane because the equipment was welled together with lead. With cooking the lead is leashed out and people get lead poisoning. If you live in the spine of the mountains, the local religion deals with snakes. It is illegal except for West Virginia. And a number of times in the year, someone dies with a snake bite. There is natural caves and abandoned coal mines. Illegal drugs are made there because there is no heat source. Cars are stolen and there are chop shops all over the place. Weed is produced in the natural forest, and produced close to the state boarder to prevent state control. Nice to see but you do not want to engage the local population. But it is Trump country.
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Late reply here, but thanks for your recounting.

Man, I'd love to get a couple of acres around me, but I can't really bear the thought of not being near a large urban area (for many of the reasons you've described). Unfortunately, land near the edges of big cities is dearly expensive, but at least you can get more than a 25' by 125' 3K sqft city lot!
 
independentusa said:
I really want to know as the only thing I can think of is that it is something to do with race. I am not saying it is racist, at least not overly racist, but I can not think of another explanation after all of the things that trump iis doing that hurts that group of people. I could name a few, but I am sure you can understand what I a talking about. So, why ae they still supporting him?
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It comes down to issues in my case. I have an intense dislike for him, but between him and HRC, there was really no other choice. I wanted my taxes lowered, ISIS defeated, the ACA defeated and want Maryland to become a shall issue state. I can't stand HRC either, but if she championed the issues I feel are important, I would've voted for her. Too bad we couldn't have fielded better candidates. SMH:(
 
Middle_Ground said:
No we can't stop anything but we can assist. Can't we?
For instance the huge empty building why can't a company like say Amazon (just an example I hate them) be given federal incentives to go there and have a distribution center or a call center.....why because infrastructure sucks and no broadband? That's a fail in my opinion.
Why aren't doctors and dentists given some form of loan forgiveness for working in the poor rural areas for let's say 5 years?
Why aren't medical schools given incentives to open programs in these places?
There is a lot we can do we just choose not to.

And no the talent may not be in rural Nebraska for an apple or Google research center....but why not a call center or logistics center?
If we continue on the path we're on it will truly be flyover country with no people left and robots picking crops. We need to open our minds and DO like the Americans we are.
I don't believe there is anything we can't do if we want to.
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Wasn't around most of the week, sorry for the late reply.

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Nah, of course we'd like to help. But help within reason, or we end-up subsidizing dying industries or locales. Remember many of these areas had earlier experienced specific economic booms, and there's no tenable way to replicate that. For example, some were once riverboat towns, and others were one factory or one industry towns. When those industries or needs disappear, what are we to do?

And remember, if we plough money into a dying area or industry, we take away funds that could be used elsewhere, perhaps in areas that make more current economic sense.

I'm not against lending a helping hand; they're my fellow Americans! But those suffering in economically depressed areas or industries might consider to proactively change courses and fortunes. It's what I would do. I wouldn't think twice. In fact, I've already done it several times in my own life for my betterment. If you've got mouths to feed, you go where the money's at! ;)
 
ObamacareFail said:
No....CNN is fake news.
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your post is fake news. CNN made a mistake by imitating fox propaganda network with too many opinion shows, though, IMO.
 
Helix said:
your post is fake news. CNN made a mistake by imitating fox propaganda network with too many opinion shows, though, IMO.
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CNN is bonafide fake news. If you are objective, you would already know that. Fox simply does not toe the left wing line like CNN and most other networks do. That's why you are against Fox News.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Not partisan on my part. I am an Independent....It was partisan as congress critters in the Democrat party were the ones pushing quasi government mortgage giants Fannie and Freddie to continue covering bad loans..
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First, you may consider yourself an "indepedent", but you are hardly "non-partisan". Non-partisans do not refer to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat" Party. You're a conservative pretending to be non-partisan.

More importanly, like most conservatives, your grasp of historical FACTS seems selective and limited. The FACT is that the repeal of Glass-Stegall (which deregulated investment, banking and mortgage industries) was written and passed by REPUBLICANS who controlled both houses of congress. To argue that the "critters" of the "Democrat" Party were "the ones pushing" that law is to be one of two things: (1) Ignorant of the relevant facts, or (2) Dishonest.

Which would best describe you, here?
 
ObamacareFail said:
CNN is bonafide fake news. If you are objective, you would already know that. Fox simply does not toe the left wing line like CNN and most other networks do. That's why you are against Fox News.
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your post is bonafide fake news. as for fox, it is Trumpist propaganda, and everyone knows it.
 
Chomsky said:
I have only moderate agreement with this. I suspect economy of scale applies to farming, like everything else. So those large corporate farms with their larger specialized work force, probably do theoretically have the ability to do industrial farming more efficiently than a small mom & pop operation.

But unfortunately as we know, when corps reach high market penetration they become oligarchic and monopolistic; so I'm definitely not defending them or their practices.
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The reason why corporate farms are more profitable has little to do with economies of scale. It has more to do with market power.

They have more capital, easier access to loans, and foriegn markets, and more flexibility to set prices.
 
Helix said:
your post is bonafide fake news. as for fox, it is Trumpist propaganda, and everyone knows it.
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Your post is pure hatred of the president. Fox is the only objective and truthful major news network in the USA.

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ultmd said:
First, you may consider yourself an "indepedent", but you are hardly "non-partisan". Non-partisans do not refer to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat" Party. You're a conservative pretending to be non-partisan.

More importanly, like most conservatives, your grasp of historical FACTS seems selective and limited. The FACT is that the repeal of Glass-Stegall (which deregulated investment, banking and mortgage industries) was written and passed by REPUBLICANS who controlled both houses of congress. To argue that the "critters" of the "Democrat" Party were "the ones pushing" that law is to be one of two things: (1) Ignorant of the relevant facts, or (2) Dishonest.

Which would best describe you, here?
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I certainly am conservative. However that does not make me a partisan. That's the part about Trump support that you libruls either do not get or do not want to admit. I am loyal to my ideology, not party. If Republicans in Congress honored their own platform, which is conservative, I would be a Republican. Trump, since running for and getting elected president has followed through on that platform. And while I do root for the Republicans against the Democrats in congressional elections in hopes of keeping assholes like Chuck Schumer and doofus Nancy Pelosi out of power, I have not been a Republican for 30 years. I skipped the congressional choices on the 2016 ballot. As for your corny suggestion that Glass Steagal was responsible for the mortgage market collapse, well it's good for laughs. I have only seen one other librul attempt that ploy.

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ObamacareFail said:
Your post is pure hatred of the president. Fox is the only objective and truthful major news network in the USA.

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Horse****.
 
ObamacareFail said:
CNN is bonafide fake news. If you are objective, you would already know that. Fox simply does not toe the left wing line like CNN and most other networks do. That's why you are against Fox News.
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No, Fox 'news' is basically technicolour **** (with a few blonde bimbos thrown in to keep the rednecks happy), that's why.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I certainly am conservative. However that does not make me a partisan.
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Of course you are a conservative partisan. Of course. You're just a right winger, so you don't understand how ridiculouis your argument, above, really is.


That's the part about Trump support that you libruls either do not get or do not want to admit. I am loyal to my ideology, not party. If Republicans in Congress honored their own platform, which is conservative, I would be a Republican. Trump, since running for and getting elected president has followed through on that platform. And while I do root for the Republicans against the Democrats in congressional elections in hopes of keeping assholes like Chuck Schumer and doofus Nancy Pelosi out of power, I have not been a Republican for 30 years. I skipped the congressional choices on the 2016 ballot.
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Stop lying, please. You are clearly an ideologue. That much is clear. But it's not based on conservative principles. If the Trump years have demonstrated nothing else, they have forever laid waste to the "conservative principles" mythology about limited/small government....fiscal responsibility....balanced budgets....conservative/family "values"...."strict constructionism"....etc. etc. etc. Your ideological loyalty is to a set of social/cultural/religious fake values that revolve around a series of racial, relious and/or cultural grievances and resentments. Abortion. Anti-immigration. Voter Supression. Anti-Science. Religious bigotry. Supply-Side economics. Those all explain the allegiance to Trump by the Trump base. And none of them...NOT ONE....is rooted in an academically defensible conservative principle.

As for your corny suggestion that Glass Steagal was responsible for the mortgage market collapse, well it's good for laughs. I have only seen one other librul attempt that ploy.
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Your fake-news inspired opinions don't matter. And let's be clear, Glass-Steagall didn't lead to the Great Bush Recession. The REPEAL of Glass-Steagall did that. That is simply not arguable. So don't try. No wingnut can win that argument.
 
ultmd said:
Of course you are a conservative partisan. Of course. You're just a right winger, so you don't understand how ridiculouis your argument, above, really is.



Stop lying, please. You are clearly an ideologue. That much is clear. But it's not based on conservative principles. If the Trump years have demonstrated nothing else, they have forever laid waste to the "conservative principles" mythology about limited/small government....fiscal responsibility....balanced budgets....conservative/family "values"...."strict constructionism"....etc. etc. etc. Your ideological loyalty is to a set of social/cultural/religious fake values that revolve around a series of racial, relious and/or cultural grievances and resentments. Abortion. Anti-immigration. Voter Supression. Anti-Science. Religious bigotry. Supply-Side economics. Those all explain the allegiance to Trump by the Trump base. And none of them...NOT ONE....is rooted in an academically defensible conservative principle.


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Your fake-news inspired opinions don't matter. And let's be clear, Glass-Steagall didn't lead to the Great Bush Recession. The REPEAL of Glass-Steagall did that. That is simply not arguable. So don't try. No wingnut can win that argument.
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I will just point out that you are quite ignorant of what a partisan actually is. A partisan in regards to American politics is one who simply spouts and accepts the party's line no matter what it happens to be at the time. Personally, I have no use for the vast majority of republicans in congress. At best, they are the lessor of two evils, the other evil is obviously the librul democrats. I care about my conservative philosophy and support any politician who campaigns on and governs by it. And like it of not, The community reinvestment act signed into law by Carter and abused by democrat politicians tasked with oversight was the cause of the Mortgage Market collapse. The Glass Steagal argument is just a lame librul attempt at a diversion. Have a nice weekend.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I will just point out that you are quite ignorant of what a partisan actually is. A partisan in regards to American politics is one who simply spouts and accepts the party's line no matter what it happens to be at the time.
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Thanks for your personal opinion...again. Unfortunately, you keep proving that you really don't understand the difference between FACTS, and your personal, partisan, rightwing opinions. So let's just say...NO, that is NOT the definition of a partisan. Your feelings-though they are clearly all-important to you- are meaningless to any other rational, intelligent person.



Personally, I have no use for the vast majority of republicans in congress. At best, they are the lessor of two evils, the other evil is obviously the librul democrats.
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More meaningless, self-serving drivel. You are clearly a right-wing ideologue. You clearly support right wing politicians. You are clearly a Trump apologist who (at the very least) tolerates (if not supports) his ignorant, bigoted rhetoric and racist policies. The rest is semantics, from you.

I care about my conservative philosophy and support any politician who campaigns on and governs by it. And like it of not, The community reinvestment act signed into law by Carter and abused by democrat politicians tasked with oversight was the cause of the Mortgage Market collapse. [/QUOTE]
Nonsense. This is an old, thoroughly discredited republican/conservative argument that has been analyzed, and debunked by several non-partisan academic studies. In fact, EVERY non-partisan analysis of the CRA's actual impact on the market crash under Bush has reached the same conclusion. Here's the one from the FED:
Assessing the Community Reinvestment Act's Role in the Financial Crisis


The bottom line here is this: The CRA was NOT a major factor in the Bush Recession. The single greatest factor was the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which deregulated the banks (among other things). That is not arguable. So please, stop trying. You won't fare well.

The Glass Steagal argument is just a lame librul attempt at a diversion. Have a nice weekend.
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Facts are stubborn things. The difference between us is clear. You rely on conservative propaganda and right wing talking points that you KNOW you can't back up. If you had the facts to buttress the almost religoius-held feelings and opinions you express on this board...you'd have posted some by now. But you don't...because you can't. On the other hand, I simply post facts, and back them up. That, too, in simply not arguable.

Enjoy your weekend.
 
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