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Why do poorer, less educated whites still support Trump?

Trump used a simple hat. Make America Great Again. What the Trump supporter noticed, was: Make My County Great Again. To a Trump supporter, it is not my state, it is not my city, it is my county that is important. There will be job growth in my county, and that is what they care about.
 
Actually to a point we are all responsible. Infrastructure, nationwide broadband, real business incentive could have gone a long way. But we forgot about them and those that were their kept that we vs them mentality going.
There is some truth here, but we can't stop economic or technological forces. What can be done to rejuvenate a small economically dying rural town? Unless they can draw a manufacturing or some similar facility? Or, perhaps tourism or recreation?

I can empathize with their plight, but that doesn't mean I see a solution for them. Yes, broadband would be helpful, I must admit. That may be the biggest thing to assist, quite honestly. But it's not going to draw an Apple or Google research center to rural Nebraska.

I really don't see a way to beat Adam Smith's Invisible Hand.

I was in a community that's described a while back I met a family first daughter, then wife then son and on the last day dad came along I could tell he was uncomfortable right before he left he said to me I didn't wanna like you but I can see your really not tryin spread your east coast crap so I have to welcome you and like you.

My response was we have more in common than you think. With a wink.
Great work; I'm sure you were a good ambassador. And you were right! :thumbs:
 
Populism yes. But I think discrimination is also involved. There has always been at the dark core of the Republican base, ever since the Southern Strategy. But that doesn't explain everyone. After all in a sense their votes don't count - they were always in the bag for the GOP, which is why they're called red states

On the other hand, a lot of blue collar workers that went for Obama, stepped away from Clinton: in fact money of the crucial counties in crucial states that swung the election. Some of them have the macho blue collar aversion to a woman in politics; a lot more were likely just pissed at the way Sanders was treated. And let's not forget Clinton herself - unapproachable, smug and pretty crap at relating to the public.

So we can't just dismiss everyone who 'supports' Trump as racist. There are a lot, no denying, but people were also sick of the elite and the status quo. Many felt they had no choice.
Yep. The cliche' of,

"Hold your nose, and vote."
 
Why do poorer, less educated whites still support Trump?

They've long believed that government is the reason that they're poor and minimally educated, and immigrants are stealing their crappy minimalist jobs.

They believe Donald Trump is their white knight and avenger, destroying everything traditional within the Washington beltway.

Easily manipulated, and so dumbed-down they didn't even grasp the Trumpian slap direct to their chops....

Donald Trump on 23 February 2016 said:
“I love the poorly educated.”
 
This is a tough nut to crack. I think Trump's support amongst the non-rich is actually varied. In the mid-west, I think his support boiled down to either racism (which he was very open about) and his anti-NAFTA, pro-US labor rhetoric, particularly when you consider his primary and general election opponents.

But I think at some level whether it's racism, economic resentment towards the coasts, a general sentiment that whites are worse off than their parents are, or all of the other possible reasons --I think the average American understands that the country is currently headed in the wrong direction. I think the people who support Trump have correctly identified that there's something deeply wrong with the way the US comports itself and how our economic system is arranged, but they don't really have a fine-grain understanding of why they are getting so screwed by the system. The the far right-wing media has offered them a lot of different scapegoats --"lazy black people", the mooching poor, Jews, the "Wall Street city liberals", government intervention-- and largely Fox News has done nothing but further encourage this brand of bull****.

No matter what the specifics are though, Trump did something that no other candidate (other than Bernie Sanders) did:

1.) Acknowledged that there was a problem.
2.) Gave his honest opinions (however uninformed or malleable) about what he thought they were.
3.) Did not present himself as a traditional politician, which gave credence to his claim that he knew there was a problem. He also pointed out that politicians around him are corrupt during the primary.
4.) Gave people whatever answer they wanted to hear about the problem. This made them start believing that he was a sensible, even if amateurish, politician.

This is fundamentally an emotional argument. This was all to get people to buy into his brand, his image. Now that he isn't delivering these goods, it's sort of immaterial. Until there's a competitor politician who can actually speak to people's problems and thus address their core emotional reason for supporting Trump, Trump still holds a monopoly in the emotional political sphere. Many of his supporters will still feel like even discussing facts is a non-starter, because if you can't even acknowledge that America as it exists right now is a problem, and honestly tell people that (for most Americans) they are worse off than their parents --then the core anxieties that they are experiencing aren't being addressed by "Don't you realize that Trump is lying when he says X?"-style arguments. In fact, those arguments on their face are not appealing to them. I think this is one of the things that liberals (particularly and especially upper-class liberals on the coasts) both badly understand and they are ill-equipped to understand.

It's also worth adding that for some contingent of poor whites, this is almost entirely racial, and their anxieties are rooted in the idea that they are experiencing black people not being smashed into the dirt and that upsets them. But that is very far from the only thing driving these people's anxieties (and by extension, Trump's approval ratings). So when the time comes to figure out how to get support and how to change hearts-and-minds, it'll matter that the non-racist whites who've been harmed by this system, who aren't racists, and who will be willing to work with disadvantaged groups can be swayed from Trump.
With many's expanded definitions of racism to satisfy their own political agendas, let me give a most recent example of racism in the news that is being completely ignored by most liberal media outlets: The white children of the movie stars whose parents were stung because of the parents' attempts to get their children into quality schools. The parents would never have been stung...The kids wouldn't have as difficult a time of entering these quality schools if their skin wasn't white or their parents poorer. And the press wouldn't be covering it if the families were poorer or non-white.
 
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People that went to high school with me and stayed behind, did so because they were to scared to leave or they were to poor to leave the community. If you want to make someone in a rural community uneducated, backward, unwilling to better themselves. Let them inherit unproductive land. The worst thing you can do for your child, is pass on unproductive land. You cannot farm the land as it cannot produce a stable crop. There is no source of fresh water. The land could be woods, and nobody is interested to harvest your trees. The land is to far and to remote from a stable human population so it can be turned into housing. But, to someone that grew up with the land, it becomes inherited land.

They reject going to college, they reject moving to a city, they reject meeting other people outside their community. They will build a house on the unproductive land, and find a way to employ themselves. They become a serf, and find they are enslaved to the land they received.
Thanks for the great insight.

But you know, I can see the great difficulty in giving up land; especially ancestral land. Being city bred, I wouldn't know what to do in that situation, and I'm sure the decision would be hard as hell. My hope would be that perhaps if I left, that I could let the land grow fallow but find some way to pay the taxes to keep it. I would find it extremely hard to let go of the land.
 
Thread: Why do poorer, less educated whites still support Trump?

Because they ain't all that bright onna couta day less edumacated and day thank he gonna git dem sum money.
 
There is some truth here, but we can't stop economic or technological forces. What can be done to rejuvenate a small economically dying rural town? Unless they can draw a manufacturing or some similar facility? Or, perhaps tourism or recreation?

I can empathize with their plight, but that doesn't mean I see a solution for them. Yes, broadband would be helpful, I must admit. That may be the biggest thing to assist, quite honestly. But it's not going to draw an Apple or Google research center to rural Nebraska.

I really don't see a way to beat Adam Smith's Invisible Hand.

Great work; I'm sure you were a good ambassador. And you were right! :thumbs:

No we can't stop anything but we can assist. Can't we?
For instance the huge empty building why can't a company like say Amazon (just an example I hate them) be given federal incentives to go there and have a distribution center or a call center.....why because infrastructure sucks and no broadband? That's a fail in my opinion.
Why aren't doctors and dentists given some form of loan forgiveness for working in the poor rural areas for let's say 5 years?
Why aren't medical schools given incentives to open programs in these places?
There is a lot we can do we just choose not to.

And no the talent may not be in rural Nebraska for an apple or Google research center....but why not a call center or logistics center?
If we continue on the path we're on it will truly be flyover country with no people left and robots picking crops. We need to open our minds and DO like the Americans we are.
I don't believe there is anything we can't do if we want to.
 
If you live in a county of less then 5,000 people. The places of employment is a gas station and a grocery store. Do you want to be working at a grocery store for 30 years and meeting your coworker that just got off the school bus when he was dropped off at the store. Or, work at the gas station and noticed the same cars filling up.
And that grocery store or other small business could be history the day Walmart opens a store in the town just down the road.. Sam Wall had a devastating effect on a lot of small town businesses.
 
Why do poorer, less educated whites still support Trump?

They've long believed that government is the reason that they're poor and minimally educated, and immigrants are stealing their crappy minimalist jobs.

They believe Donald Trump is their white knight and avenger, destroying everything traditional within the Washington beltway.

Easily manipulated, and so dumbed-down they didn't even grasp the Trumpian slap direct to their chops....

Do you consider yourself highly educated?
 
I explained my view in another thread that these people live in areas of the country where there's very little, if any, diversity. They have no culture since their ancestors that immigrated to the US many years ago are gone. If those ancestors came from Germany, Scotland, Ukraine, England, wherever they came from, the culture they brought has been lost throughout the decades. People that live in the larger cities where people grow up with an extremely diverse culture absorb all of those cultures and even more important, accept them and appreciate them.

Trump supporters come from mostly red states, where there's smaller land-bound towns and cities with little if any diversity. So they have created their own culture based solely on the color of their skin and they are being fed fear by Trump of losing that identity and 'faux culture' of theirs by creating a fear in them that they're going to lose their culture (whiteness) forever to people with brown or black skin that speak foreign languages and have religious beliefs different than their own christian religions.

People are supporting him out of fear.

If it's "fear", it's of a liberal getting in. That's the ONLY reason I still support him, but then I'm not poor, nor uneducated.
 
This is a tough nut to crack. I think Trump's support amongst the non-rich is actually varied. In the mid-west, I think his support boiled down to either racism (which he was very open about) and his anti-NAFTA, pro-US labor rhetoric, particularly when you consider his primary and general election opponents.

But I think at some level whether it's racism, economic resentment towards the coasts, a general sentiment that whites are worse off than their parents are, or all of the other possible reasons --I think the average American understands that the country is currently headed in the wrong direction. I think the people who support Trump have correctly identified that there's something deeply wrong with the way the US comports itself and how our economic system is arranged, but they don't really have a fine-grain understanding of why they are getting so screwed by the system. The the far right-wing media has offered them a lot of different scapegoats --"lazy black people", the mooching poor, Jews, the "Wall Street city liberals", government intervention-- and largely Fox News has done nothing but further encourage this brand of bull****.

No matter what the specifics are though, Trump did something that no other candidate (other than Bernie Sanders) did:

1.) Acknowledged that there was a problem.
2.) Gave his honest opinions (however uninformed or malleable) about what he thought they were.
3.) Did not present himself as a traditional politician, which gave credence to his claim that he knew there was a problem. He also pointed out that politicians around him are corrupt during the primary.
4.) Gave people whatever answer they wanted to hear about the problem. This made them start believing that he was a sensible, even if amateurish, politician.

This is fundamentally an emotional argument. This was all to get people to buy into his brand, his image. Now that he isn't delivering these goods, it's sort of immaterial. Until there's a competitor politician who can actually speak to people's problems and thus address their core emotional reason for supporting Trump, Trump still holds a monopoly in the emotional political sphere. Many of his supporters will still feel like even discussing facts is a non-starter, because if you can't even acknowledge that America as it exists right now is a problem, and honestly tell people that (for most Americans) they are worse off than their parents --then the core anxieties that they are experiencing aren't being addressed by "Don't you realize that Trump is lying when he says X?"-style arguments. In fact, those arguments on their face are not appealing to them. I think this is one of the things that liberals (particularly and especially upper-class liberals on the coasts) both badly understand and they are ill-equipped to understand.

It's also worth adding that for some contingent of poor whites, this is almost entirely racial, and their anxieties are rooted in the idea that they are experiencing black people not being smashed into the dirt and that upsets them. But that is very far from the only thing driving these people's anxieties (and by extension, Trump's approval ratings). So when the time comes to figure out how to get support and how to change hearts-and-minds, it'll matter that the non-racist whites who've been harmed by this system, who aren't racists, and who will be willing to work with disadvantaged groups can be swayed from Trump.
I think the paragraph just before the last, which I bolded, is 100% right on the money; you nailed it! It's emotional bonding, pure & simple:

"I'm desperate here, and he's the only guy that gets it!"
 
This is a horribly unrealistic comment. There are plenty of Trump voters that don't live in backwoords hick nations.

One would think that the liberals learned that during the last Presidential election.
 
I really want to know as the only thing I can think of is that it is something to do with race. I am not saying it is racist, at least not overly racist, but I can not think of another explanation after all of the things that trump iis doing that hurts that group of people. I could name a few, but I am sure you can understand what I a talking about. So, why ae they still supporting him?

They don't want the government controlling their private. I guess they'd rather be free. Crazy, huh?
 
I really want to know as the only thing I can think of is that it is something to do with race. I am not saying it is racist, at least not overly racist, but I can not think of another explanation after all of the things that trump iis doing that hurts that group of people. I could name a few, but I am sure you can understand what I a talking about. So, why ae they still supporting him?

Those who support him do believe he is working on a big picture set of issues that concern them and benefits them. Please tell me what the democrats are doing for the middle class besides run the price of health care up, tax and spend on stupid stuff like paying for a global effort to go green, attack religion and kill babies.
 
Because they work for a living, were abandoned by the Race-o-crats, and like their tax cuts, increasing wages, and the vast employment opportunities...because of the BOOMING economy.

This isn't that kind of thread. This thread is for the lefties to express their sense of superiority over their fellow man.
 
some actually believe that he gives even one single **** about the working class. however, i think that we're to the point now that as long as he pisses off the people that fox has told them are bad, that will do.

And you think Leftists give a **** about the working class?
 
You guys don't get it, a very large part of America likes America pretty much as is and only wants to see minor tweaks not major change that cost a fortune and shoves us off a cliff to the left.
 
Thanks for the great insight.

But you know, I can see the great difficulty in giving up land; especially ancestral land. Being city bred, I wouldn't know what to do in that situation, and I'm sure the decision would be hard as hell. My hope would be that perhaps if I left, that I could let the land grow fallow but find some way to pay the taxes to keep it. I would find it extremely hard to let go of the land.

Right now I live in Tennessee, and out of the pocket of economic growth of the cities are the rural community. You can be in a rural community, and ever place you look around -- is trees and mountains. Yes, it is beautiful to see. People from out of state come to see the beauty of the Great Smokey Mountains. They come to Dollywood and spend millions of dollars. If you live 20 miles away, wealth is not there for you. There is illegal moonshine produced, and the local population becomes insane because the equipment was welled together with lead. With cooking the lead is leashed out and people get lead poisoning. If you live in the spine of the mountains, the local religion deals with snakes. It is illegal except for West Virginia. And a number of times in the year, someone dies with a snake bite. There is natural caves and abandoned coal mines. Illegal drugs are made there because there is no heat source. Cars are stolen and there are chop shops all over the place. Weed is produced in the natural forest, and produced close to the state boarder to prevent state control. Nice to see but you do not want to engage the local population. But it is Trump country.
 
This is a horribly unrealistic comment. There are plenty of Trump voters that don't live in backwoords hick nations.

Do you know why genetic testing companies like '23 and Me' and 'Ancestry' are so popular? Why are so many interested in their genetics? Sure, there's some people want to know their what their DNA tests will reveal because some diseases are embedded in our genetic code that may put them at risk for certain health conditions. But most people that pay the $69 or so for genetic testing are looking for some information about their heritage and the culture of their ancestors. Finding out genetic heritage gives people a deeper connection to the places that they're “from" and gives them a sense of culture.
 
...The reason why Trump is having support in rural communities. Is because the rural communities feel they have been left out of the economic boom. They are tired of being the fly over states...

I have little sympathy for whites living in white communities not liking to see all our minorities in our urban centers. Of course they're not all, but a large percentage Trump's supporters are racist, admitted or not or don't want to become a white minority. They need to get over that.

The other big reason is as you point out, are jobs and a slow economy. Their homes are not growing in value like the coasts are. My parents had a modest home designed by himself, built in a typical middle-class suburb for $34k in the early sixties and sold it for 1.2 mil in the late ninety's.

The biggest reason that's not happening in our great desert is that no one wants to move or live there. On the coasts buyers often compete with other buyers who make offers for more than the seller is asking. Because they want to live there. I would think cons had a working knowledge of the law of supply and demand.

Our coasts are where we have booming economies (when it booms) and the jobs. Throw in more diverse landscapes, better weather, better schools, better infrastructure, etc. and you can see why most Americans choose to live on the coasts.

...The other problem with a rural community, they are heavy being white...

I agree...
 
A better question would be why to black Americans continue to vote democrat? What have they done for Black Americans? Make promises and not deliver. The economy for blacks has never been as good as in Trumps economy. Over the past 50 years the number of single parent black families has tripled and the ratio of black children born out of wedlock is about 3 to 1. That is what the democrats have gotten them. Tear down history so black americans don't see that its the party of Lincoln that freed the slaves and its the southern Democrats that governed over reconstruction and and Jim Crow.
 
And that grocery store or other small business could be history the day Walmart opens a store in the town just down the road.. Sam Wall had a devastating effect on a lot of small town businesses.

Walmart, if you want to hear a foreign language: go to a Walmart. Hearing a foreign language, and being in a rural community were the primary business is a gas station and a grocery store -- Walmart is not going there. When I drove to Michigan, I stopped at a gas station in Kentucky. When I was there, the local population of middle age men were there in their armchairs. They were talking about there local politics and local social structure. Filling the tank up and going the bathroom on the side of the building. A gas station around 30 years old and in need or repair. If the only place to hang out with the local population is a gas station. The last thing your going to see is a Walmart with people talking in a foreign language.
 
I really want to know as the only thing I can think of is that it is something to do with race. I am not saying it is racist, at least not overly racist, but I can not think of another explanation after all of the things that trump iis doing that hurts that group of people. I could name a few, but I am sure you can understand what I a talking about. So, why ae they still supporting him?
Creating jobs, lowering taxes, allowing them to keep more of their money is "hurting" them? How?
 
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