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Why do poorer, less educated whites still support Trump?

I'm seeing as much or more Nationalism, as Populism. I think Trump is selling Authoritarian Nationalism under the guise of Populism.

I agree about Nationalism and the Authoritarian side. I really find it disheartening that so many that are screaming for "Freedom" on the one hand are giving it away for all of us with the other.
Is this the last gasp of the Old Rich White Guy Club?? I hope so.
 
Populism and ethno-nationalism go together like chocolate and peanut butter. For some reason, you just can't "punish the elite" unless you're making the lives of minorities and foreigners miserable.
Hah! That's quite the take, but fair enough! :mrgreen:
 
Why do poorer, less educated whites still support Trump?

Because like everyone else, they support whoever tells them what they want to hear.

Specifically he tells them it is not their fault that they have led failed lives, that women, black folks, brown folks and all non Christians have taken from them what they had a birth right to.
 
With all respect, no one left them behind; they left themselves behind.

Actually to a point we are all responsible. Infrastructure, nationwide broadband, real business incentive could have gone a long way. But we forgot about them and those that were their kept that we vs them mentality going.

I was in a community that's described a while back I met a family first daughter, then wife then son and on the last day dad came along I could tell he was uncomfortable right before he left he said to me I didn't wanna like you but I can see your really not tryin spread your east coast crap so I have to welcome you and like you.
My response was we have more in common than you think. With a wink.
 
Populism.

Populism yes. But I think discrimination is also involved. There has always been at the dark core of the Republican base, ever since the Southern Strategy. But that doesn't explain everyone. After all in a sense their votes don't count - they were always in the bag for the GOP, which is why they're called red states

On the other hand, a lot of blue collar workers that went for Obama, stepped away from Clinton: in fact money of the crucial counties in crucial states that swung the election. Some of them have the macho blue collar aversion to a woman in politics; a lot more were likely just pissed at the way Sanders was treated. And let's not forget Clinton herself - unapproachable, smug and pretty crap at relating to the public.

So we can't just dismiss everyone who 'supports' Trump as racist. There are a lot, no denying, but people were also sick of the elite and the status quo. Many felt they had no choice.
 
The right tells this demographic that their lot in life is not their fault, but rather it's due to fill in the blank.
 
Because like everyone else, they support whoever tells them what they want to hear.

Specifically he tells them it is not their fault that they have led failed lives, that women, black folks, brown folks and all non Christians have taken from them what they had a birth right to.

Yes - exactly!!!
Trump plays the fear card very very well.
 
With all respect, no one left them behind; they left themselves behind.

People that went to high school with me and stayed behind, did so because they were to scared to leave or they were to poor to leave the community. If you want to make someone in a rural community uneducated, backward, unwilling to better themselves. Let them inherit unproductive land. The worst thing you can do for your child, is pass on unproductive land. You cannot farm the land as it cannot produce a stable crop. There is no source of fresh water. The land could be woods, and nobody is interested to harvest your trees. The land is to far and to remote from a stable human population so it can be turned into housing. But, to someone that grew up with the land, it becomes inherited land.

They reject going to college, they reject moving to a city, they reject meeting other people outside their community. They will build a house on the unproductive land, and find a way to employ themselves. They become a serf, and find they are enslaved to the land they received.
 
race/religion/years of GOP propaganda. When you are told for years that Liberals/Democrats are the bane of mankind, you start to believe it.
 
I agree about Nationalism and the Authoritarian side. I really find it disheartening that so many that are screaming for "Freedom" on the one hand are giving it away for all of us with the other.
Is this the last gasp of the Old Rich White Guy Club?? I hope so.
No, I don't think it's the dying of the old rich guys club. The tech guys that are starting Facebook and Uber are young white guys that will eventually become the new old rich white guys.

What's dying is the old parochial way of life, as we become globalized & technologized.
 
They're less educated...

Meaning they're less liberal 'cause a student coming out of American's public educational system is indoctrinated as liberal.
 
The right tells this demographic that their lot in life is not their fault, but rather it's due to fill in the blank.

Yep. The so called "party of personal responsibility" loves to blame everyone else for their problems.
 
race/religion/years of GOP propaganda. When you are told for years that Liberals/Democrats are the bane of mankind, you start to believe it.

What students face as they progress through the American public school system is liberal propaganda.
 
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These aren't people who need to be "understood" or don't need compassion. These Bubbas and Jim Bobs need to be defeated and crushed.
 
Because like everyone else, they support whoever tells them what they want to hear.

Specifically he tells them it is not their fault that they have led failed lives, that women, black folks, brown folks and all non Christians have taken from them what they had a birth right to.
I absolutely abhor that lack of personal responsibility that Trump promotes. :doh
 
I really want to know as the only thing I can think of is that it is something to do with race. I am not saying it is racist, at least not overly racist, but I can not think of another explanation after all of the things that trump iis doing that hurts that group of people. I could name a few, but I am sure you can understand what I a talking about. So, why ae they still supporting him?

Because they work for a living, were abandoned by the Race-o-crats, and like their tax cuts, increasing wages, and the vast employment opportunities...because of the BOOMING economy.
 
The right tells this demographic that their lot in life is not their fault, but rather it's due to fill in the blank.

Teachers in America's public school system don't teach students how to think they teach students what to think...and that thinking is liberalism, at least.
 
The right tells this demographic that their lot in life is not their fault, but rather it's due to fill in the blank.

If you live in a county of less then 5,000 people. The places of employment is a gas station and a grocery store. Do you want to be working at a grocery store for 30 years and meeting your coworker that just got off the school bus when he was dropped off at the store. Or, work at the gas station and noticed the same cars filling up.
 
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These aren't people who need to be "understood" or don't need compassion. These Bubbas and Jim Bobs need to be defeated and crushed.

I'm more a feared of the folks who want to take all my rights away. Progressives.
 
The right tells this demographic that their lot in life is not their fault, but rather it's due to fill in the blank.

And you think the Democrats don't do the same thing? Lol. Christ.
 
I absolutely abhor that lack of personal responsibility that Trump promotes. :doh

it isn't just Trump, in fact he just hoped on that bandwagon. The GOP hasn't been the party of "personal responsibility" in many many many years. And fiscally responsible? That's an even bigger joke.
 
I'm more a feared of the folks who want to take all my rights away. Progressives.

If your biggest fear is that you don't be able to buy a gun that can fire 100 gigantic bullets a minute, check your white male privilege.
 
I really want to know as the only thing I can think of is that it is something to do with race. I am not saying it is racist, at least not overly racist, but I can not think of another explanation after all of the things that trump iis doing that hurts that group of people. I could name a few, but I am sure you can understand what I a talking about. So, why ae they still supporting him?

This is a tough nut to crack. I think Trump's support amongst the non-rich is actually varied. In the mid-west, I think his support boiled down to either racism (which he was very open about) and his anti-NAFTA, pro-US labor rhetoric, particularly when you consider his primary and general election opponents.

But I think at some level whether it's racism, economic resentment towards the coasts, a general sentiment that whites are worse off than their parents are, or all of the other possible reasons --I think the average American understands that the country is currently headed in the wrong direction. I think the people who support Trump have correctly identified that there's something deeply wrong with the way the US comports itself and how our economic system is arranged, but they don't really have a fine-grain understanding of why they are getting so screwed by the system. The the far right-wing media has offered them a lot of different scapegoats --"lazy black people", the mooching poor, Jews, the "Wall Street city liberals", government intervention-- and largely Fox News has done nothing but further encourage this brand of bull****.

No matter what the specifics are though, Trump did something that no other candidate (other than Bernie Sanders) did:

1.) Acknowledged that there was a problem.
2.) Gave his honest opinions (however uninformed or malleable) about what he thought they were.
3.) Did not present himself as a traditional politician, which gave credence to his claim that he knew there was a problem. He also pointed out that politicians around him are corrupt during the primary.
4.) Gave people whatever answer they wanted to hear about the problem. This made them start believing that he was a sensible, even if amateurish, politician.

This is fundamentally an emotional argument. This was all to get people to buy into his brand, his image. Now that he isn't delivering these goods, it's sort of immaterial. Until there's a competitor politician who can actually speak to people's problems and thus address their core emotional reason for supporting Trump, Trump still holds a monopoly in the emotional political sphere. Many of his supporters will still feel like even discussing facts is a non-starter, because if you can't even acknowledge that America as it exists right now is a problem, and honestly tell people that (for most Americans) they are worse off than their parents --then the core anxieties that they are experiencing aren't being addressed by "Don't you realize that Trump is lying when he says X?"-style arguments. In fact, those arguments on their face are not appealing to them. I think this is one of the things that liberals (particularly and especially upper-class liberals on the coasts) both badly understand and they are ill-equipped to understand.

It's also worth adding that for some contingent of poor whites, this is almost entirely racial, and their anxieties are rooted in the idea that they are experiencing black people not being smashed into the dirt and that upsets them. But that is very far from the only thing driving these people's anxieties (and by extension, Trump's approval ratings). So when the time comes to figure out how to get support and how to change hearts-and-minds, it'll matter that the non-racist whites who've been harmed by this system, who aren't racists, and who will be willing to work with disadvantaged groups can be swayed from Trump.
 
If your biggest fear is that you don't be able to buy a gun that can fire 100 gigantic bullets a minute, check your white male privilege.

I see you're afraid you can't prevent the sale of guns.
 
This is a tough nut to crack. I think Trump's support amongst the non-rich is actually varied. In the mid-west, I think his support boiled down to either racism (which he was very open about) and his anti-NAFTA, pro-US labor rhetoric, particularly when you consider his primary and general election opponents.

But I think at some level whether it's racism, economic resentment towards the coasts, a general sentiment that whites are worse off than their parents are, or all of the other possible reasons --I think the average American understands that the country is currently headed in the wrong direction. I think the people who support Trump have correctly identified that there's something deeply wrong with the way the US comports itself and how our economic system is arranged, but they don't really have a fine-grain understanding of why they are getting so screwed by the system. The the far right-wing media has offered them a lot of different scapegoats --"lazy black people", the mooching poor, Jews, the "Wall Street city liberals", government intervention-- and largely Fox News has done nothing but further encourage this brand of bull****.

No matter what the specifics are though, Trump did something that no other candidate (other than Bernie Sanders) did:

1.) Acknowledged that there was a problem.
2.) Gave his honest opinions (however uninformed or malleable) about what he thought they were.
3.) Did not present himself as a traditional politician, which gave credence to his claim that he knew there was a problem. He also pointed out that politicians around him are corrupt during the primary.
4.) Gave people whatever answer they wanted to hear about the problem. This made them start believing that he was a sensible, even if amateurish, politician.

This is fundamentally an emotional argument. This was all to get people to buy into his brand, his image. Now that he isn't delivering these goods, it's sort of immaterial. Until there's a competitor politician who can actually speak to people's problems and thus address their core emotional reason for supporting Trump, Trump still holds a monopoly in the emotional political sphere. Many of his supporters will still feel like even discussing facts is a non-starter, because if you can't even acknowledge that America as it exists right now is a problem, and honestly tell people that (for most Americans) they are worse off than their parents --then the core anxieties that they are experiencing aren't being addressed by "Don't you realize that Trump is lying when he says X?"-style arguments. In fact, those arguments on their face are not appealing to them. I think this is one of the things that liberals (particularly and especially upper-class liberals on the coasts) both badly understand and they are ill-equipped to understand.

It's also worth adding that for some contingent of poor whites, this is almost entirely racial, and their anxieties are rooted in the idea that they are experiencing black people not being smashed into the dirt and that upsets them. But that is very far from the only thing driving these people's anxieties (and by extension, Trump's approval ratings). So when the time comes to figure out how to get support and how to change hearts-and-minds, it'll matter that the non-racist whites who've been harmed by this system, who aren't racists, and who will be willing to work with disadvantaged groups can be swayed from Trump.
I stopped reading your 'windy' post after the supposition that some of Trump supporters are racist. Are you also willing to admit that some 'Never-Trumpers' are also racist?
 
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