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The Full manifesto of the NZ shooter

TrueScotsman said:
Identity Politics is the organization of people of a shared identity to increase their political voice. White Nationalism is something altogether different, it is reshaping the entire system to benefit White people alone. This guy wanted the West to return to a racist imperialism, in which everything is subservient to the white race.

This is just more ignorant smearing of the Left, when it is plainly obvious these people are Right Wing. Why did they have a Unite the Right rally and not a unite the Left? Utter stupidity.
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By that logic, the New Zealand shooter was appealing to some sort of collective white identity.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
By that logic, the New Zealand shooter was appealing to some sort of collective white identity.
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Or rather wants to incite a race war. So that a new totalitarian racist regime can be implemented in order to protect the White Race from "invaders." It's the same old genocidal Right Wing nonsense promoted by the Nazis.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
White nationalism is identity politics.
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Law-abiding moral and ethical whites in America who value patriotic American values and traditions are not evil like whites or other ethnics who think blacks or Jews or conservatives are "deplorable."
 
trixare4kids said:
I think it's necessary to see all the ideas the terrorist held to help us better understand how extremism like this is bred and how it can be stopped.
I'll bet that every LE enforcement bureau in the world is reading maniac's manifesto.

After it was all said in done, I wanted to read Timothy McVeign's letters. I'm betting LE did too.

Like the original poster I tire of having leftists label Trump and his supporters as backers and causers of anything this atrocious. I guess some people are so full of Trump rage that they have nothing better going on in their lives, so I do remember my rule for cretinous trolling like this, consider the source.
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This pretty much could have come from my mouth. The whole thing is sick, but learning more may be all we can do at this point. I also think it's incredibly sad that we are hearing so much desperation by people to pin this to a whole group instead of admitting we are dealing with a random sicko.

Maybe, just maybe learning a little more might help us prevent the next go-round, but playing these blame games is the opposite of learning.

I'm curious too. Some of it is just that. What makes a mind break like this?
 
Keridan said:
This pretty much could have come from my mouth. The whole thing is sick, but learning more may be all we can do at this point. I also think it's incredibly sad that we are hearing so much desperation by people to pin this to a whole group instead of admitting we are dealing with a random sicko.

Maybe, just maybe learning a little more might help us prevent the next go-round, but playing these blame games is the opposite of learning.

I'm curious too. Some of it is just that. What makes a mind break like this?
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White Nationalist Fascism is the ideology behind this attack. You are SO desperate to make this guy merely into a lunatic, when he has been totally clear about his inspiration. When 9/11 happened how long did you spend musing about the motivations of the terrorists?

I'm sorry that Right Wing extremist terrorism is inconvenient for you, but pretending like it has nothing to do with it when he wrote an 87 page manifesto is madness.
 
TrueScotsman said:
White Nationalist Fascism is the ideology behind this attack. You are SO desperate to make this guy merely into a lunatic, when he has been totally clear about his inspiration. When 9/11 happened how long did you spend musing about the motivations of the terrorists?

I'm sorry that Right Wing extremist terrorism is inconvenient for you, but pretending like it has nothing to do with it when he wrote an 87 page manifesto is madness.
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I spent quite a bit of time, but nice assumption. It's very demonstrative that you think you know my motivations, just like your posts have assumed of everyone else today.

You have been posting as desperately as anyone trying to pretend this guy represents more than he does. I would normally say make hay while the sun is shining, but your posts are taking 49 dead innocent people in their house of faith and making it into a political play. That's very, very sad.

Right wing terrorism is just as bad as left wing terrorism or any other. It's sick to pretend anyone who murders tons of people are representative of some greater party. Unless you can show me where the republican website, Donald Trump site, or any other major information release of their page encourages the murders of innocent people, I'm done taking your posts seriously..

By the way, I'm pretty well against Trump and very many of the GOP policies. Long history of that. Right wing extremism isn't my problem.
 
PoppyCock said:
There are many parts in it that show he is certainly not a right winger, but the MSM is utterly ignoring all of it. And they wonder why they are held in low esteem.
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Because it's obvious that the manifesto has intentionally misleading information in it like that.

The "eco fascist" mark is just to trigger right wingers, none of the guy's stated opinions actually fit any liberal environmental agenda.
 
Keridan said:
I spent quite a bit of time, but nice assumption. It's very demonstrative that you think you know my motivations, just like your posts have assumed of everyone else today.

You have been posting as desperately as anyone trying to pretend this guy represents more than he does. I would normally say make hay while the sun is shining, but your posts are taking 49 dead innocent people in their house of faith and making it into a political play. That's very, very sad.

Right wing terrorism is just as bad as left wing terrorism or any other. It's sick to pretend anyone who murders tons of people are representative of some greater party. Unless you can show me where the republican website, Donald Trump site, or any other major information release of their page encourages the murders of innocent people, I'm done taking your posts seriously..

By the way, I'm pretty well against Trump and very many of the GOP policies. Long history of that. Right wing extremism isn't my problem.
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Where did I say he was representative of the Republican party. Done with your dishonest twisting. It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that this is Right Wing terrorism which is far worse than Left Wing terrorism at the moment.
 
Fledermaus said:
Devil's Advocate time.

I am cool with the whole "He who shall not be named" thing.

But the manifesto itself is something that should be read and understood if only to see what depths a mind can sink. A window into the kind of hatred some feel towards others. To fight hatred sometimes it is good to know the hatred.

Know thy enemy.
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My use of "you" here is general and not directed specifically at you. I'm aware of what depths a mind can sink too already. Look around, evil is everywhere. My position on voluntarily sharing extremist material is consistent.

Serenity said:
Eh, i'll just paste what i've said on more than one occasion already..

They'll keep doing it because the rest of the world is giving them a platform to share their hateful and savage actions. I've said it before and i'll say it again..There is something everyone can do and it's quite simple. Stop sharing IS propaganda and campaign for an IS media blackout.

Anyone sharing their propaganda, is playing right into IS hands. That's what they WANT us to do. Their PR strategy has been effective and elaborate for months and it’s been a key part of their massive rise to global infamy. Their aim is to justify the unjustifiable and to terrorise and demoralise us ALONG with attempting to recruit the vulnerable. Why would anyone want to assist them in that way?

We already know IS is really bad and a genuine threat. We don't need to see images of the latest execution victim convincing us of that fact. We're not three years old and we don't need pictures to identify with a story.
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From where I sit, my position is that it's beyond ridiculous that people are falling over themselves to share and promote this idiots insane ramblings in an attempt to prove "he is not like me/us". Surely that should go without saying for goodness sake. I'm an Australian. That idiot does not represent my world views, he does not represent my political positions, he does not represent my Country and if some idiot suggests otherwise I'll just roll my eyes at their idiocy and move on. I certainly won't promote his manifesto in an attempt to prove otherwise. Beyond ridiculous.

Bottom line. Have some respect for yourself and stop sharing extremist propaganda.
 
TrueScotsman said:
Where did I say he was representative of the Republican party. Done with your dishonest twisting. It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that this is Right Wing terrorism which is far worse than Left Wing terrorism at the moment.
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The irony of you calling me dishonest and twisting is impressive.

Where did I say you pinned him to the republican party? I asked you to show me where any major party website calls for the murder of dozens of people. I listed right wing ones because your posts are so desperate to assign blame.

I'm not crazy enough to think Antifa thugs represent a major group of the democratic party because they started from mostly democrats. They are just overly aggressive thugs who have been associated with many acts of violence against innocent people and law enforcement officers.

The psychotic terrorists who murdered over 3000 people don't represent all muslims. Or do you think they do since they were extremists in that group?

Stop trying to assign this guy to a group and just admit he was a psycho with serious mental deficiencies.
 
Keridan said:
The irony of you calling me dishonest and twisting is impressive.

Where did I say you pinned him to the republican party? I asked you to show me where any major party website calls for the murder of dozens of people. I listed right wing ones because your posts are so desperate to assign blame.

I'm not crazy enough to think Antifa thugs represent a major group of the democratic party because they started from mostly democrats. They are just overly aggressive thugs who have been associated with many acts of violence against innocent people and law enforcement officers.

The psychotic terrorists who murdered over 3000 people don't represent all muslims. Or do you think they do since they were extremists in that group?

Stop trying to assign this guy to a group and just admit he was a psycho with serious mental deficiencies.
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Nope, he was a hate filled White Nationalist Fascist Terrorist. You're too dense it seems to understand that, and are bringing up major political parties as if I think they have something to do with it. This is Right Wing Extremism which does support political violence, perhaps you should familiarize yourself with some recent history.
 
Puigb said:
no, explains a lot actually. Antifa, if they are leftists as you people claim, didn't come about until Nazi's and white nationalists starting showing up at Trump rallies cheerleading for their newly anointed leader.
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You should seek to educate yourself on a topic before posting, that way you wont make an ignorant or dishonest claim.
Antifa (United States) - Wikipedia

Modern antifa politics can be traced to opposition to the infiltration of Britain's punk scene by white power skinheads in the 1970s and 1980s, and the emergence of neo-Nazism in Germany following the fall of the Berlin Wall.[24] In Germany, young leftists, including anarchists and punk fans, renewed the practice of street-level anti-fascism.[24] Columnist Peter Beinart writes that "in the late '80s, left-wing punk fans in the United States began following suit, though they initially called their groups Anti-Racist Action (ARA) on the theory that Americans would be more familiar with fighting racism than they would be with fighting fascism."[24]

Mark Bray, author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, credits ARA as the precursor of the modern US antifa groups in the United States and Canada.[30] In the late 1980s and 1990s, ARA activists toured with popular punk rock and skinhead bands in order to prevent Klansmen, neo-Nazis and other assorted white supremacists from recruiting.[24][31][32] Their motto was "We go where they go" by which they meant that they would confront far-right activists in concerts and actively remove their materials from public places.[33] In 2002, the ARA disrupted a speech in Pennsylvania by Matthew F. Hale, the head of the white supremacist group World Church of the Creator, resulting in a fight and twenty-five arrests.[24]

Other antifa groups in the U.S. have other genealogies, for example in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where a group called the Baldies was formed in 1987 with the intent to fight neo-Nazi groups directly.[19]
 
noonereal said:
It's not the same at all and it's not a smear.

Part of the basic tenets of Trumpism is white supremacy.
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Thank you for proving my point. So it's now OK to call "all" Muslims terrorists?
 
TrueScotsman said:
Nope, he was a hate filled White Nationalist Fascist Terrorist. You're too dense it seems to understand that, and are bringing up major political parties as if I think they have something to do with it. This is Right Wing Extremism which does support political violence, perhaps you should familiarize yourself with some recent history.
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Sorry, but this post officially drags it down below the threshold of sanity and intelligence for continuing discussion. Good luck with that and all!
 
Keridan said:
Sorry, but this post officially drags it down below the threshold of sanity and intelligence for continuing discussion. Good luck with that and all!
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Run along then, I'm sorry the truth is below your acceptable level. He is a Right Wing terrorist who put 1488 on his gun, literally how dense can you get?
 
PoppyCock said:
You should seek to educate yourself on a topic before posting, that way you wont make an ignorant or dishonest claim.
Antifa (United States) - Wikipedia

Modern antifa politics can be traced to opposition to the infiltration of Britain's punk scene by white power skinheads in the 1970s and 1980s, and the emergence of neo-Nazism in Germany following the fall of the Berlin Wall.[24] In Germany, young leftists, including anarchists and punk fans, renewed the practice of street-level anti-fascism.[24] Columnist Peter Beinart writes that "in the late '80s, left-wing punk fans in the United States began following suit, though they initially called their groups Anti-Racist Action (ARA) on the theory that Americans would be more familiar with fighting racism than they would be with fighting fascism."[24]

Mark Bray, author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, credits ARA as the precursor of the modern US antifa groups in the United States and Canada.[30] In the late 1980s and 1990s, ARA activists toured with popular punk rock and skinhead bands in order to prevent Klansmen, neo-Nazis and other assorted white supremacists from recruiting.[24][31][32] Their motto was "We go where they go" by which they meant that they would confront far-right activists in concerts and actively remove their materials from public places.[33] In 2002, the ARA disrupted a speech in Pennsylvania by Matthew F. Hale, the head of the white supremacist group World Church of the Creator, resulting in a fight and twenty-five arrests.[24]

Other antifa groups in the U.S. have other genealogies, for example in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where a group called the Baldies was formed in 1987 with the intent to fight neo-Nazi groups directly.[19]
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So, Antifa is a backlash to the rise of neo nazi's and the alt right? Glad you admit it.
 
Puigb said:
So, Antifa is a backlash to the rise of neo nazi's and the alt right? Glad you admit it.
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LOL, after getting busted out on making a false and dishonest claim, instead of owning it, you build a strawman. Lame as hell but not a surprise. I am used to "debating" the left.
 
PoppyCock said:
LOL, after getting busted out on making a false and dishonest claim, instead of owning it, you build a strawman. Lame as hell but not a surprise. I am used to "debating" the left.
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you just proved me right. Let me ask you this, where was antifa in 2012? or 2013? or 2014? They seemed to appear when neo nazi's were cheerleading for Trump.
 
Puigb said:
you just proved me right. Let me ask you this, where was antifa in 2012? or 2013? or 2014? They seemed to appear when neo nazi's were cheerleading for Trump.
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Double down and keep digging, they are not new, i provided you the facts on their history in the USA, just continue to pretend you did not see it.

In regards to the bolded: only in your own mind.
 
PoppyCock said:
Double down and keep digging, they are not new, i provided you the facts on their history in the USA, just continue to pretend you did not see it.
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so again, where was antifa at Romney rallies in 2012?
 
PoppyCock said:
Double down and keep digging, they are not new, i provided you the facts on their history in the USA, just continue to pretend you did not see it.

In regards to the bolded: only in your own mind.
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This is embarrassing for you.
 
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