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If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

SonOfDaedalus

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If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a one-term failure like Jimmy Carter and Bush I?
 
no. those one term presidents were not panting fools.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a one-term failure like Jimmy Carter and Bush I?
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who can say really, i'll remember him as a bonafied jackass who sowed division and hatred
 
Worst president ever.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a one-term failure like Jimmy Carter and Bush I?
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Re-elected or not, Trump will go down in history as the most divisive, bigoted, lying sack of **** to occupy the oval in modern history (maybe of all time).
 
The only person who could be considered more of a failure than Trump, would be the person who lost an election to that ****head
 
He’s certainly given us something to look forward to. “Remembered”!
 
Chillfolks said:
The only person who could be considered more of a failure than Trump, would be the person who lost an election to that ****head
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That’s funny, I don’t care who you are! LoL
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a one-term failure like Jimmy Carter and Bush I?
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Seeing as he's already been doing a pretty good job, despite how people are trying to sell it. I for one don't think he's a failure.

Yes, we could've done without the tweets, the extended pissing contest and the gaffes. But he's no worse than some of the last few jackasses we've had in the Whitehouse. Bush Jr got us into a war that was not necessary and Obama sowed more division than even what the left fully believes of Trump.

If he's one term, then let him just be a one term president and let all of the hysteria die.
 
Oborosen said:
Seeing as he's already been doing a pretty good job, despite how people are trying to sell it. I for one don't think he's a failure.

Yes, we could've done without the tweets, the extended pissing contest and the gaffes. But he's no worse than some of the last few jackasses we've had in the Whitehouse. Bush Jr got us into a war that was not necessary and Obama sowed more division than even what the left fully believes of Trump.

If he's one term, then let him just be a one term president and let all of the hysteria die.
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Your perception that he's doing a good job is based on the economy. The economy is like the weather. You might as well give him credit for sunny days.

The only reason we're not at war with Iran right now is the Europeans stepped in and rescued the Iran deal. Trump has no North Korea deal and no Iran deal despite all his big talk.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a one-term failure like Jimmy Carter and Bush I?
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I do not view Carter as a failure.
He had his weaknesses but overall I believe he is under-appreciated.
 
Ahlevah said:
Won't happen. Democrats are determined to write a sequel to their 1972 campaign. They've done a good job resuscitating the McCarthy wing.

Nixon Wins Landslide Victory; Democrats Hold Senate, House
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I know how you feel. I'm preparing myself for that possibility too. If a Trump has a second term, he'll be emboldened to even worse behavior. His behavior has steadily become worse and worse over the past few years.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I do not view Carter as a failure.
He had his weaknesses but overall I believe he is under-appreciated.
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I agree with you but most people see him as a failure. I even hear liberals say that. His presidency was before my time so I don't know much about it. I don't think the oil crisis and Iran hostage crisis was his fault. I know he did a lot of positive deregulation. I think he just came into office at the wrong time economically. Even if he got a second term, the economy doesn't turn around until late in '84(?).

That's one of the wost problems with politics. People blame politicians for the economy but there are really so many economic factors that are outside anyone's control.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Your perception that he's doing a good job is based on the economy. The economy is like the weather. You might as well give him credit for sunny days.

The only reason we're not at war with Iran right now is the Europeans stepped in and rescued the Iran deal. Trump has no North Korea deal and no Iran deal despite all his big talk.
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I'll give him as much credit for the economy as I did for Bush Jnr and Obama. Either which, I really don't care for at this point in time.

I care for things like him pulling out of the Paris Agreement, the Tax regulatory reform, for getting more from our NATO allies, the further drop in unemployment and so on.

I don't care for the political harping on the left, or on the right.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I agree with you but most people see him as a failure. I even hear liberals say that. His presidency was before my time so I don't know much about it. I don't think the oil crisis and Iran hostage crisis was his fault. I know he did a lot of positive deregulation. I think he just came into office at the wrong time economically. Even if he got a second term, the economy doesn't turn around until late in '84(?).

That's one of the wost problems with politics. People blame politicians for the economy but there are really so many economic factors that are outside anyone's control.
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The economy wasn't anywhere near as terrible as it is today.

Example:
1977, I just arrived in Minneapolis, starving student, took a PART TIME job as a dishwasher in a greasy spoon diner.
My take home pay was approximately 300 bucks a month, maybe 350 if they gave me extra hours.

I was able to afford a sardine can one room apartment, about 120 sq ft, for $110 a month, and it had a bathroom and a kitchenette built into one wall. I made extra money playing in a band a few nights a week so I was really bringing home about 400-500 a month most of the time.
I could afford my rent, gas for my jalopy pickup truck, food, clothes, the electric bill, and even a phone. (basic service only)

The oil crisis started in 1973 (Arab Oil Embargo) and by 1976 Texas was pumping so much West Texas crude that we told the Saudis to shove it up their ass. 1976 was the year the movie "Urban Cowboy" came out, and my brother was working in the oil business right in the Texas town where it was filmed. It was a pretty accurate depiction of life down there at the time.

So by 1976..."Oil crisis? What oil crisis?"

And I don't know any dishwashers who can afford an apartment, food, clothing, fuel and utilities on a minimum wage salary today.

Today's economy is terrific if you're making a lot of money.
If you're an average working stiff, it's worse than it's ever been.
 
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
Today's economy is terrific if you're making a lot of money.
If you're an average working stiff, it's worse than it's ever been.
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What I want to know is who is buying all of this crap that companies are paying Facebook and Google tens of billions of dollars to peddle.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a one-term failure like Jimmy Carter and Bush I?
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When he losses, he should stands trial for his crimes, so I hope he's remembered as a convict...
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a one-term failure like Jimmy Carter and Bush I?
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There's really only one reason he's a failure and that is his tax plan.

He talks about growth, but when that crash comes for him to choke up on the bat, what will be net growth then?

If he failed to pass his tax plan I would leave him alone and he could have a second term and even as it is he might win because some of the Democratic Candidates have Saturn returns close to their reign and many do not beat him astrologically.

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Ahlevah said:
What I want to know is who is buying all of this crap that companies are paying Facebook and Google tens of billions of dollars to peddle.
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Exaggeration but in any case as I stated, if you're making a lot of money, as in good middle class or upper middle class or above, it's a terrific economy. But the economy today is like a well trained athlete who happens to have a nagging case of chronic osteomyelitis in or more extremities.

A professional athlete is trained and conditioned to work or play "through the pain".

But osteomyelitis doesn't just go away if you ignore it.

Chronic osteomyelitis may be due to the presence of intracellular bacteria (inside bone cells).[14] Also, once intracellular, the bacteria are able to escape and invade other bone cells.[15] At this point, the bacteria may be resistant to some antibiotics. These combined facts may explain the chronicity and difficult eradication of this disease, resulting in significant costs and disability, potentially leading to amputation.
Before the availability of antibiotics the risk of death was significant.
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The lower middle class and working poor in today's economy are under acute financial stress.
You cannot ignore that issue just because the upper classes are doing well.
An economy where there is a wide gap between those doing well and the average working family is not a healthy economy, even if it shows good "numbers".

Such an economy is thought to be semi-feudal in nature and characteristics.
The plantation economy of the old Antebellum South exhibited incredible displays of wealth but significant numbers of both white and black families endured shocking poverty. The old Antebellum South is remembered fondly by those who enjoyed life in the ownership and stewardship class on the plantation and the mercantilists, not so much by the illiterate dirt farmers.
 
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