• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

I'm going to vehemently disagree with you Bob, for quite a few reasons.

Thus far Trump's "accomplishments" are limited to rolling back Obama's EOs and pulling out of the Paris Accord and the Iran Nuclear deal. Pulling out of something isn't an accomplishment, although it would have been an accomplishment if his father had pulled out the night he was conceived.

Trump is President in the era where everything he says, does, and Tweets is captured for anyone's interpretation down the road. We don't have Franklin Pierce or Benjamin Harrison on video. We can only judge their Presidencies based on what can be proven via legislation and true victories (like winning a war or successfully growing the country). Their personalities and words are only available to us in very limited, VERY limited, quantities, and mostly then only in official records.

All Presidents who appeared on television or on the "internet" in any way shape and form can be viewed as the people that they were. That really didn't start until FDR and since then, and going forward, the personality of the person will also be taken into account.

Trump's antics are amusing today to his loyal fans, but in generations to come, they will be viewed as ignorant and clownish.

I don't waist time exchanging posts with Cult members who refuse to admit the empty headed, unhinged Nutjob isn't racist, divisive, running a family cabal or has contempt for our Democratic allies and an affinity with murdering despots. I respond to opinions from posters I know live in reality. I agree with you more often than not, but you're way off base here.

Anyone who has taken an American history class in high school, knows how corrupt the Grant administration was. Don makes him look like an amateur right now, how will he be looked at after all the investigations are concluded? His stupid quotes, "I have a big brain", might not be remembered, but all his well documented hate filled Tweets that are becoming more desperate every day, will be. If president Grant is remembered, so will Don.

As I pointed out months ago, the mainstream press is now reporting on his recent threats. He's warned us not to anger all his "strong" friends, the police, firemen, gun owners and the military. Implying that if America isn't loyal enough, he'll incite them to start an insurrection. You'll be hearing more about this in the coming months. Add in his Russian connections and all his close associates being tried or pleading guilty and his place in infamy will be ensured.

The responsibility of holding the most powerful position in the world quickly ages presidents and gives them grey hair. Except Don. Historians have documented how the pressures of the office has a sobering effect on every president. It matures them as they grow 'into the office'. Except Don. Given that and after watching him over the last two years, can't we acknowledge that lacking deal making skills, he'll never promote or pass any policies, let alone one that'll improve our country?

It's true that he won't be remembered for his policies, but his term and it's effect on America will be documented and passionately debated for as long as America exists. Nothing burgers are quickly forgotten, sh_t burgers go down in history...

As Jon Chait points out, "...The frightening surreality of what has happened to the United States has only begun to sink in.

You both make fine points and it wouldn't surprise me if you turn out to be right on this and I am wrong. As of now I am just not convinced he is going to make that big of a mark in the long run. Yeah, he has appointed a good number of judges and justices but those appointments aren't any more radical than what a normal Republican president would appoint. We always put a disproportionate amount of importance on the present when anticipating how it will be viewed in the context of history. That is why almost every poll asking people to rate the presidents from worst to best almost always lists the most recent presidents at the time of the poll as among the worst and best. But maybe this is one of those times when present views of the President will line up with future views. I DO think his presidency will be mentioned a lot in pol-sci classes when they discuss our system of checks and balances, as that has certainly been put to the test.
 
You're going to hear Trump utter one word a lot next year: "socialist." That should do the trick.

You guys tried that in the mid-terms, and the results were a record 60 million people voting against the GOP.
 
You guys tried that in the mid-terms, and the results were a record 60 million people voting against the GOP.

We know where California, New York, and Massachusetts are going. I only care about Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. If Bozo O'Rourke can pass himself off as a white Obama with a cool slogan and no clarity about where he really stands on issues, then he might beat Trump. But I don't see any of these other Democratic clowns doing it. Politically, they're all on another planet.

‘He’s the real deal’: Beto’s jaw-dropping windfall quiets critics
 
Last edited:
We know where California, New York, and Massachusetts are going. I only care about Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Florida. If Bozo O'Rourke can pass himself off as a white Obama with a cool slogan and no clarity about where he really stands on issues, then he might beat Trump. But I don't see any of these other Democratic clowns doing it. Politically, they're all on another planet.

‘He’s the real deal’: Beto’s jaw-dropping windfall quiets critics

Trump is actually the most beatable Republican to run in decades. Basically, all it takes is to flip back the 3 blue states Trump won by 80,000 votes in 2016, and he's toast.
 
We know where California, New York, and Massachusetts are going. I only care about Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. If Bozo O'Rourke can pass himself off as a white Obama with a cool slogan and no clarity about where he really stands on issues, then he might beat Trump. But I don't see any of these other Democratic clowns doing it. Politically, they're all on another planet.

‘He’s the real deal’: Beto’s jaw-dropping windfall quiets critics

Well, that's how Trump won the GOP primaries and later the presidency in the first place. Maybe the Democratic nominee should follow in his footsteps.
 
Trump is actually the most beatable Republican to run in decades. Basically, all it takes is to flip back the 3 blue states Trump won by 80,000 votes in 2016, and he's toast.

Yeah, easy. I'm sure Democrats will show up in Wisconsin this time. ;) But underestimate Trump at your peril.
 
Yeah, easy. I'm sure Democrats will show up in Wisconsin this time. ;) But underestimate Trump at your peril.

Why not? They actually have seem him in action now as president, and that's why his party lost the house, with a record 60 million people voting against his party.

Trump sucks, he should have never won in the first place. I don't doubt a possibility of the Dems losing in 2020, not because of Trump (who is very beatable), but because the Dems have proven that they find ways to lose elections that Republicans are giving to them on a silver platter.
 
Back
Top Bottom