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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    I do not view Carter as a failure.
    He had his weaknesses but overall I believe he is under-appreciated.
    Agreed, he was also the most honorable president in my lifetime, with Obama a close second...

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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Today's economy is terrific if you're making a lot of money.
    If you're an average working stiff, it's worse than it's ever been.
    What I want to know is who is buying all of this crap that companies are paying Facebook and Google tens of billions of dollars to peddle.
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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a one-term failure like Jimmy Carter and Bush I?
    When he losses, he should stands trial for his crimes, so I hope he's remembered as a convict...
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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a one-term failure like Jimmy Carter and Bush I?
    There's really only one reason he's a failure and that is his tax plan.

    He talks about growth, but when that crash comes for him to choke up on the bat, what will be net growth then?

    If he failed to pass his tax plan I would leave him alone and he could have a second term and even as it is he might win because some of the Democratic Candidates have Saturn returns close to their reign and many do not beat him astrologically.

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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    What I want to know is who is buying all of this crap that companies are paying Facebook and Google tens of billions of dollars to peddle.
    Exaggeration but in any case as I stated, if you're making a lot of money, as in good middle class or upper middle class or above, it's a terrific economy. But the economy today is like a well trained athlete who happens to have a nagging case of chronic osteomyelitis in or more extremities.

    A professional athlete is trained and conditioned to work or play "through the pain".

    But osteomyelitis doesn't just go away if you ignore it.

    Chronic osteomyelitis may be due to the presence of intracellular bacteria (inside bone cells).[14] Also, once intracellular, the bacteria are able to escape and invade other bone cells.[15] At this point, the bacteria may be resistant to some antibiotics. These combined facts may explain the chronicity and difficult eradication of this disease, resulting in significant costs and disability, potentially leading to amputation.
    Before the availability of antibiotics the risk of death was significant.
    The lower middle class and working poor in today's economy are under acute financial stress.
    You cannot ignore that issue just because the upper classes are doing well.
    An economy where there is a wide gap between those doing well and the average working family is not a healthy economy, even if it shows good "numbers".

    Such an economy is thought to be semi-feudal in nature and characteristics.
    The plantation economy of the old Antebellum South exhibited incredible displays of wealth but significant numbers of both white and black families endured shocking poverty. The old Antebellum South is remembered fondly by those who enjoyed life in the ownership and stewardship class on the plantation and the mercantilists, not so much by the illiterate dirt farmers.
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    No apologies accepted. We will be looking to imprison all those involved in subverting a sitting President. These traitors need to be ferreted out, put on trial and thrown in jail until they rot.

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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a one-term failure like Jimmy Carter and Bush I?
    I'm not so sure he will run for reelection.

    It depends on who the Democratic nominee is. If it's Sanders or Warren, he'll give it a shot and see where the chips fall. OTOH, if Biden or Harris get the nod, he'll run like a bitch, because he knows he'll get massacred across the country and then be a "loser" on the biggest stage in the world, and there's no way he'll let that happen knowingly.

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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    When it is all said and done I don't think he will make much of a mark on the history books. Everybody likes talking about his insane tweets and behavior now but 30 years from now nobody is going to care about such irrelevant things. If he wants to be remembered for policies or anything substantive he better get to work because as of now his legacy is a nothing burger.
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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    When it is all said and done I don't think he will make much of a mark on the history books. Everybody likes talking about his insane tweets and behavior now but 30 years from now nobody is going to care about such irrelevant things. If he wants to be remembered for policies or anything substantive he better get to work because as of now his legacy is a nothing burger.
    It's all his tax cut.

    His legacy is letting a bunch of rich ******** get away with all the loot.

    How are we going to pull this back to center?

    How are we going to start making rules that make sense, not just flipping back and forth from one ideology to another like a pan fish on the pavement with a hook in its mouth?
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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    The economy wasn't anywhere near as terrible as it is today.

    Example:
    1977, I just arrived in Minneapolis, starving student, took a PART TIME job as a dishwasher in a greasy spoon diner.
    My take home pay was approximately 300 bucks a month, maybe 350 if they gave me extra hours.

    I was able to afford a sardine can one room apartment, about 120 sq ft, for $110 a month, and it had a bathroom and a kitchenette built into one wall. I made extra money playing in a band a few nights a week so I was really bringing home about 400-500 a month most of the time.
    I could afford my rent, gas for my jalopy pickup truck, food, clothes, the electric bill, and even a phone. (basic service only)

    The oil crisis started in 1973 (Arab Oil Embargo) and by 1976 Texas was pumping so much West Texas crude that we told the Saudis to shove it up their ass. 1976 was the year the movie "Urban Cowboy" came out, and my brother was working in the oil business right in the Texas town where it was filmed. It was a pretty accurate depiction of life down there at the time.

    So by 1976..."Oil crisis? What oil crisis?"

    And I don't know any dishwashers who can afford an apartment, food, clothing, fuel and utilities on a minimum wage salary today.

    Today's economy is terrific if you're making a lot of money.
    If you're an average working stiff, it's worse than it's ever been.
    That's why the jobless rate is low, people have to hold onto two jobs to be able to afford their mortgage, food, clothes and medicine for their families.

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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    That's why the jobless rate is low, people have to hold onto two jobs to be able to afford their mortgage, food, clothes and medicine for their families.
    Even if that is not quite the case (some BLS figures dispute it) the fact is, A LOT of the new jobs are minimum wage or very low wage, and the cost of living is still skyrocketing anyway.
    It is the DESPAIR QUOTIENT.

    Liberal economics seeks to reduce the despair quotient by egalitarian efforts.
    The result makes for a healthier economy for all.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaOmega View Post
    No apologies accepted. We will be looking to imprison all those involved in subverting a sitting President. These traitors need to be ferreted out, put on trial and thrown in jail until they rot.

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