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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chillfolks View Post
    The only person who could be considered more of a failure than Trump, would be the person who lost an election to that ****head
    That’s funny, I don’t care who you are! LoL
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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a one-term failure like Jimmy Carter and Bush I?
    Seeing as he's already been doing a pretty good job, despite how people are trying to sell it. I for one don't think he's a failure.

    Yes, we could've done without the tweets, the extended pissing contest and the gaffes. But he's no worse than some of the last few jackasses we've had in the Whitehouse. Bush Jr got us into a war that was not necessary and Obama sowed more division than even what the left fully believes of Trump.

    If he's one term, then let him just be a one term president and let all of the hysteria die.
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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    If Trump loses in 2020....
    Won't happen. Democrats are determined to write a sequel to their 1972 campaign. They've done a good job resuscitating the McCarthy wing.

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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Seeing as he's already been doing a pretty good job, despite how people are trying to sell it. I for one don't think he's a failure.

    Yes, we could've done without the tweets, the extended pissing contest and the gaffes. But he's no worse than some of the last few jackasses we've had in the Whitehouse. Bush Jr got us into a war that was not necessary and Obama sowed more division than even what the left fully believes of Trump.

    If he's one term, then let him just be a one term president and let all of the hysteria die.
    Your perception that he's doing a good job is based on the economy. The economy is like the weather. You might as well give him credit for sunny days.

    The only reason we're not at war with Iran right now is the Europeans stepped in and rescued the Iran deal. Trump has no North Korea deal and no Iran deal despite all his big talk.

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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a one-term failure like Jimmy Carter and Bush I?
    I do not view Carter as a failure.
    He had his weaknesses but overall I believe he is under-appreciated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Russia did no such thing. Oh...for sure, they might have tried to "affect" our stupid, useful idiot voters but they didn't do anything to "fix" our election.

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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Won't happen. Democrats are determined to write a sequel to their 1972 campaign. They've done a good job resuscitating the McCarthy wing.

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    I know how you feel. I'm preparing myself for that possibility too. If a Trump has a second term, he'll be emboldened to even worse behavior. His behavior has steadily become worse and worse over the past few years.

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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a one-term failure like Jimmy Carter and Bush I?
    Remember the statues of Saddam?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Russia did no such thing. Oh...for sure, they might have tried to "affect" our stupid, useful idiot voters but they didn't do anything to "fix" our election.

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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    I do not view Carter as a failure.
    He had his weaknesses but overall I believe he is under-appreciated.
    I agree with you but most people see him as a failure. I even hear liberals say that. His presidency was before my time so I don't know much about it. I don't think the oil crisis and Iran hostage crisis was his fault. I know he did a lot of positive deregulation. I think he just came into office at the wrong time economically. Even if he got a second term, the economy doesn't turn around until late in '84(?).

    That's one of the wost problems with politics. People blame politicians for the economy but there are really so many economic factors that are outside anyone's control.

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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    Your perception that he's doing a good job is based on the economy. The economy is like the weather. You might as well give him credit for sunny days.

    The only reason we're not at war with Iran right now is the Europeans stepped in and rescued the Iran deal. Trump has no North Korea deal and no Iran deal despite all his big talk.
    I'll give him as much credit for the economy as I did for Bush Jnr and Obama. Either which, I really don't care for at this point in time.

    I care for things like him pulling out of the Paris Agreement, the Tax regulatory reform, for getting more from our NATO allies, the further drop in unemployment and so on.

    I don't care for the political harping on the left, or on the right.
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    But even a cornered rat, with no choice, will fight.
    Yes my son and that should tell you more than you need to know about the coward.

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    Re: If Trump loses in 2020 will he be remembered as a failure?

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    I agree with you but most people see him as a failure. I even hear liberals say that. His presidency was before my time so I don't know much about it. I don't think the oil crisis and Iran hostage crisis was his fault. I know he did a lot of positive deregulation. I think he just came into office at the wrong time economically. Even if he got a second term, the economy doesn't turn around until late in '84(?).

    That's one of the wost problems with politics. People blame politicians for the economy but there are really so many economic factors that are outside anyone's control.
    The economy wasn't anywhere near as terrible as it is today.

    Example:
    1977, I just arrived in Minneapolis, starving student, took a PART TIME job as a dishwasher in a greasy spoon diner.
    My take home pay was approximately 300 bucks a month, maybe 350 if they gave me extra hours.

    I was able to afford a sardine can one room apartment, about 120 sq ft, for $110 a month, and it had a bathroom and a kitchenette built into one wall. I made extra money playing in a band a few nights a week so I was really bringing home about 400-500 a month most of the time.
    I could afford my rent, gas for my jalopy pickup truck, food, clothes, the electric bill, and even a phone. (basic service only)

    The oil crisis started in 1973 (Arab Oil Embargo) and by 1976 Texas was pumping so much West Texas crude that we told the Saudis to shove it up their ass. 1976 was the year the movie "Urban Cowboy" came out, and my brother was working in the oil business right in the Texas town where it was filmed. It was a pretty accurate depiction of life down there at the time.

    So by 1976..."Oil crisis? What oil crisis?"

    And I don't know any dishwashers who can afford an apartment, food, clothing, fuel and utilities on a minimum wage salary today.

    Today's economy is terrific if you're making a lot of money.
    If you're an average working stiff, it's worse than it's ever been.
    Last edited by Checkerboard Strangler; 03-15-19 at 11:26 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Russia did no such thing. Oh...for sure, they might have tried to "affect" our stupid, useful idiot voters but they didn't do anything to "fix" our election.

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