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This may be impolitic, but...

Chillfolks said:
The coverage isn’t about information it’s about pushing a agenda to increase gun control here. the Coverage is just a tool in the propaganda arsenal
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So you do not think it is coverable news when 50 people are shot by a White supremacy follower who lists Trump in his manifesto. This is what bothers me about only guns count people, they think everything is all about their issue. It also bothers me that only guns count people seem to have no sympathy for those that are killed in these raids. The only thing that comes out of their posts are how the killings effect their right to bear arms. All good Christians I am sure.
 
independentusa said:
So you do not think it is coverable news when 50 people are shot by a White supremacy follower who lists Trump in his manifesto.
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Did I say that.No I didn’t.
This is what bothers me about only guns count people, they think everything is all about their issue.
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That is the problem with you restricting rights folks you make up stuff to justify your regresive thought pattern.
It also bothers me that only guns count people seem to have no sympathy for those that are killed in these raids. The only thing that comes out of their posts are how the killings effect their right to bear arms. All good Christians I am sure.
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I pity the fool that is unable to grasp the simple concept of comparison for those who suffer a loss and simultaneously wanting to protect their rights. Religious affiliations are not part of who gets or doesn’t get to exercise a right in our country.
 
Fledermaus said:
Terrorism is over rated....

Hmmmmmm

Where were you when 9/11 occurred?

You must have missed it.
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Watched it live on TV. I read "Crossing the Rubicon" by Michael Ruppert and found all the details, 750 pages, that the MSM left out. Looked to me like the Saudis were behind 9/11, or not, and the fact that ongoing military exercises (4 to be exact) during the same time frame were creating false radar echoes that confused any ATCs trying to identify aircraft. You should read it.

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DaveFagan said:
Watched it live on TV. I read "Crossing the Rubicon" by Michael Ruppert and found all the details, 750 pages, that the MSM left out. Looked to me like the Saudis were behind 9/11, or not, and the fact that ongoing military exercises (4 to be exact) during the same time frame were creating false radar echoes that confused any ATCs trying to identify aircraft. You should read it.

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Saudis were involved in fundraising, etc. and I am sure more than one Saudi prince has blood on his hands.

But it was OBL and Mohammed Atta and that did the damage.

The military exercises were irrelevant and in one case enhanced reaction times. Bet you didn't know that.

And the "False radar" garbage is just that. Garbage. NORAD/NEADS has no connection to ATCs.

Stop getting your "information" from conspiracy theory websites and you might get things correct.
 
Fledermaus said:
Saudis were involved in fundraising, etc. and I am sure more than one Saudi prince has blood on his hands.

But it was OBL and Mohammed Atta and that did the damage.

The military exercises were irrelevant and in one case enhanced reaction times. Bet you didn't know that.

And the "False radar" garbage is just that. Garbage. NORAD/NEADS has no connection to ATCs.

Stop getting your "information" from conspiracy theory websites and you might get things correct.
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Enjoy your bubble/matrix. Updates from Pete on the way.. False radar echoes have everything to do with ATCs.

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DaveFagan said:
Enjoy your bubble/matrix. Updates from Pete on the way.. False radar echoes have everything to do with ATCs.

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Intentional ignorance of the difference between NORAD and ATC radars.

NORAD /NEADS radar is divorced form the radar used by ATCs.

CLUE:. NORAD/NEADS radar aimed for external threats. ATC radar is for tracking civilian and military traffic internally.

This is what happens when you get your "information" from conspiracy sites. You make stupid statements like "False radar echoes have everything to do with ATCs."

But feel free to explain how a military NORAD training exercise affected civilian ATC radar.

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Bullseye said:
Trump as a racist mindset.
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Um, that's not a mindset. He chose tenants based on the colour of their skin,and refused to rent to blacks. That's the definition of racist.

Christ, he's used ads so racist, FOX News refused to carry them.
 
Xelor said:
This may be impolitic, but am I the only one who isn't interested in "all day long" US news coverage of a mass shooting/terrorist shooting in New Zealand?

Don't get me wrong, I'd be quite interested in in-depth scholarly analysis of the event and what it suggests, portends, etc. for a host of criminal and cultural trends. But this soon, nothing of that sort is going to emerge. Yes, the shooter is a "whites-only" whacko. We're very familiar with them; we have far too many of them in the US, including the "on the DL" one in the WH. Antipodean ones aren't materially different; they just have nifty accents.

Barring that, however, I'm "worn out" on "24/7" news about one-off nutjob mass shootings in the US. I'm truly not interested in "up to the minute" information about an event two-thirds of the way around the world from the US.

I don't know about you, but the arrest of two of the 2015 Paris bombing attackers in A-dam is, to more interesting, to say nothing of lots of stuff going on in the US.
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Unfortunately, life in a Capitalistic society is always about money and that applies to all news stations. To change this we would need to change the populations mind set and that is not going to happen, especially under a Trump presidency which is all about money and greed.

Yes, most everyone is affected and cares about misfortune and pain but would it be as reported if there was no money involved? I don't think so, at least not to the point that it is reported now.
 
Fledermaus said:
Intentional ignorance of the difference between NORAD and ATC radars.

NORAD /NEADS radar is divorced form the radar used by ATCs.

CLUE:. NORAD/NEADS radar aimed for external threats. ATC radar is for tracking civilian and military traffic internally.

This is what happens when you get your "information" from conspiracy sites. You make stupid statements like "False radar echoes have everything to do with ATCs."

But feel free to explain how a military NORAD training exercise affected civilian ATC radar.

(This should be good)
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False echoes are intended for ATC radar. Determine microwave frequency. Establish pulse width. Duplicate frequency and send pulse with your own timing to put blip at specific distance pre-selected. Common as horse turds.

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Xelor said:
This may be impolitic, but am I the only one who isn't interested in "all day long" US news coverage of a mass shooting/terrorist shooting in New Zealand?

Don't get me wrong, I'd be quite interested in in-depth scholarly analysis of the event and what it suggests, portends, etc. for a host of criminal and cultural trends. But this soon, nothing of that sort is going to emerge. Yes, the shooter is a "whites-only" whacko. We're very familiar with them; we have far too many of them in the US, including the "on the DL" one in the WH. Antipodean ones aren't materially different; they just have nifty accents.

Barring that, however, I'm "worn out" on "24/7" news about one-off nutjob mass shootings in the US. I'm truly not interested in "up to the minute" information about an event two-thirds of the way around the world from the US.

I don't know about you, but the arrest of two of the 2015 Paris bombing attackers in A-dam is, to more interesting, to say nothing of lots of stuff going on in the US.
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Deal with it; we had weeks of Columbine, Sandy Hook and 9/11 coverage here in the UK.
 
Xelor said:
Look, this event occurred about as far away from the US as it's possible for an inhabited nation to be, yet it's all over the news, and still is.

More proximate and comparably heinous (relatively) recent events have gone largely unreported, at least on the telly.

Mass shootings/killings seem, compared to their incidence in the US, rare. One'd thus expect all of them would be "all over" the news, yet they're not, yet the recent one in NZ is. Are we supposed to construe then that the extensive coverage reflects a material change in US television news outlets' reporting scope?

If a supervolcano in NZ erupts, sure, that's "news one can use," so to speak, from NZ. This recent event, unquestionably deplorable and gut wrenching for the victims, their families and friends, consists of a dude who traveled from Australia to NZ to kill NZ-ers. Why is this a major-enough event that it warrants so much coverage in the US?

Some have suggested the reason is that the shooter was "radicalized" by US rhetoric and white supremacist "evangelism." Others have suggested the US' dominant role in shaping world culture has resulted in the virulence and ubiquity of mass shootings in the US catalyzing similarly opprobrious comportment abroad, even as far away as in typically peaceful NZ. Very well, though I don't know whether either notion is preponderantly so, each is plausible enough that rigorous sociological/anthropological analysis of those postulates should be the focus of US news stories, stories wherein the NZ shooting is an illustrative data point, should comprise their narrative nexus. At least, I think so, because everything else about the NZ story is either (1) too geographically distant to be germane or (2) an issue with which we already grapple and routinely discuss, and one more dude, most especially not one in NZ or Australia, will alter anything about the issue.

Do I lack sympathy for the victims and their loved ones? No, of course not. Am I suggesting that we should be so emotionally vapid? No, not at all. My gravamen is if the event is going to occupy so much airtime, then don't devote the airtime to banal aspects of the matter; cover comprehensively what is, for US viewers, tropically trenchant and relevant. That's not what the news has been doing.

The news has been dull: (1) many people killed and injured; (2) the victims were Muslim; (3) the shooter is a white supremacist. That's worth hearing in the immediate aftermath of the event, but afterwards, for an event so far away, something more substantive than just that is needed, especially on US TV.
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The news has been 'dull'? What do you expect, parades and cheer-leaders? Or does everything need to be delivered with added screeching hysterics to gain your attention?
 
DaveFagan said:
False echoes are intended for ATC radar. Determine microwave frequency. Establish pulse width. Duplicate frequency and send pulse with your own timing to put blip at specific distance pre-selected. Common as horse turds.

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Repeating an ignorant statement does not make it less ignorant.

None of what you imagined happened....

NORAD radar will not "Determine microwave frequency. Establish pulse width. Duplicate frequency and send pulse with your own timing to put blip at specific distance pre-selected."

You are, once again, talking out your ass.

It tracks external threat. It is not capable of Electromagnetic Counter Measures of which you describe.
 
snakestretcher said:
The news has been 'dull'? What do you expect, parades and cheer-leaders? Or does everything need to be delivered with added screeching hysterics to gain your attention?
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Red:
The news I had in mind when I wrote, "The news has been dull: (1) many people killed and injured; (2) the victims were Muslim; (3) the shooter is a white supremacist," is the after the news reported after the first four-to-six hours or so following the NZ shooting.

I'm sorry. I'd hoped my thesis (I put it near the end of of the essay instead of at the beginning) would have allowed readers to glean that.
  • "My gravamen is if the event is going to occupy so much airtime, then don't devote the airtime to banal aspects of the matter; cover comprehensively what is, for US viewers, tropically trenchant and relevant. That's not what the news has been doing."
The final sentence, which is the one to which I think your "red" remark refers, merely illustrated the trite nature of coverage US news viewers have, subsequent to four to six hours after the shooting, received regarding the NZ event.

That coverage has been very "who, what, how and where," but it should have been either far more analytical or far less time-occupying. (Obviously so soon, the why isn't knowable; thus less time-occupying as the only real option.) A single event in NZ makes the who, what, how and where largely insignificant to US audiences.
 
Xelor said:
This may be impolitic, but am I the only one who isn't interested in "all day long" US news coverage of a mass shooting/terrorist shooting in New Zealand?

Don't get me wrong, I'd be quite interested in in-depth scholarly analysis of the event and what it suggests, portends, etc. for a host of criminal and cultural trends. But this soon, nothing of that sort is going to emerge. Yes, the shooter is a "whites-only" whacko. We're very familiar with them; we have far too many of them in the US, including the "on the DL" one in the WH. Antipodean ones aren't materially different; they just have nifty accents.

Barring that, however, I'm "worn out" on "24/7" news about one-off nutjob mass shootings in the US. I'm truly not interested in "up to the minute" information about an event two-thirds of the way around the world from the US.

I don't know about you, but the arrest of two of the 2015 Paris bombing attackers in A-dam is, to more interesting, to say nothing of lots of stuff going on in the US.
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I mean, you realize this could be read as "Let's not talk about white terrorists, let's only talk about Muslim ones"....right? It could also be read as "Muslims killed by terrorists bore me, please let's talk about what pertains to white victims".

Don't worry, Xel...this will fade into the background noise soon enough, the news outlets will move on to some other tragedy, we're never long without a new one. Here's hoping the next one is more "interesting".
 
independentusa said:
So you do not think it is coverable news when 50 people are shot by a White supremacy follower who lists Trump in his manifesto. This is what bothers me about only guns count people, they think everything is all about their issue. It also bothers me that only guns count people seem to have no sympathy for those that are killed in these raids. The only thing that comes out of their posts are how the killings effect their right to bear arms. All good Christians I am sure.
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The MSM cause more of these people to pop out and do the same thing. These extremists want to make the news and the news want to make the extremists. It's a win win for both sides. Meanwhile, innocent people die because of this marriage.
 
OlNate said:
I mean, you realize this could be read as "Let's not talk about white terrorists, let's only talk about Muslim ones"....right? It could also be read as "Muslims killed by terrorists bore me, please let's talk about what pertains to white victims".

Don't worry, Xel...this will fade into the background noise soon enough, the news outlets will move on to some other tragedy, we're never long without a new one. Here's hoping the next one is more "interesting".
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Red:
Yes, I'm aware that can happen. The risk of folks making unfounded inferences has never squelched me.
 
Xelor said:
Red:
Yes, I'm aware that can happen. The risk of folks making unfounded inferences has never squelched me.
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Yaaaa….but you knew ahead of time it was impolitic, so you knew you were saying something ugly...apathetic at best.

Sometimes the thoughts we have are best kept to ourselves. This hurt a lot of people around the world. I would say the people who don't care about this are far outweighed by those who do. Patience is advised...but probably not too many ****s given.
 
Moderate Right said:
The MSM cause more of these people to pop out and do the same thing. These extremists want to make the news and the news want to make the extremists. It's a win win for both sides. Meanwhile, innocent people die because of this marriage.
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Red:
  1. More than what?
  2. After answering #1, can you please provide some sort of methodologically sound research (a single study or your own argument that soundly/cogently aggregates the findings of multiple studies that you reference) that shows the thus-clarified assertion as materially true? If you can, would you please do so?

Blue:
Can you provide something (methodologically sound research or your own argument that soundly/cogently aggregates the findings of multiple studies that you reference) that soundly/cogently shows the "blue" assertion is true? If you can, would you please do so?
 
OlNate said:
Yaaaa….but you knew ahead of time it was impolitic, so you knew you were saying something ugly...apathetic at best.

Sometimes the thoughts we have are best kept to ourselves. This hurt a lot of people around the world. I would say the people who don't care about this are far outweighed by those who do. Patience is advised...but probably not too many ****s given.
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Red:
- Don't care about what "this?"
- Have you inferred, based on my OP, I'm among those who don't care about whatever be the "this" you have in mind?
 
Xelor said:
Red:
  1. More than what?
  2. After answering #1, can you please provide some sort of methodologically sound research (a single study or your own argument that soundly/cogently aggregates the findings of multiple studies that you reference) that shows the thus-clarified assertion as materially true? If you can, would you please do so?

Blue:
Can you provide something (methodologically sound research or your own argument that soundly/cogently aggregates the findings of multiple studies that you reference) that soundly/cogently shows the "blue" assertion is true? If you can, would you please do so?
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Let me ask you this question: If we know that these bad guys want to make the news and that it incites more of these people to do the same thing at some point in the future, wouldn't it be more prudent at saving lives if the media didn't turn them into heroes of their cult followings? Don't you think if we didn't name these people and only put on a 15 second clip of the incident that this would go a long way into not inciting more to do the same? The press are the ones who incite more of the same and it helps their ratings.
 
Xelor said:
Red:
- Don't care about what "this?"
- Have you inferred, based on my OP, I'm among those who don't care about whatever be the "this" you have in mind?
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"This", in this case, refers to the terrorist attack in New Zealand that left 50 people dead.

And, well, ya, you came on here to complain about it being in the news too much... :shrug: What should I take away? That you're just too emotionally invested, and care too much about those poor Muslim folks that you can't handle another moment of the coverage? hehe...

Again, I'm not necessarily accusing you of anything...could be you just didn't realize how bad the optics are on what you're putting forward. But it does make it seem a little suspicious when you come out basically saying "Let's talk less about white terrorists, and talk more about Muslim terrorists." You don't think so? If not, then what was the impolitic bit you were talking about?
 
Xelor said:
Has the kind of gun the guy used even been mentioned? It may have been. I don't know. I just don't recall having heard it and I have noticed there's not this time a major outcry about semiautomatic weapons.
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Here's one of the asshole's weapons, with magazines.

He also had 2 shotguns and more rifles.

One of the rifles he used in his video had the meme "Kebob Remover" written on it.

The guy put a lot of thought into it, just to **** with the media and Twitter.
 
Fledermaus said:
Repeating an ignorant statement does not make it less ignorant.

None of what you imagined happened....

NORAD radar will not "Determine microwave frequency. Establish pulse width. Duplicate frequency and send pulse with your own timing to put blip at specific distance pre-selected."

You are, once again, talking out your ass.

It tracks external threat. It is not capable of Electromagnetic Counter Measures of which you describe.
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NORAD is not the culprit. It is ECM, airborne and portable, and fixed.

Wake up.

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