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Is a Biden, Beto the winning ticket???

1998? That was 20 years ago. Whatever happened to "compassionate Conservatism"? /s
 
Lakryte said:
I hear you on that point. But regardless of who he picks for VP, I would still be concerned about his age. I'd prefer a younger top of the ticket.
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My concern with Biden as well. I'm going to vote for the Democratic candidate for the first time in my life, and i prefer someone younger. Biden is in great shape for his age, but his age is too advanced for me.
 
Crovax said:
Exactly my point the only argument for Biden is that he’s not Trump. You can rarely win by just being not someone else
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But you also can. Look at Trump. How many people voted for him because he wasn't Clinton? On this very board I can think of a dozen or so who made that exact claim.

And there's me. For the first time in 40 years I plan to vote for the Democratic candidate, because it isn't Trump.
 
GDViking said:
Biden to fix the nation and bring us back to the center, and reunite the nation...

Beto to appeal to younger voters looking for change...

If biden runs on one term with Beto the likely successor, how could they lose?
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To be perfectly frank, I think Biden is a has-been and O'Rourke is a never-was. You need to take a good, hard look at Biden's last two attempts at running for President (1988 & 2008) if you want to get a feel for how the third will go.

On paper, they both look great... in practice, not so much.

My money is on Hickenlooper-Klobuchar.
 
Cordelier said:
To be perfectly frank, I think Biden is a has-been and O'Rourke is a never-was. You need to take a good, hard look at Biden's last two attempts at running for President (1988 & 2008) if you want to get a feel for how the third will go.

On paper, they both look great... in practice, not so much.

My money is on Hickenlooper-Klobuchar.
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My *hope* is Hickenlooper, but I'm not so sure about Klobuchar. The Dem is probably going to win Minnesota anyway. I would pick a running mate who can deliver a swing state.
 
Cardinal said:
Okay, so you were speaking for yourself. But nationwide that does nothing to change the fact his corruption, fraud and criminality have had zero impact on his approval ratings since he was inaugurated.
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This is a thread about Beto O'Rourke. I posted about Beto O'Rourke.
 
tres borrachos said:
My *hope* is Hickenlooper, but I'm not so sure about Klobuchar. The Dem is probably going to win Minnesota anyway. I would pick a running mate who can deliver a swing state.
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Ideally, sure.... I've got Sherrod Brown as my alternate VP pick. But if we're talking about actually having a VP that could take over, Klobuchar is the better pick. Plus, she'd be a lot more impressive on the campaign trail, and will have built-in support and infrastructure from her campaign. Brown may (or may not) bring Ohio, but I figure Klobuchar brings more to the ticket.
 
Cordelier said:
Ideally, sure.... I've got Sherrod Brown as my alternate VP pick. But if we're talking about actually having a VP that could take over, Klobuchar is the better pick. Plus, she'd be a lot more impressive on the campaign trail, and will have built-in support and infrastructure from her campaign. Brown may (or may not) bring Ohio, but I figure Klobuchar brings more to the ticket.
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Brown was actually who I was thinking of. Ohio is so critical to the win. Trump lost MN and they have tilted left since 2016 so I don't see it being a state that is in jeopardy.

I think she's more dynamic than Brown, for sure. Brown may not bring Ohio as you said, but I think it's a better chance with him on the ticket. JMO.

Whatever transpires, it will be interesting to watch for sure. I didn't predict Pence as Trump's mate (it only made the ticket look even worse to me). I didn't predict Palin either. Ryan I understood. Kaine too.
 
tres borrachos said:
Brown was actually who I was thinking of. Ohio is so critical to the win. Trump lost MN and they have tilted left since 2016 so I don't see it being a state that is in jeopardy.

I think she's more dynamic than Brown, for sure. Brown may not bring Ohio as you said, but I think it's a better chance with him on the ticket. JMO.

Whatever transpires, it will be interesting to watch for sure. I didn't predict Pence as Trump's mate (it only made the ticket look even worse to me). I didn't predict Palin either. Ryan I understood. Kaine too.
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The VP isn't going to win the election for you, but they sure as hell can lose it.... personally, I'd rather get someone who's a proven commodity outside of their own state.

I predicted the Republican VP was going to be Pence or Kasich.... I just never predicted Trump was going to be the nominee. But the key was always going to be winning the Great Lakes states. Same thing goes this time around.

Tempermentally, I think Hickenlooper and Klobuchar are a better fit, and I think she'll still give a certain amount of regional appeal. Plus, just picture how much of a contrast she'll make to Pence in the VP debate.
 
Cordelier said:
The VP isn't going to win the election for you, but they sure as hell can lose it.... personally, I'd rather get someone who's a proven commodity outside of their own state.

I predicted the Republican VP was going to be Pence or Kasich.... I just never predicted Trump was going to be the nominee. But the key was always going to be winning the Great Lakes states. Same thing goes this time around.

Tempermentally, I think Hickenlooper and Klobuchar are a better fit, and I think she'll still give a certain amount of regional appeal. Plus, just picture how much of a contrast she'll make to Pence in the VP debate.
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I predicted that Kasich would NOT be Trump's running mate. He's too smart to align himself with that fraud.

She will wreck Pence in a debate, if it came to that. He has all the pizzazz of a Bic pen.
 
Biden/Bozo? PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE run that ticket.:mrgreen:
 
apdst said:
Thank you for admitting he has a criminal record.
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Could you please explain how one has a criminal record when they never have been convicted of a crime?
 
tres borrachos said:
But you also can. Look at Trump. How many people voted for him because he wasn't Clinton? On this very board I can think of a dozen or so who made that exact claim.

And there's me. For the first time in 40 years I plan to vote for the Democratic candidate, because it isn't Trump.
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Why now and not 2016? I didnt vote for Trump in 2016 but I sure as **** aint going to vote for Biden just because he isnt Trump. Ill vote libertarian party again if they show a strong ticket like before.
 
apdst said:
Just because he wasn't convicted doesn't mean it didn't happen. It's an accepted, supported fact that it happened.
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Wow you sure sing a different tune than when you're screeching about trumps crimes...
 
Crovax said:
Why now and not 2016? I didnt vote for Trump in 2016 but I sure as **** aint going to vote for Biden just because he isnt Trump. Ill vote libertarian party again if the show a strong ticket like before.
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I voted for Johnson in 2016.

I said in another thread a few weeks ago that I hope Biden isn't the candidate. I also hope Warren isn't. But at the end of the day there is no way I would vote for Trump, and I want him out of office. If that means voting for a Dem I don't much care for I'll do it.
 
tres borrachos said:
I predicted that Kasich would NOT be Trump's running mate. He's too smart to align himself with that fraud.

She will wreck Pence in a debate, if it came to that. He has all the pizzazz of a Bic pen.
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Well, to be fair, this was back when I figured the nominee would probably be Bush.... I figured the ideal running mate would be a Great Lakes Governor with Congressional experience.... Pence and Kasich were the two I came up with.

I think Klobuchar would clobber Pence a lot more impressively than Brown would.
 
Cordelier said:
To be perfectly frank, I think Biden is a has-been and O'Rourke is a never-was. You need to take a good, hard look at Biden's last two attempts at running for President (1988 & 2008) if you want to get a feel for how the third will go.

On paper, they both look great... in practice, not so much.

My money is on Hickenlooper-Klobuchar.
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I do like hickenlooper, however anytime I mention him i get "Hickenwho"?
 
Cordelier said:
Well, to be fair, this was back when I figured the nominee would probably be Bush.... I figured the ideal running mate would be a Great Lakes Governor with Congressional experience.... Pence and Kasich were the two I came up with.

I think Klobuchar would clobber Pence a lot more impressively than Brown would.
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I would have loved a Bush/Kasich ticket.

I would have loved any ticket that didn't contain a Trump, a Cruz, or a Huckabee.
 
tres borrachos said:
I voted for Johnson in 2016.

I said in another thread a few weeks ago that I hope Biden isn't the candidate. I also hope Warren isn't. But at the end of the day there is no way I would vote for Trump, and I want him out of office. If that means voting for a Dem I don't much care for I'll do it.
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I think the French have got the right idea when it comes to electing their president. There are multiple rounds of voting: the first one has all the candidates on the ballot, while the second round is between the two nominees who won the most votes in the first round.

I think it would be interesting if the United States adopted that system of voting in the presidential elections, it would force people who normally vote third party to actually choose between the two top contenders in the second round since they can no longer avoid making a choice.
 
tres borrachos said:
I voted for Johnson in 2016.

I said in another thread a few weeks ago that I hope Biden isn't the candidate. I also hope Warren isn't. But at the end of the day there is no way I would vote for Trump, and I want him out of office. If that means voting for a Dem I don't much care for I'll do it.
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Here's what I see happening... Biden is going to keep playing Hamlet all the rest of this year, and the thought of him joining the race will scare off a lot of the moderates. Meanwhile, with the field so crowded on the left, it'll leave the center open for Hickenlooper to run pretty much unimpeded. It'll be 1976 all over again.... when Carter came out of nowhere to win. Back then, people were looking for an anti-Nixon, and Carter fit the bill. Next year, they'll be looking for the anti-Trump.... and that will play into Hickenlooper's low-key, thoughtful approach.
 
tres borrachos said:
I predicted that Kasich would NOT be Trump's running mate. He's too smart to align himself with that fraud.

She will wreck Pence in a debate, if it came to that. He has all the pizzazz of a Bic pen.
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Hey at least you can make a spit ball gun out of a buck pen...

Ahhh good times:2razz:
 
Cordelier said:
Here's what I see happening... Biden is going to keep playing Hamlet all the rest of this year, and the thought of him joining the race will scare off a lot of the moderates. Meanwhile, with the field so crowded on the left, it'll leave the center open for Hickenlooper to run pretty much unimpeded. It'll be 1976 all over again.... when Carter came out of nowhere to win. Back then, people were looking for an anti-Nixon, and Carter fit the bill. Next year, they'll be looking for the anti-Trump.... and that will play into Hickenlooper's low-key, thoughtful approach.
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I hope you're right!
 
Cordelier said:
Here's what I see happening... Biden is going to keep playing Hamlet all the rest of this year, and the thought of him joining the race will scare off a lot of the moderates. Meanwhile, with the field so crowded on the left, it'll leave the center open for Hickenlooper to run pretty much unimpeded. It'll be 1976 all over again.... when Carter came out of nowhere to win. Back then, people were looking for an anti-Nixon, and Carter fit the bill. Next year, they'll be looking for the anti-Trump.... and that will play into Hickenlooper's low-key, thoughtful approach.
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There might be just one tiny little problem with your proposed path to victory for Hickenlooper: the progressive base wants something more.
 
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