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    Re: Sandy Hook families can sue gun manufacturer Remington, lower court ruling overturned

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    2a lovers head's are gonna explode!
    Because manufacturer's should be liable for criminal misuse of their product(s).

    Drunk driving is car manufacturer's fault; knife killings are kitchenware manufacturer's fault...etc.

    Complete IDIOCY. Will not stand....
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    Re: Sandy Hook families can sue gun manufacturer Remington, lower court ruling overturned

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Wait 'til someone points one at you. I suspect something then'll strike you as a health hazard.
    I assure you it wont because it is not a health issue.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families can sue gun manufacturer Remington, lower court ruling overturned

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    Studies by the centers for Disease Control (CDC) were showing that guns were a serious public health hazard, no different than smoking. That’s why the gun lobby pushed congress to ban further research there, and successfully pushed for gag orders on physicians from even being able to bring up the findings with their patients.

    Gun Violence as a Public Health Issue – Science-Based Medicine

    Bans on research and gag orders in Physicians, because we are a free country, right?
    Firearms are not parallel to cigarettes. There was no safe use of cigarettes but there are safe uses for firearms. The misuse of firearms is the problem but not the firearm itself. Cigarettes are themselves the problem as they were loaded with harmful chemicals and the harm was immediately transferred upon use and known to be transferred upon use. Firearms are different as they can be used in such a manner as to not result in harm by their use.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families can sue gun manufacturer Remington, lower court ruling overturned

    Quote Originally Posted by NotreDame View Post
    Firearms are not parallel to cigarettes. There was no safe use of cigarettes but there are safe uses for firearms. The misuse of firearms is the problem but not the firearm itself. Cigarettes are themselves the problem as they were loaded with harmful chemicals and the harm was immediately transferred upon use and known to be transferred upon use. Firearms are different as they can be used in such a manner as to not result in harm by their use.
    There are absolutely no safe uses for an AR15 with high capacity magazine clips and bumpstocks. The public needs thise as much as they need live nuclear ordnances in their garage.

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    Sandy Hook families can sue gun manufacturer Remington, lower court ruling overturned

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    There is absolutely no safe use for an AR15 with high capacity magazine clips and bumpstocks.
    You can dispense with the tangent of bump stocks and high capacity clips.

    Safe use of AR-15: target practice, shooting off some rounds at undomesticated animals in a field...

    Justifiable use: self-defense.

    They are not parallel to smokes.


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    Re: Sandy Hook families can sue gun manufacturer Remington, lower court ruling overturned

    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    Because manufacturer's should be liable for criminal misuse of their product(s).

    Drunk driving is car manufacturer's fault; knife killings are kitchenware manufacturer's fault...etc.

    Complete IDIOCY. Will not stand....
    Agree. It is as illogical to hold a gun maker responsible for the misuse of their product as it would be to sue a car manufacturer because a drunk driver killed someone with a car they produced.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families can sue gun manufacturer Remington, lower court ruling overturned

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Besides the issue already being discussed in another thread, it is not going to survive any finale challenge.
    Where, please? And why do you think that? This isn't a 2nd Amendment issue, really. It's about product safety and marketing.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families can sue gun manufacturer Remington, lower court ruling overturned

    Quote Originally Posted by NotreDame View Post
    Firearms are not parallel to cigarettes. There was no safe use of cigarettes but there are safe uses for firearms. The misuse of firearms is the problem but not the firearm itself. Cigarettes are themselves the problem as they were loaded with harmful chemicals and the harm was immediately transferred upon use and known to be transferred upon use. Firearms are different as they can be used in such a manner as to not result in harm by their use.
    There is a YUGE gap in your logic, which is directly germane to the litigation. To clarify, the complaint (as I understand it) was to the marketing of the product, which resulted in its deadly use. Let me provide a direct parallel that might clarify. Suppose Oldsmobile were to market a vehicle with spikes on the front, and on the hubcaps, and post ads with it driving down sidewalks impaling people, and creating carnage. Would that be appropriate? Might they be liable for encouraging the misuse of their otherwise lawful product? How about the manufacturer of a medication - oh, I don't know, an opioid - who encouraged users to overuse it and caused deaths consistent with their encouragement, might this be litigated?

    I think it is important when discussing a topic such as this to start with the facts and issues presented rather than jumping to ideological conclusions regardless of the circumstances.

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    Re: Sandy Hook families can sue gun manufacturer Remington, lower court ruling overturned

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    Where, please? And why do you think that? This isn't a 2nd Amendment issue, really. It's about product safety and marketing.
    What do you mean where? This is a violation of the federal Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. It is not going to survive challenge.
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    Re: Sandy Hook families can sue gun manufacturer Remington, lower court ruling overturned

    Quote Originally Posted by ajn678 View Post
    This is entirely unconstitutional, but I am sure you don't care.
    On what basis? I know, requiring analysis, but give it a shot.

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