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    Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Take polling with a grain of salt, but here is the outcome of the latest polling.

    2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination
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    Biden 28, Sanders 25, Harris 10, Warren 8, Booker 5, O'Rourke 6, Klobuchar 3, Hickenlooper 1, Castro 1, Gabbard 0, Gillibrand 0, Inslee 0 Biden +3
    Source: RealClearPolitics - 2020 - Latest Polls

    It seems there is a lot of support for progressive politicians. The question is though what happens to the moderate faction of the party should the minority progressive faction win the primaries?

    I think this gallup poll illustrates a polarizing effect which is happening particularly on the Right, and it is causing perhaps a moderating force on Democrats.

    54% of Democrats want their party to be more moderate; 41%, more liberal
    57% of Republicans want their party to be more conservative; 37%, more moderate
    Source: Democrats Favor More Moderate Party; GOP, More Conservative

    My two cents on the matter, it was clear in my caucuses in Washington State where I became a Congressional Delegate for Bernie in 2016 that all the energy was behind the progressive branch. I think this was clearly a symptom though of the kind of coastal bubbles which exist at the moment, and I have grown more doubtful of both the progressive agenda and their ability to deliver victory on the national scale.

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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueScotsman View Post
    Take polling with a grain of salt, but here is the outcome of the latest polling.

    2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination
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    Biden 28, Sanders 25, Harris 10, Warren 8, Booker 5, O'Rourke 6, Klobuchar 3, Hickenlooper 1, Castro 1, Gabbard 0, Gillibrand 0, Inslee 0 Biden +3
    Source: RealClearPolitics - 2020 - Latest Polls

    It seems there is a lot of support for progressive politicians. The question is though what happens to the moderate faction of the party should the minority progressive faction win the primaries?

    I think this gallup poll illustrates a polarizing effect which is happening particularly on the Right, and it is causing perhaps a moderating force on Democrats.

    54% of Democrats want their party to be more moderate; 41%, more liberal
    57% of Republicans want their party to be more conservative; 37%, more moderate
    Source: Democrats Favor More Moderate Party; GOP, More Conservative

    My two cents on the matter, it was clear in my caucuses in Washington State where I became a Congressional Delegate for Bernie in 2016 that all the energy was behind the progressive branch. I think this was clearly a symptom though of the kind of coastal bubbles which exist at the moment, and I have grown more doubtful of both the progressive agenda and their ability to deliver victory on the national scale.
    Although I would vote for him if Bernie was the official Democrat candidate, Sanders generally leans too far left for me. Just sayin'.


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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    My only position is that I will vote for whoever wins the Democratic Primary. Period.

    Well, it's not my only position, but it's the one that will ultimately have consequence.

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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Although I would vote for him if Bernie was the official Democrat candidate, Sanders generally leans too far left for me. Just sayin'.
    I thought Hillary was too toxic politically to tolerate winning the nomination. Too long a target of the Fox News apparatus. He is also I think a decent person, which is why I voted for him, believing he wouldn't get more than 10% of what he promised fulfilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    My only position is that I will vote for whoever wins the Democratic Primary. Period.

    Well, it's not my only position, but it's the one that will ultimately have consequence.
    Agreed, but whoever wins or loses could fracture the party. Many Bernie folks threw the election to Trump after how they lost the primary, Wikileaks really hurt Hillary with his base.

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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueScotsman View Post
    Agreed, but whoever wins or loses could fracture the party. Many Bernie folks threw the election to Trump after how they lost the primary, Wikileaks really hurt Hillary with his base.
    If, after four years of Trump, a Democratic Primary winner fractures the party, then we as a country no longer deserve to have a democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If, after four years of Trump, a Democratic Primary winner fractures the party, then we as a country no longer deserve to have a democracy.
    The Weimar Republic couldn't get its act together in the face of Fascism, the Social Democrats and Communists couldn't unite to save themselves. And I fear much of the center could flee into the arms of the Far-Right in order to save the status quo.

    We are also nearing the end of the long term debt cycle, just like the 1930s, with deflationary forces creating political monsters. Democracy is the most fragile of flowers, we should be vigilant to preserve it in this hour. Which is why I am being vary wary of the prospects of particular candidates. Winning is so important right now.

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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueScotsman View Post
    Agreed, but whoever wins or loses could fracture the party. Many Bernie folks threw the election to Trump after how they lost the primary, Wikileaks really hurt Hillary with his base.
    Seeing as how people saw the results of a fractured party (trump getting two conservative scotus through with another on the line) I doubt you will see the same fracturing as was in 2016. I don’t care who wins but I will vote for them against trump. And any other left leaning person will as well knowing what’s on the line.
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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueScotsman View Post
    The Weimar Republic couldn't get its act together in the face of Fascism, the Social Democrats and Communists couldn't unite to save themselves. And I fear much of the center could flee into the arms of the Far-Right in order to save the status quo.

    We are also nearing the end of the long term debt cycle, just like the 1930s, with deflationary forces creating political monsters. Democracy is the most fragile of flowers, we should be vigilant to preserve it in this hour. Which is why I am being vary wary of the prospects of particular candidates. Winning is so important right now.
    If winning is so important, then the predominant theme needs to be uniting behind whoever wins the Primary. This will be helped during the runup to the primary by arguing in favor of your preferred Democratic candidate rather than trashing the ones you don't like.

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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueScotsman View Post
    Take polling with a grain of salt, but here is the outcome of the latest polling.

    2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination
    Monmouth
    Biden 28, Sanders 25, Harris 10, Warren 8, Booker 5, O'Rourke 6, Klobuchar 3, Hickenlooper 1, Castro 1, Gabbard 0, Gillibrand 0, Inslee 0 Biden +3
    Source: RealClearPolitics - 2020 - Latest Polls

    It seems there is a lot of support for progressive politicians. The question is though what happens to the moderate faction of the party should the minority progressive faction win the primaries?

    I think this gallup poll illustrates a polarizing effect which is happening particularly on the Right, and it is causing perhaps a moderating force on Democrats.

    54% of Democrats want their party to be more moderate; 41%, more liberal
    57% of Republicans want their party to be more conservative; 37%, more moderate
    Source: Democrats Favor More Moderate Party; GOP, More Conservative

    My two cents on the matter, it was clear in my caucuses in Washington State where I became a Congressional Delegate for Bernie in 2016 that all the energy was behind the progressive branch. I think this was clearly a symptom though of the kind of coastal bubbles which exist at the moment, and I have grown more doubtful of both the progressive agenda and their ability to deliver victory on the national scale.
    Are there any non-progressive/socialist Dems running?
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