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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueScotsman View Post
    Take polling with a grain of salt, but here is the outcome of the latest polling.

    2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination
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    Biden 28, Sanders 25, Harris 10, Warren 8, Booker 5, O'Rourke 6, Klobuchar 3, Hickenlooper 1, Castro 1, Gabbard 0, Gillibrand 0, Inslee 0 Biden +3
    Source: RealClearPolitics - 2020 - Latest Polls

    It seems there is a lot of support for progressive politicians. The question is though what happens to the moderate faction of the party should the minority progressive faction win the primaries?

    I think this gallup poll illustrates a polarizing effect which is happening particularly on the Right, and it is causing perhaps a moderating force on Democrats.

    54% of Democrats want their party to be more moderate; 41%, more liberal
    57% of Republicans want their party to be more conservative; 37%, more moderate
    Source: Democrats Favor More Moderate Party; GOP, More Conservative

    My two cents on the matter, it was clear in my caucuses in Washington State where I became a Congressional Delegate for Bernie in 2016 that all the energy was behind the progressive branch. I think this was clearly a symptom though of the kind of coastal bubbles which exist at the moment, and I have grown more doubtful of both the progressive agenda and their ability to deliver victory on the national scale.
    The key here will be to keep the progressive base energy alive, while giving the moderate flyover state Dems and Indies reason to vote.

    It's for this reason I'd like to see Biden on the top of the ticket, swearing to only one term, pulling Kamala Harris along on the bottom of the ticket as his successor.

    Remember, the first rule of governance is to succeed in obtaining office.

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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Are there any non-progressive/socialist Dems running?
    Biden, O'Rourke (look at voting record), Klobuchar, Yang.

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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Are there any non-progressive/socialist Dems running?
    To my knowledge, there are no Democrats you can vote for who happen to hold exclusively Republican positions. It would appear that voting for a Republican is your sole alternative.

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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If, after four years of Trump, a Democratic Primary winner fractures the party, then we as a country no longer deserve to have a democracy.
    Hear! Hear!

    Will the "fractured" Dems be voting for party? Or voting for democracy and her institutions in our great experiment?
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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Hear! Hear!

    Will the "fractured" Dems be voting for party? Or voting for democracy and her institutions in our great experiment?
    If they're smart, they'll understand that those things are quite literally the same. If they vote for "ideological purity" like they did in 2016 then they'll end up having neither.

    But again, it's more useful to learn from the success of 2018 than rehashing 2016 for the eight-trillionth time.

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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If winning is so important, then the predominant theme needs to be uniting behind whoever wins the Primary. This will be helped during the runup to the primary by arguing in favor of your preferred Democratic candidate rather than trashing the ones you don't like.
    You know, I seem to be seeing this within the candidates, too. Let's hope it holds out!
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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    You know, I seem to be seeing this within the candidates, too. Let's hope it holds out!
    I hope it holds.

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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If winning is so important, then the predominant theme needs to be uniting behind whoever wins the Primary. This will be helped during the runup to the primary by arguing in favor of your preferred Democratic candidate rather than trashing the ones you don't like.
    I agree but I see the democratic party at a crossroads. We are coming near the end of the baby boomer generation and the millennials are exploding onto the scene. So the Ds need to decide, do they want to become a left progressive party and appeal to that new base? Or try to bring over center right and independents and continue to be more of a Third Way party? Its a risk either way really. But one thing we do know is appealing to right leaning voters isnt a guaranteed, as soon as a decent GOP candidate comes around they swing back. Trump will be gone eventually and the Ds need to figure out how to react to a new generation.

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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by pilot16 View Post
    I agree but I see the democratic party at a crossroads. We are coming near the end of the baby boomer generation and the millennials are exploding onto the scene. So the Ds need to decide, do they want to become a left progressive party and appeal to that new base? Or try to bring over center right and independents and continue to be more of a Third Way party? Its a risk either way really. But one thing we do know is appealing to right leaning voters isnt a guaranteed, as soon as a decent GOP candidate comes around they swing back. Trump will be gone eventually and the Ds need to figure out how to react to a new generation.
    The people as a whole want sincerity and energy. They want to be shown that they're not taken for granted. Democratic candidates gave them those things and took back the House as a result.

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    Re: Where is the Democratic Party Really At?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Hear! Hear!

    Will the "fractured" Dems be voting for party? Or voting for democracy and her institutions in our great experiment?
    The problem is the youth. They are naive (not in a negative way but an ideological one) and its hard for them to see differently due to their inexperience. Many millennials I know were super excited by Bernie in 2016 but stayed home because they saw Hillary as too far in the center. They were ideologically pure so to speak. I also saw it with Ralph Nader. Today I think there still could be some especially the environmentalists who see global warming as their number one concern. Most older people in the middle of the country see the economy and healthcare as their top concerns. Climate change doesnt even hit the top 10. That can effect their voting.

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