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Ilhan Omar: anti-Semitic trope?

Harshaw said:
Antisemitic canard - Wikipedia

See, generally, 1.13, 1.14, 1.17 . . .

Did you think there was no answer?
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Ok, now when did Omar say:

1. Jews control the media

2. Jews are not patriotic

3. Jews are more loyal to "world Jewry" (whatever that means)

Does she even use the words Jews? All Jewish people are not Israeli or even supporters of Israel.

I am very very critical of Israel but there is not a single anti-Semitic bone in my body. What bothers me about Israel is that they're in violation of international law with their occupation and settlement of occupied land. Any other country would be hit with sanctions. But Israel is protected by American's veto in the UN. And that has everything with politics. Does that make me anti-Semitic? Have I stumbled upon some trope?

I'll concede that her statement about "allegiance" to another country is a very poor choice of words.
 
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SonOfDaedalus said:
Ok, now when did Omar say:

1. Jews control the media

2. Jews are not patriotic

3. Jews are more loyal to "world Jewery" (whatever that means)

Does she even use the words Jews? All Jewish people are not Israeli or even supporters of Israel.

I am very very critical of Israel but there is not a single anti-Semitic bone in my body. What bothers me about Israel is that they're in violation of internation law with their occupation and settlement of occupied land. Any other country would be hit with sanctions. But Israel is protected by American's veto in the UN. And that has everything with politics.
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As I said, if you don't want to see it because you agree with her politically, you never will. I'm not going to worry about it.

Ilhan Omar's Dual-Loyalty Charge Was Anti-Semitic - The Atlantic
 
EMNofSeattle said:
What’s good for Israel is very good for America.

You don’t criticize Israel, you want them wiped off the map and the area occupied by Muslims who don’t belong there
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What an absolutely moronic post.

You're exactly the kind of person Rep. Omar was talking about.

Israel is a nation-state whose policies do NOT always serve the best interests of the U.S. Anyone who cannot (or will not) distinguish the government from the people (or the religion of a majority of the people)...is EXACTLY the sort of simple-minded ideologue that she was talking about. She wasn't necessarily referring to Jewish Americans in her remarks (after all, most Jews agree with her about the influence of AIPAC and the policies of Bibi Netanyahu). She was referring to people like you who promote that un-American, dual-loyalty point of view.
 
Harshaw said:
As I said, if you don't want to see it because you agree with her politically, you never will. I'm not going to worry about it.

Ilhan Omar's Dual-Loyalty Charge Was Anti-Semitic - The Atlantic
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“I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country,” -- Omar
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"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none" -- Thomas Jefferson
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Omar's comment is more like Jefferson and many citizens who believe we should avoid entangling alliances. She never said Jews have an allegiance to Israel. It seems more like because she's Muslim people are reading anti-Semitism into her words. If you replace Israel with Russia it's fine.

I think we need to be more careful about labeling people racist or anti-Semitic.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
“I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country,” -- Omar
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"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none" -- Thomas Jefferson
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Omar's comment is more like Jefferson and many citizens who believe we should avoid entangling alliances. She never said Jews have an allegiance to Israel. It seems more like because she's Muslim people are reading anti-Semitism into her words. If you replace Israel with Russia it's fine.

I think we need to be more careful about labeling people racist or anti-Semitic.
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Well, now you're hallucinating a similarity between what Omar said and what Jefferson said.
 
ultmd said:
What an absolutely moronic post.

You're exactly the kind of person Rep. Omar was talking about.

Israel is a nation-state whose policies do NOT always serve the best interests of the U.S. Anyone who cannot (or will not) distinguish the government from the people (or the religion of a majority of the people)...is EXACTLY the sort of simple-minded ideologue that she was talking about. She wasn't necessarily referring to Jewish Americans in her remarks (after all, most Jews agree with her about the influence of AIPAC and the policies of Bibi Netanyahu). She was referring to people like you who promote that un-American, dual-loyalty point of view.
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let's clarify this, most athiest Jews who are whites seeking a victim card to play, agree with her. amongst serious practicing members of the Jewish faith there is no agreement with Omar. The Jews who merely say they are, are not the people Israel was made for. Israel was made so Jews who fear persecution have somewhere safe to live. If America became hostile toward Catholics I could move to Mexico, or Brazil, or Chile, or Italy, or Poland or the Philipines, if muslims are persecuted in one country there's the entire middle east. Jews only have one country where their kind is the majority.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Because Palestinians have a right to exist just like the Israelis. Your argument is basically "Why should America exist if the world already has a bunch of white countries??" Stupid and bigoted as usual, EMN.



Yeah, that's absolutely not what she said. You can't deny the fact that pro-Israel (not pro-Jewish) groups lobby our politicians and that for various reasons including evangelical nuttery, Israel gets a special relationship status with the US nobody else really gets.
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They have a right to exist, just not in the Jewish state. The actual landmass Israel occupies is very small and in line with their traditional homeland.

And besides if you want to bring up America as an example, sure, why can't Israel do what we did?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
They have a right to exist, just not in the Jewish state. The actual landmass Israel occupies is very small and in line with their traditional homeland.

And besides if you want to bring up America as an example, sure, why can't Israel do what we did?
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So race 1 should evict everyone of race 2 from their homes, bulldoze them then take the land for themselves, all because they're of the wrong race. The imported Jew from Ukraine has more right to the land than the Arab whose family has been there for thousands of years.

It truly is a wonder why everyone calls you a flaming racist. These are nazi tactics.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So race 1 should evict everyone of race 2 from their homes, bulldoze them then take the land for themselves, all because they're of the wrong race.
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Yes. That has been the history of mankind, one group displacing and replacing another, time and time again, region after region. So it goes and stop your whining.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Yes. That has been the history of mankind, one group displacing and replacing another, time and time again, region after region. So it goes and stop your whining.
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What? You're saying races should attack and forcibly remove other races and that's acceptable because mankind has done it before? How long have you been a nazi sympathizer and when do you plan on ethnically cleansing the US?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So race 1 should evict everyone of race 2 from their homes, bulldoze them then take the land for themselves, all because they're of the wrong race. The imported Jew from Ukraine has more right to the land than the Arab whose family has been there for thousands of years.

It truly is a wonder why everyone calls you a flaming racist. These are nazi tactics.
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If the Arabs had not immediately invaded Israel less then a year after its creation there may well have been a fair brokered settlement, the Arabs chose war and they lost. Sucks to be them. Israel has logical and defensible borders now with no desire for expansion. The Arabs on the other hand want a Jew free Middle East. You are just an anti-Semite who supports the Arabs
 
EMNofSeattle said:
If the Arabs had not immediately invaded Israel less then a year after its creation there may well have been a fair brokered settlement, the Arabs chose war and they lost. Sucks to be them. Israel has logical and defensible borders now with no desire for expansion. The Arabs on the other hand want a Jew free Middle East. You are just an anti-Semite who supports the Arabs
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I don't believe someone's race entitles them to land more than someone of another race. You just admitted you think it's acceptable to ethnically cleanse land. These are nazi tactics and you are a nazi.
 
rocket88 said:
Anybody not blinded by their political religion knows that without the support of the alt-right, Trump would not be President. Trump knows it too. The alt-right certainly saw his comments that way

White Supremacists Love How Donald Trump Handled Charlottesville - GQ
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It doesn't matter what the alt-right chose to see in his comments. You saying that it does, only shows how desperate you've become in all of this.

You've also just called a large portion of the people in the US alt-right. Without any evidence to show for such a stance. Because I know more than enough independents that voted for him in 2016, as well as people who formerly voted democrat, like myself.
 
Cardinal said:
Jews are overwhelmingly Democrat for at least one good reason: we know full well that the Republican party is the home for White Supremacists and anti-semites. Republicans' anti-Omar media campaign isn't going to make us forget what we already know.
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Yes, too bad for you. The democratic party is just as much a home for anti-Semites and other groups of racist as well.

Both parties have their detractors. So continuing to try and sell this lie of yours is only going to affect you, not me.
 
Oborosen said:
Yes, too bad for you. The democratic party is just as much a home for anti-Semites and other groups of racist as well.

Both parties have their detractors. So continuing to try and sell this lie of yours is only going to affect you, not me.
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52% of Jews identify as Democrat while 16% as Republican. The Right Wing's little "we support Israel therefore we are the party for Jews" line is the most transparent facade in the universe. Republicans think that Jews are as stupid as they are.
 
Cardinal said:
52% of Jews identify as Democrat while 16% as Republican. The Right Wing's little "we support Israel therefore we are the party for Jews" line is the most transparent facade in the universe. Republicans think that Jews are as stupid as they are.
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So you're just saying that 16% of Jews in America are either stupid, or self-hating.

Yeah... still not buying the lie Cardinal.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I don't believe someone's race entitles them to land more than someone of another race. You just admitted you think it's acceptable to ethnically cleanse land. These are nazi tactics and you are a nazi.
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So you agree being Arab does not entitle Arabs to live in Israel, a non Arab Jewish state. I fully agree.

No, a Jewish state was not a policy position of the National Socialist German Worker’s Party
 
Cardinal said:
52% of Jews identify as Democrat while 16% as Republican. The Right Wing's little "we support Israel therefore we are the party for Jews" line is the most transparent facade in the universe. Republicans think that Jews are as stupid as they are.
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White people of privilege who wave the Jewish victim card are democrats. Orthodox Jews are overwhelmingly republican.

The reason these Jews (who are largely atheist) can support the democrats is because they will not be targeted by anti semites. Only practicing Jews are targeted by anti semites.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
So you agree being Arab does not entitle Arabs to live in Israel, a non Arab Jewish state. I fully agree.

No, a Jewish state was not a policy position of the National Socialist German Worker’s Party
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I'm not one of you "blood and soil" type nazis that wants to divide the world up by race, so no, that's not what I said.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I'm not one of you "blood and soil" type nazis that wants to divide the world up by race, so no, that's not what I said.
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I have never advocated for dividing the world up by race, this is you thinking you’re being clever but you’re really just being dumb
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I don't believe someone's race entitles them to land more than someone of another race. You just admitted you think it's acceptable to ethnically cleanse land. These are nazi tactics and you are a nazi.
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Those who throw around the word "race" - a damaging false concept which should have been dumped generations ago - are the dominant promoters of racism. Stop using this stupid word, the ultimate "Nazi tactic" was, like you, to insist that there is such a thing as a Jewish race.
 
Sweden said:
Those who throw around the word "race" - a damaging false concept which should have been dumped generations ago - are the dominant promoters of racism. Stop using this stupid word, the ultimate "Nazi tactic" was, like you, to insist that there is such a thing as a Jewish race.
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If there wasn't a racial element to being a Jew, Israel wouldn't offer free citizenship and relocation services to everyone in the world with a single Jewish grandparent. This conflict is 100% about race.

EMNofSeattle said:
I have never advocated for dividing the world up by race, this is you thinking you’re being clever but you’re really just being dumb
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Yes you have, you said Israel should be a pure Jewish state and that the people currently living in what you'd like to see as Israel should be evicted for not being Jewish. Pathetic nazism.
 
rocket88 said:
I think what she said -twice-wss at the very least extremely insensitive. Borderline antisemitic. I think she should resign, and I say this as a person who actually voted for her
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Elect a Somali and you get a Jew hater. Why is anyone in the least surprised?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If there wasn't a racial element to being a Jew, Israel wouldn't offer free citizenship and relocation services to everyone in the world with a single Jewish grandparent. This conflict is 100% about race
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Judaism is no more a race than Islam or Buddhism. One can convert to any religious sect they wish, it won't change their racial make up.
 
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