Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

poweRob · Mar 12, 2019

Bold move. Could cost him politically.

Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

Gov. Gavin Newsom is declaring a moratorium on California’s death penalty Wednesday and granting reprieves to 737 condemned prisoners on the nation’s largest Death Row, calling capital punishment discriminatory and immoral.

In the process, he is ordering an end to prison officials’ struggle for more than a decade to devise lethal injection procedures that will pass muster in federal courts. Newsom also ordered an immediate shutdown of the state’s execution chamber at San Quentin prison, where the last execution was carried out in 2006.

chuckiechan · Mar 12, 2019

poweRob said:
Bold move. Could cost him politically.

Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

Gov. Gavin Newsom is declaring a moratorium on California’s death penalty Wednesday and granting reprieves to 737 condemned prisoners on the nation’s largest Death Row, calling capital punishment discriminatory and immoral.

In the process, he is ordering an end to prison officials’ struggle for more than a decade to devise lethal injection procedures that will pass muster in federal courts. Newsom also ordered an immediate shutdown of the state’s execution chamber at San Quentin prison, where the last execution was carried out in 2006.

Especially since the voters vote to “Git ‘er done”.
Prop (62)Repeal was 46%
Not repeal was 52%
Another proposition (66) was to fix the appeal limit to five years
Pass at 51% to 49.

The biggest cause of death on death row is old age. Now they want them treated like regular lifers.

HumblePi · Mar 12, 2019

poweRob said:
Bold move. Could cost him politically.

Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

Gov. Gavin Newsom is declaring a moratorium on California’s death penalty Wednesday and granting reprieves to 737 condemned prisoners on the nation’s largest Death Row, calling capital punishment discriminatory and immoral.

In the process, he is ordering an end to prison officials’ struggle for more than a decade to devise lethal injection procedures that will pass muster in federal courts. Newsom also ordered an immediate shutdown of the state’s execution chamber at San Quentin prison, where the last execution was carried out in 2006.

Just a little trivia that may surprise some people. Gavin Newsom's first wife is none other than Donald Jr's. new squeeze, Kimberly Guilfoyle, formerly a Fox Network personality on The Five. Kimberly Guilfoyle was fired from The Five after passing around some lewd photos of male genitalia to her cast-mates. I'm not saying the private parts belonged to Don Jr. but they were dating at that time despite him still being married and living with his now former wife, Vanessa.

poweRob · Mar 12, 2019

chuckiechan said:
Especially since the voters vote to “Git ‘er done”.
Prop (62)Repeal was 46%
Not repeal was 52%
Another proposition (66) was to fix the appeal limit to five years
Pass at 51% to 49.

The biggest cause of death on death row is old age. Now they want them treated like regular lifers.

I don't think he's overturning the vote. Just halting executions for now. They can be restarted at any time. At least that's how I read it.

Chomsky · Mar 12, 2019

poweRob said:
Bold move. Could cost him politically.

Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

Gov. Gavin Newsom is declaring a moratorium on California’s death penalty Wednesday and granting reprieves to 737 condemned prisoners on the nation’s largest Death Row, calling capital punishment discriminatory and immoral.

In the process, he is ordering an end to prison officials’ struggle for more than a decade to devise lethal injection procedures that will pass muster in federal courts. Newsom also ordered an immediate shutdown of the state’s execution chamber at San Quentin prison, where the last execution was carried out in 2006.

What the hell took them so long? It never occurred to me a progressive state like Cali had clung to barbarianism.

jnug · Mar 12, 2019

Lets see if I can think like a Trumpet.

"Well now we know where all the Venezuelan MS-whatever murderers will be going [once we have thoroughly fregged up yet another country south of our border]."

Weak....I know.....best I can do.....I'm not a Trumpet.

ttwtt78640 · Mar 12, 2019

Chomsky said:
What the hell took them so long? It never occurred to me a progressive state like Cali had clung to barbarianism.

Hmm... because locking someone up in a cage until they die (LWOP) is not barbaric. Is it not also barbaric for other inmates to be placed among those who have absolutely nothing to lose if they commit further violent acts?

chuckiechan · Mar 12, 2019

poweRob said:
I don't think he's overturning the vote. Just halting executions for now. They can be restarted at any time. At least that's how I read it.

The last execution was 2006.

Inmates Executed, 1978 to Present

We are at the point where we have kill two two a day to get done in a year.

Chomsky · Mar 12, 2019

ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... because locking someone up in a cage until they die (LWOP) is not barbaric. Is it not also barbaric for other inmates to be placed among those who have absolutely nothing to lose if they commit further violent acts?

There's no easy solutions for those instances when one is deemed unfit to be free in civil society. But I find the death penalty particularly abhorrent for two primary reasons:

1] Mistakes cannot be rectified; One cannot be brought back from the dead.

2] I do not believe we have the right to play God, to no immediate physical threat.

Fletch · Mar 12, 2019

Chomsky said:
What the hell took them so long? It never occurred to me a progressive state like Cali had clung to barbarianism.

Some people have it coming. CP is a humane way to deal with barbarism. Here is a case that took place back when I was attending the University of Akron so it always held my attention.

Richard Cooey - Wikipedia

The act of 'barbarism' took place Sept 1, 1986. Justice was served October 14, 2008

TurtleDude · Mar 12, 2019

Chomsky said:
There's no easy solutions for those instances when one is deemed unfit to be free in civil society. But I find the death penalty particularly abhorrent for two primary reasons:

1] Mistakes cannot be rectified; One cannot be brought back from the dead.

2] I do not believe we have the right to play God, to no immediate physical threat.

Best take on the DP ever-from one time former US Attorney, now the Honorable Edmund Sargus, Jr, United States District Court for the Southern District of Ohio, Eastern Division (Columbus)

"some people deserve to fry, but I don't think the government should have the power to fry people"

Chomsky · Mar 12, 2019

TurtleDude said:
Best take on the DP ever-from one time former US Attorney, now the Honorable Edmund Sargus, Jr, United States District Court for the Southern District of Ohio, Eastern Division (Columbus)

"some people deserve to fry, but I don't think the government should have the power to fry people"

Well said. Very well said!

Barnacle · Mar 12, 2019

HumblePi said:
Just a little trivia that may surprise some people. Gavin Newsom's first wife is none other than Donald Jr's. new squeeze, Kimberly Guilfoyle, formerly a Fox Network personality on The Five. Kimberly Guilfoyle was fired from The Five after passing around some lewd photos of male genitalia to her cast-mates. I'm not saying the private parts belonged to Don Jr. but they were dating at that time despite him still being married and living with his now former wife, Vanessa.
...

Gavin Newsom was humping the wife of his former chief-of-staff while still married to Kimberly. **** happens.

I would like to see that photo that got passed around ... (grin).

TurtleDude · Mar 12, 2019

Chomsky said:
Well said. Very well said!

Great guy-one of the finest people I ever met working for the DOJ. Smart, personable, and never took himself too seriously. Great man.

Chomsky · Mar 12, 2019

TurtleDude said:
Great guy-one of the finest people I ever met working for the DOJ. Smart, personable, and never took himself too seriously. Great man.

I would think the bolded would be a great quality to have, behind the bench.

TurtleDude · Mar 12, 2019

Chomsky said:
I would think the bolded would be a great quality to have, behind the bench.

Humble man-his father was the counsel for the mine workers-a big union back in the day. In the Democratic Party primary, the contenders were Col. John Glenn and Howard Metzenbaum (who after losing the primary, beat the GOP Incumbent Taft in the post Watergate thrashing the GOP took in 76 when Carter won as well). Metzenbaum argued Glenn couldn't get union support and then Sargus Sr came out and said the UMWs were endorsing Glenn. That sewed it up for Glenn. I ran into Judge Sargus right after Clinton nominated him and I congratulated him on his nomination and he noted-well "Dad died before Senator Glenn could pay him back for his help so I lucked out". Lots of people I talked to think he was one of the three best US attorneys in that district in the last 50 years.

SoCal · Mar 13, 2019

Fletch said:
Some people have it coming. CP is a humane way to deal with barbarism...

The definition of humane is, 'having or showing compassion or benevolence'. So who's on the receiving end of all this compassion? Society?!? Since when do conservatives give a s__t about our society as a whole? I've got mine, screw you is branded onto every conservative baby's butt when they're born. Or is all this compassion intended for the family of the victims?

If killing someone it is an act of compassion, wouldn't torturing someone to death be even more so? How about allowing the victim's family members to inflict some of your humanity themselves?

CP is revenge and no less barbaric...

ttwtt78640 · Mar 13, 2019

Chomsky said:
There's no easy solutions for those instances when one is deemed unfit to be free in civil society. But I find the death penalty particularly abhorrent for two primary reasons:

1] Mistakes cannot be rectified; One cannot be brought back from the dead.

2] I do not believe we have the right to play God, to no immediate physical threat.

OK, yet the mission of a prison is far different for those who will not be returned to society (providing the minimum required for survival) and for those who will be (preparing them to lead more productive lives). Mixing the two populations, IMHO, is barbaric.

TurtleDude · Mar 13, 2019

SoCal said:
The definition of humane is, 'having or showing compassion or benevolence'. So who's on the receiving end of all this compassion? Society?!? Since when do conservatives give a s__t about our society as a whole? I've got mine, screw you is branded onto every new conservative baby's butt when they're born. Or is all this compassion intended for the family of the victims?

If killing someone it is an act of compassion, wouldn't torturing someone to death be even more so? How about allowing the victim's family members to inflict some of your humanity themselves?

CP is revenge and no less barbaric...

Partisan Hackery content-very high

useful commentary-very low

since when do left-wingers do anything but pretend to care while trying to get rich off of the wealth of others? See we both can make silly comments.

The fact is-there are people who honestly believe giving someone a life sentence-often in poor conditions is worse than killing them. Others believe that if you do say what Ted Bundy did, you cheapen the lives of the victims by not imposing a death penalty.

SonOfDaedalus · Mar 13, 2019

TurtleDude said:
"some people deserve to fry, but I don't think the government should have the power to fry people"

Especially when you consider that killing people is what the worst governments do. Imagine if there was no death penalty in Soviet Russia or in Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge.

If we begin to value life more and agree that there's no good reason to kill people then we put a limit on human evil.

TurtleDude · Mar 13, 2019

SonOfDaedalus said:
Especially when you consider that killing people is what the worst governments do. Imagine if there was no death penalty in Soviet Russia or in Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge.

If we begin to value life more and agree that there's no good reason to kill people then we put a limit on human evil.

The Russians will claim they didn't execute lots of those killed during the stalinist purge. They merely allowed those people to starve to death

It's a BS argument but I see it coming. It's like those odious holocaust deniers who try to soften the crimes of the Nazis by claiming that the Jews weren't gassed or shot-they died of typhus, cholera or other communicable diseases that are bound to occur when people are crammed together in unsanitary conditions with improper nutrition and medical services.

SoCal · Mar 13, 2019

TurtleDude said:
Partisan Hackery content-very high

useful commentary-very low

since when do left-wingers do anything but pretend to care while trying to get rich off of the wealth of others? See we both can make silly comments.

The fact is-there are people who honestly believe giving someone a life sentence-often in poor conditions is worse than killing them. Others believe that if you do say what Ted Bundy did, you cheapen the lives of the victims by not imposing a death penalty.

Well yes, CP is a very partisan issue, but I find your silly comment a little confusing.

Depending on how severe, I agree that a life sentence served in poor conditions could be worst than being put to death, we call that torture. But I thought we were talking about punishing criminals humanly. For the 1% of convicts who find prison life in humane conditions too unbearable, they'll find a way to take their own life. And I have no problem with that.

Other people believe that imposing the death penalty cheapens everyone's life...

TheParser · Mar 13, 2019

poweRob said:
Could cost him politically.

1. On the contrary. It reassures him reelection and a place of honor in the bleeding hearts' hall of fame.

2. It shows that he cares nothing for the families of murdered victims.

3. It is furthermore an empty gesture. For all intents and purposes, everyone knows that those 700+ individuals on Death Row will never be executed.

4. The governor realizes that the state is fast a-changing, and he wants to kiss up to the activists.

5. Expect more murders as bad actors realize that there is no longer even a remote possibility that they will be executed.

tres borrachos · Mar 13, 2019

Fletch said:
Some people have it coming. CP is a humane way to deal with barbarism. Here is a case that took place back when I was attending the University of Akron so it always held my attention.

Richard Cooey - Wikipedia

The act of 'barbarism' took place Sept 1, 1986. Justice was served October 14, 2008

If your point in this post was to call out Cooey as someone who deserved the death penalty I will say that I agree with you with every fiber of my being. That story still haunts me, 3 decades later.

That son of a bitch, with his sick friends, tossed that piece of sidewalk on to their car and then they pretended to be good Samaritans with those girls. Took them to a payphone to call the police, and if I remember right, Cooey even talked to Wendy's mom. Then they took them to a field where they tortured and raped those poor girls for hours before killing them both. Then Cooey went off bragging about what he did. And he had their personal belongings, which he stole, in his possession. He tried to get off by claiming he was obese or something. Holy hell.

There are instances when the DP is absolutely warranted, and that is one of them. I hope he is burning in Hell and I wish he had been put to death long before he was.

Grokmaster · Mar 13, 2019

poweRob said:
Bold move. Could cost him politically.

Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

Gov. Gavin Newsom is declaring a moratorium on California’s death penalty Wednesday and granting reprieves to 737 condemned prisoners on the nation’s largest Death Row, calling capital punishment discriminatory and immoral.

In the process, he is ordering an end to prison officials’ struggle for more than a decade to devise lethal injection procedures that will pass muster in federal courts. Newsom also ordered an immediate shutdown of the state’s execution chamber at San Quentin prison, where the last execution was carried out in 2006.

Great job of IGNORING the expressed will of the voters!! Bravo!

Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

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