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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    My father worked in the criminal justice system, and I grew up with inmates as a child. The death penalty is a poor way to do justice. We are finding with a number of death row inmates, after years with the best lawyers -- they never committed the crime in the first place. That becomes a problem, with inmates serving life sentences that has no top performing lawyers -- how many did not act out the crime in the first place. That says, there are people in prison that did not do the crime. If we are discovering death row inmates not doing the crime, how many others with a different sentence being locked up in prison without a high level lawyer.

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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Some raped and then murdered children, should they be executed?

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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hmm... because locking someone up in a cage until they die (LWOP) is not barbaric. Is it not also barbaric for other inmates to be placed among those who have absolutely nothing to lose if they commit further violent acts?
    If and when evidence comes to light showing someones innocence, it is hard to exonerate and release them from prison once they've been executed. There is strong evidence that the state has executed individuals that were likely innocent. Any system that can allow just one innocent person to be put to death should not exist.
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Comparing countries is apples to orannges. Sorry, but we have ample evidence of how progressive policies work without outsourcing it to completely different cultures, governments, and people.

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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Atheist 2020 View Post
    My father worked in the criminal justice system, and I grew up with inmates as a child. The death penalty is a poor way to do justice. We are finding with a number of death row inmates, after years with the best lawyers -- they never committed the crime in the first place. That becomes a problem, with inmates serving life sentences that has no top performing lawyers -- how many did not act out the crime in the first place. That says, there are people in prison that did not do the crime. If we are discovering death row inmates not doing the crime, how many others with a different sentence being locked up in prison without a high level lawyer.
    That's a matter for the justice department. For things like murder, which is why people are given the death sentence, that's a state issue. So obviously Newsom feels that his own state has some problems with how easy it is to find yourself on death row.

    I don't know all the ins and outs, but I do know that by the time the DP is carried out, there have been multiple appeals. As a governor, he could have just dealt with the convicts on a one--on-one basis, but he just emptied death row in a state that has a real problem with violent crime. Hell, if Manson was still alive, he'd be in the general population now.

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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilgewater View Post
    That's a matter for the justice department. For things like murder, which is why people are given the death sentence, that's a state issue. So obviously Newsom feels that his own state has some problems with how easy it is to find yourself on death row.

    I don't know all the ins and outs, but I do know that by the time the DP is carried out, there have been multiple appeals. As a governor, he could have just dealt with the convicts on a one--on-one basis, but he just emptied death row in a state that has a real problem with violent crime. Hell, if Manson was still alive, he'd be in the general population now.
    First off, Charles Manson died in prison. Second, it is the southern states that uses the death sentence the most, and it is the southern states with the highest level of murder. The death sentence, cost more in the long run to carry out. And, being in prison, it gives the person attention in the main stream media. It puts a name to the person, it gives empathy to the person, it makes the person as being the anti-hero. If he was just serving out a life sentence, he would be a nobody.

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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Atheist 2020 View Post
    First off, Charles Manson died in prison. Second, it is the southern states that uses the death sentence the most, and it is the southern states with the highest level of murder. The death sentence, cost more in the long run to carry out. And, being in prison, it gives the person attention in the main stream media. It puts a name to the person, it gives empathy to the person, it makes the person as being the anti-hero. If he was just serving out a life sentence, he would be a nobody.
    Yes, I realize that Manson died in prison, which is why I wrote "if Manson was still alive".

    If you look at the demographics, it's the democratic cities that have the most violent crime. Just because some are in red states doesn't mean you can conflate the two.

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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilgewater View Post
    Yes, I realize that Manson died in prison, which is why I wrote "if Manson was still alive".

    If you look at the demographics, it's the democratic cities that have the most violent crime. Just because some are in red states doesn't mean you can conflate the two.
    There is a passive New Zealand city with 49 dead people. Who would ever think of New Zealand with a violent underworld. Second, were is a Republican city with a population over one million people? With a massive amount of people living within a large city, you are going to see a high rate of crime. The question with red states, they do have a high rate of crime and violent crime. True, democratic supporters do not use shows about red states, they show heavy democratic cities to get more federal funding. So, they show the problems with Chicago.

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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

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