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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    Especially when you consider that killing people is what the worst governments do. Imagine if there was no death penalty in Soviet Russia or in Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge.

    If we begin to value life more and agree that there's no good reason to kill people then we put a limit on human evil.
    The Russians will claim they didn't execute lots of those killed during the stalinist purge. They merely allowed those people to starve to death

    It's a BS argument but I see it coming. It's like those odious holocaust deniers who try to soften the crimes of the Nazis by claiming that the Jews weren't gassed or shot-they died of typhus, cholera or other communicable diseases that are bound to occur when people are crammed together in unsanitary conditions with improper nutrition and medical services.
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Partisan Hackery content-very high

    useful commentary-very low

    since when do left-wingers do anything but pretend to care while trying to get rich off of the wealth of others? See we both can make silly comments.

    The fact is-there are people who honestly believe giving someone a life sentence-often in poor conditions is worse than killing them. Others believe that if you do say what Ted Bundy did, you cheapen the lives of the victims by not imposing a death penalty.
    Well yes, CP is a very partisan issue, but I find your silly comment a little confusing.

    Depending on how severe, I agree that a life sentence served in poor conditions could be worst than being put to death, we call that torture. But I thought we were talking about punishing criminals humanly. For the 1% of convicts who find prison life in humane conditions too unbearable, they'll find a way to take their own life. And I have no problem with that.

    Other people believe that imposing the death penalty cheapens everyone's life...
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Could cost him politically.

    1. On the contrary. It reassures him reelection and a place of honor in the bleeding hearts' hall of fame.

    2. It shows that he cares nothing for the families of murdered victims.

    3. It is furthermore an empty gesture. For all intents and purposes, everyone knows that those 700+ individuals on Death Row will never be executed.

    4. The governor realizes that the state is fast a-changing, and he wants to kiss up to the activists.

    5. Expect more murders as bad actors realize that there is no longer even a remote possibility that they will be executed.
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Some people have it coming. CP is a humane way to deal with barbarism. Here is a case that took place back when I was attending the University of Akron so it always held my attention.

    Richard Cooey - Wikipedia

    The act of 'barbarism' took place Sept 1, 1986. Justice was served October 14, 2008
    If your point in this post was to call out Cooey as someone who deserved the death penalty I will say that I agree with you with every fiber of my being. That story still haunts me, 3 decades later.

    That son of a bitch, with his sick friends, tossed that piece of sidewalk on to their car and then they pretended to be good Samaritans with those girls. Took them to a payphone to call the police, and if I remember right, Cooey even talked to Wendy's mom. Then they took them to a field where they tortured and raped those poor girls for hours before killing them both. Then Cooey went off bragging about what he did. And he had their personal belongings, which he stole, in his possession. He tried to get off by claiming he was obese or something. Holy hell.

    There are instances when the DP is absolutely warranted, and that is one of them. I hope he is burning in Hell and I wish he had been put to death long before he was.
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Bold move. Could cost him politically.

    Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Gov. Gavin Newsom is declaring a moratorium on California’s death penalty Wednesday and granting reprieves to 737 condemned prisoners on the nation’s largest Death Row, calling capital punishment discriminatory and immoral.

    In the process, he is ordering an end to prison officials’ struggle for more than a decade to devise lethal injection procedures that will pass muster in federal courts. Newsom also ordered an immediate shutdown of the state’s execution chamber at San Quentin prison, where the last execution was carried out in 2006.
    Great job of IGNORING the expressed will of the voters!! Bravo!
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    1. On the contrary. It reassures him reelection and a place of honor in the bleeding hearts' hall of fame.

    2. It shows that he cares nothing for the families of murdered victims.

    3. It is furthermore an empty gesture. For all intents and purposes, everyone knows that those 700+ individuals on Death Row will never be executed.

    4. The governor realizes that the state is fast a-changing, and he wants to kiss up to the activists.

    5. Expect more murders as bad actors realize that there is no longer even a remote possibility that they will be executed.

    1. The voters voted against banning death penalty so... wrong
    2. No it doesn't
    3. Wrong again
    4 & 5 is just you being emotional instead of rational.
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    OK, yet the mission of a prison is far different for those who will not be returned to society (providing the minimum required for survival) and for those who will be (preparing them to lead more productive lives). Mixing the two populations, IMHO, is barbaric.
    Hey, I can see the point. So you're saying you acknowledge some may not be fit to return to society, but you'd like them segregated? Considering the carrying-out of sentencing is relatively fluid and changes over time, I'm not sure that's possible. And then putting them all together, would seem even worse for them. What would you do? Put them all in solitary confinement for their own protection.

    But I really don't want to go down this rabbit hole, because my post was speaking specifically to state killing, and nothing more.
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Hey, I can see the point. 1) So you're saying you acknowledge some may not be fit to return to society, but you'd like them segregated? 2) Considering the carrying-out of sentencing is relatively fluid and changes over time, I'm not sure that's possible. 3) And then putting them all together, would seem even worse for them. What would you do? Put them all in solitary confinement for their own protection.

    But I really don't want to go down this rabbit hole, because my post was speaking specifically to state killing, and nothing more.
    1) Yes.

    2) If the sentence changes then so does where it would be served.

    3) Those that are never going to be released deserve like company and those that are going to be released deserve as much protection (separation?) from those never to be released as the rest of society does. I would not put them in solitary confinement (except upon request) as that, IMHO, is more barbaric than execution.
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Bold move. Could cost him politically.
    Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Gov. Gavin Newsom is declaring a moratorium on California’s death penalty Wednesday and granting reprieves to 737 condemned prisoners on the nation’s largest Death Row, calling capital punishment discriminatory and immoral.

    In the process, he is ordering an end to prison officials’ struggle for more than a decade to devise lethal injection procedures that will pass muster in federal courts. Newsom also ordered an immediate shutdown of the state’s execution chamber at San Quentin prison, where the last execution was carried out in 2006.
    Why order a shutdown of a chamber that hasn't operated for 13 years?

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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    There's no easy solutions for those instances when one is deemed unfit to be free in civil society. But I find the death penalty particularly abhorrent for two primary reasons:

    1] Mistakes cannot be rectified; One cannot be brought back from the dead.

    2] I do not believe we have the right to play God, to no immediate physical threat.
    Well how about that! We finally agree on something!

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