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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    There's no easy solutions for those instances when one is deemed unfit to be free in civil society. But I find the death penalty particularly abhorrent for two primary reasons:

    1] Mistakes cannot be rectified; One cannot be brought back from the dead.

    2] I do not believe we have the right to play God, to no immediate physical threat.
    Best take on the DP ever-from one time former US Attorney, now the Honorable Edmund Sargus, Jr, United States District Court for the Southern District of Ohio, Eastern Division (Columbus)

    "some people deserve to fry, but I don't think the government should have the power to fry people"
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Best take on the DP ever-from one time former US Attorney, now the Honorable Edmund Sargus, Jr, United States District Court for the Southern District of Ohio, Eastern Division (Columbus)

    "some people deserve to fry, but I don't think the government should have the power to fry people"
    Well said. Very well said!
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    Just a little trivia that may surprise some people. Gavin Newsom's first wife is none other than Donald Jr's. new squeeze, Kimberly Guilfoyle, formerly a Fox Network personality on The Five. Kimberly Guilfoyle was fired from The Five after passing around some lewd photos of male genitalia to her cast-mates. I'm not saying the private parts belonged to Don Jr. but they were dating at that time despite him still being married and living with his now former wife, Vanessa.
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    Gavin Newsom was humping the wife of his former chief-of-staff while still married to Kimberly. **** happens.

    I would like to see that photo that got passed around ... (grin).
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Well said. Very well said!
    Great guy-one of the finest people I ever met working for the DOJ. Smart, personable, and never took himself too seriously. Great man.
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

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    Great guy-one of the finest people I ever met working for the DOJ. Smart, personable, and never took himself too seriously. Great man.
    I would think the bolded would be a great quality to have, behind the bench.
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I would think the bolded would be a great quality to have, behind the bench.
    Humble man-his father was the counsel for the mine workers-a big union back in the day. In the Democratic Party primary, the contenders were Col. John Glenn and Howard Metzenbaum (who after losing the primary, beat the GOP Incumbent Taft in the post Watergate thrashing the GOP took in 76 when Carter won as well). Metzenbaum argued Glenn couldn't get union support and then Sargus Sr came out and said the UMWs were endorsing Glenn. That sewed it up for Glenn. I ran into Judge Sargus right after Clinton nominated him and I congratulated him on his nomination and he noted-well "Dad died before Senator Glenn could pay him back for his help so I lucked out". Lots of people I talked to think he was one of the three best US attorneys in that district in the last 50 years.
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Some people have it coming. CP is a humane way to deal with barbarism...
    The definition of humane is, 'having or showing compassion or benevolence'. So who's on the receiving end of all this compassion? Society?!? Since when do conservatives give a s__t about our society as a whole? I've got mine, screw you is branded onto every conservative baby's butt when they're born. Or is all this compassion intended for the family of the victims?

    If killing someone it is an act of compassion, wouldn't torturing someone to death be even more so? How about allowing the victim's family members to inflict some of your humanity themselves?

    CP is revenge and no less barbaric...
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    There's no easy solutions for those instances when one is deemed unfit to be free in civil society. But I find the death penalty particularly abhorrent for two primary reasons:

    1] Mistakes cannot be rectified; One cannot be brought back from the dead.

    2] I do not believe we have the right to play God, to no immediate physical threat.
    OK, yet the mission of a prison is far different for those who will not be returned to society (providing the minimum required for survival) and for those who will be (preparing them to lead more productive lives). Mixing the two populations, IMHO, is barbaric.
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCal View Post
    The definition of humane is, 'having or showing compassion or benevolence'. So who's on the receiving end of all this compassion? Society?!? Since when do conservatives give a s__t about our society as a whole? I've got mine, screw you is branded onto every new conservative baby's butt when they're born. Or is all this compassion intended for the family of the victims?

    If killing someone it is an act of compassion, wouldn't torturing someone to death be even more so? How about allowing the victim's family members to inflict some of your humanity themselves?

    CP is revenge and no less barbaric...
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    since when do left-wingers do anything but pretend to care while trying to get rich off of the wealth of others? See we both can make silly comments.

    The fact is-there are people who honestly believe giving someone a life sentence-often in poor conditions is worse than killing them. Others believe that if you do say what Ted Bundy did, you cheapen the lives of the victims by not imposing a death penalty.
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    Re: Gov. Newsom orders halt to California’s death penalty

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    "some people deserve to fry, but I don't think the government should have the power to fry people"
    Especially when you consider that killing people is what the worst governments do. Imagine if there was no death penalty in Soviet Russia or in Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge.

    If we begin to value life more and agree that there's no good reason to kill people then we put a limit on human evil.

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