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    Re: $840 Billion Medicare Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen View Post
    Death Panels. Die, while you wait...

    Someone has to pay, why not grandma?
    Funny you would go there....

    I remember distinctly back when Sarah Palin was screaming about death panels telling people that if a Republican had come up with the plan, they wouldn't be complaining, and quite possibly would actually be calling it a good thing.

    Guess I finally get proven correct.

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    Re: $840 Billion Medicare Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Because its going to mean that poor folks who paid for medicare their whole working lives.. will now have to get pre authorization.. which means that treatment that's needed will get delayed or not receive it because of the extra paperwork and hurdles...
    So that wealthy people.. like yourself could have a tax cut.. And since you are rich... you likely won't have to worry about the medicare hurdles because you can either pay privately or use your secondary..
    The reason that Trump is doing this.. is solely to mitigate the large increases in deficit spending he is asking for and the increase in the deficit from the tax cuts.

    I didn't know that there is no pre-authorization under Medicare. We have BC/BS under Obamacare and every single surgery (doctor's office, out-patient procedure, hospital stay) has to be pre-authorized by BC/BS.
    Why should Medicare - and Medicaid, for that matter - be exempt from pre-authorization when most of us have to get approval first?
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    Re: $840 Billion Medicare Cut

    Six times Trump promised not to cut Medicare.



    Save Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security without cuts. Have to do it. Get rid of the fraud. Get rid of the waste and abuse, but save it.
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    Re: $840 Billion Medicare Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I give up. Was it all the years the Republicans were in charge?
    I believe that 1997 was the last time that (all) federal spending bills were signed before the start of the fiscal year.
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    Re: $840 Billion Medicare Cut

    Medicare and Social Security are paid from payroll taxes and are marginally self-funding. My question is Trump merely reporting projected incomes for those programs?
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    Re: $840 Billion Medicare Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnacle View Post
    I didn't know that there is no pre-authorization under Medicare. We have BC/BS under Obamacare and every single surgery (doctor's office, out-patient procedure, hospital stay) has to be pre-authorized by BC/BS.
    Why should Medicare - and Medicaid, for that matter - be exempt from pre-authorization when most of us have to get approval first?
    There is pre-authorization under Medicare, the proposed changes would expand what is required to be pre-authorized...

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    Re: $840 Billion Medicare Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    How is this stealing from the poor to give to the rich?

    "Trump wants to “reduce wasteful spending” on Medicare by expanding the list of treatments that require prior authorization before the procedure can be done and putting medical providers on notice who charge more than others. The administration argues these cost savings will help ensure Medicare can last for many years to come, but some argue it will result in people who need treatment having it delayed or not receiving it because of extra paperwork and hurdles."

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    Death panels!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: $840 Billion Medicare Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    So, they aren't even pretending anymore.
    ... Stealing from the poor to give to the rich--ladies and gents, your GOP.

    This is the same baloney crying Schumer gave us 1 1/2 years ago.

    Politifact couldn't bring themselves to call Schumer an outright whack, so they just called his BS half-true. (grin)

    The numbers for the present budget have not been disclosed (leaked) yet, however, I believe Schiff's $840-billion-cut number is based on the same "calculation" that Schumer did 1 1/2 years ago:


    "... The Medicare and Medicaid cuts Schumer cited come from relatively hard-to-find numbers released by the Senate Budget Committee, which wrote the proposal.

    To determine the size of the cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, Schumer’s office compared the most recent "baseline" spending amounts produced by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, and the amounts proposed by the Senate budget document.

    For Medicare, Schumer’s office calculated that projected spending on the program would be in excess of $8.5 trillion over the next 10 years, if no changes are made from the status quo. The GOP budget, by contrast, projects Medicare spending over the same period to be $8.1 trillion.

    The difference between the estimate and the GOP budget plan: almost $473 billion, or 5.5 percent of the CBO baseline.

    ... the Senate Budget Committee ... argued that this is not a "cut" because Medicare spending will still rise over the next 10 years -- by about 82 percent over 10 years, instead of 99 percent growth over 10 years under the status quo.

    ...The committee said this slowdown is justified because CBO says that Medicare’s Hospital Insurance Trust Fund -- which covers beneficiaries’ stays at hospitals and other facilities -- will run out by 2025. Making smaller cuts all along would prolong the life of the trust fund and prevent bigger cuts later on. ..."




    Are Republicans paying for tax cuts with reductions in Medicare, Medicaid? | PolitiFact


    Same BS, different messenger.
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    Re: $840 Billion Medicare Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueTex View Post
    There is pre-authorization under Medicare, the proposed changes would expand what is required to be pre-authorized...

    Okay, I don't see a problem with that.
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    Re: $840 Billion Medicare Cut

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    seems safe to speculate that if the house hadn't flipped, these programs would have been significantly more at risk.
    I don't think so. Medicare and Social Security are generally considered off-budget items, along with debt service and a couple of other things. They're financed by payroll taxes.
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