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Tucker Carlson

Lol, he clearly stated Jeffs was no accessory to the marriages. Either he is a moron and doesn't understand what accessory means, or he is a liar. Which is it?

Has anyone here asked him to explain himself or is everyone going to go with the worst out of context twisted assumptions without debate?
 
Racists can accuse Tucker of being racist but that is just the bias talking and not the facts.

Do you agree with Tucker?

1. White men built civilization

2. Diversity is not a strength
 
Has anyone here asked him to explain himself or is everyone going to go with the worst out of context twisted assumptions without debate?

The recordings were not "out of context."
 
Do you agree with Tucker?

1. White men built civilization

2. Diversity is not a strength

No. I have no idea what the context of his remarks was but white men did not build civilization, humans did and with the help of the devil or with the Lord's help.
 
The recordings were not "out of context."

Maybe not, but those commenting here on his statements are certainly providing no context, making it impossible to rightly judge what he said.
 
You're telling me that there is no debate on his show due to want of effort on the left? :lamo Sure.. :roll: ...

We aren't in the basement.

appeal to authority noted.

I am telling you what I stated: he has offered to debate his media critics, and to date no one has accepted. As you haven't provided a thimble of evidence to the contrary, none have the spine ask to appear, period.

By the way, 'the basement' was not an allusion to the forum basement, its an allusion to the dark mental bunker where you have fits of "lamo" and uncontrolled "eyerolls" as your primary form of counter-argument.

Nor am I appealing to authority (although the law is a greater authority on the law than your delusions), I'm appealing to a legal reality, that Tucker is not atrocious or outrageous in his view of Jeffs legal situation in the original case - unless that Utah Supreme Court and County District Attorney are also just as atrocious or outrageous.

During the 2009 comments from Tucker Carlson, Jeffs had been indicted for child rape. And I don't agree with Tucker's previous legal analysis from 2006 for two primary reasons:

1. The girls objected to the marriage and told Jeffs they did not consent.
2. Jeffs was the leader of the cult and exercised supreme authority of the goings ons within the compound.

Pretty much the same arguments as the prosecution.

Fine, you don't have to agree. But just because you don't agree with Carlson, the Utah Supreme Court, or the County Prosecutors final determination that they misused the law, your disagreement doesn't support ANY of your crazy accusations regarding Tucker's character.

And Tucker was correct August 27, 2009 when he said:

“He’s in prison because he’s weird and unpopular and he has a different lifestyle that other people find creepy. He's like got some weird religious cult where he thinks it's OK to, you know, marry underaged girls, but he didn't do it (rape the bride). Why wouldn't the guy who actually did it, who had sex with an underaged girl, he should be the one who's doing life?”

AT THAT TIME that was the reason he was serving a prison sentence, not because he got charged in 2008 for an alleged rape and had yet to come to trial.

Calling Iraqi's primitive monkeys and telling women to be quiet is bigotry and misogyny. Sorry your having a tough time with that.
I'm not, but I am finding it pointless to destroy your major complaint only to see you keep flinging mud hoping that something else sticks. And so you provided us a another canard:

In 2008 Carlson and Bubba the Love Sponge were riffing in a tongue and cheek exchange on Canada, deciding which of them like Canada and if it should be invaded - a country that Tucker has joked about before.

BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE: ...I love Canada. They're great people up there. Tucker feels that you guys are a bunch of assholes.
TUCKER CARLSON: I totally disagree (about not liking Canada). If I didn't like Canada, I wouldn’t consider it worth invading. I mean, Iraq is a crappy place filled with a bunch of, you know, semiliterate primitive monkeys -- that’s why it wasn't worth invading.
THE LOVE SPONGE: Keep burying yourself.
CARLSON: But Canada's a solid place with good-looking women and good fishing. We should invade.
THE LOVE SPONGE: You will never get a speaking engagement in Canada, I promise. If whomever's going to hire you, they need to call me first and do a little bit of due diligence because --

Now really Winston, do you honestly think this was a serious military policy discussion OR obvious mocking of countries as subjects of insult entertainment? And even so, in the riff about invading other countries, how is it that Iraq in 2008 wasn't exactly as most people perceived - a benighted bunch of knuckle dragging primitives who are incapable of doing anything more than killing one another in the name of "Allah" ? (a view later underscored when the hand built "democracy" began falling apart once more under a Shia sectarian Prime Minister and a resurgent ISIS encircling Northern Iraq.)

Nothing said in the exchange was not said or at least thought by most Americans, be it joking or serious.

[/quote]No, you have acted an apologist for Tucker because your hyper partisan viewpoint disallows you from seeing wrongdoing on behalf of one of your beloved mouthpieces. Carlson is running scared from debate because he knows he would go down hard and fast.[/QUOTE]

LOL...actually its the blessing of my sense of humor, disrespect for weasel talk, and my love of plain speaking that "disallows" me from inventing reasons to be offended in order to DE platform of unpopular views.

And in case you slept through civics, tolerance to hearing other viewpoints is what this country is supposed to be about.
 
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Do you? If not, how about zero?

Moreover, unless you think those that disagree with him are mute, they are more than capable of accepting his challenge under the pre-condition that it will be aired (or aired live).

Any other excuses for the left's fear of taking him up on his offer to debate it?

Do I what?

And it appears you are denying the truth, that he holds shows from airing where he gets owned. This happened again just two weeks ago.
 
Do you agree with Tucker?

1. White men built civilization
That certainly seems true of Western Civilization. But of civilization itself, no.

2. Diversity is not a strength

The socialist countries you guys always hold out as the ideal are not diverse in any way. So diversity must not be a strength by your own standards.
 
And in case you slept through civics, tolerance to hearing other viewpoints is what this country is supposed to be about.
Willingness to listen to others opinions is appropriate. So is arguing against those opinions/beliefs that run contrary to your own.
 
Do I what?

And it appears you are denying the truth, that he holds shows from airing where he gets owned. This happened again just two weeks ago.

So you say, but so far you have provided no evidence of a single instance, let alone provided evidence that this is a customary practice, nor provided evidence that anyone has had the balls to take him up on his offer under the precondition of guaranteed broadcast.

Try again.
 
So you say, but so far you have provided no evidence of a single instance, let alone provided evidence that this is a customary practice, nor provided evidence that anyone has had the balls to take him up on his offer under the precondition of guaranteed broadcast.

Try again.

Keep your head in the ground, I don't care.

I have seen a couple that were leaked. He (Tucker) gets all girl when owned and stops the recording telling the guest to leave and that they won't get aired. The guys is very emotional. I honestly think he is a closet gay.
 
I am telling you what I stated: he has offered to debate his media critics, and to date no one has accepted. As you haven't provided a thimble of evidence to the contrary, none have the spine ask to appear, period.

Oh great, the Tucker apology tour still in effect. Sam Seder and Cenk Uygur both discussed Tucker's latest controversy on their shows. In it they present strong arguments, not that he should be taken off the air, but, rather that his comments are stupid and wrong. To be clear I'm not arguing that Tucker needs to be deplatformed, I'm not one of those guys, but, Tucker's comments were stupid, bigoted, and wrong. There is nothing wrong with admitting and pointing out as much, in fact accuracy demands it.

By the way, 'the basement' was not an allusion to the forum basement, its an allusion to the dark mental bunker where you have fits of "lamo" and uncontrolled "eyerolls" as your primary form of counter-argument.

Sure, you did.

...atrocious or outrageous.

Yes, you are. Yes, Tucker was. How many other courts heard the case before one court ruled for Jeffs? Jeffs, today is a convicted child rapist and he has been accused accused of child rape going back to 2004. The original witness to accuse Jeffs of child rape, killed himself rather than face the wrath of the cult. But, Tucker won't even touch the Jeffs subject. To be fair I think Tucker's silence is out of stubbornness and not actual pro-child rape tendencies. But, Tucker's weird defense of Warren Jeffs remains atrocious and immoral.

Utah Supreme Court, or the County Prosecutors final determination that they misused the law, your disagreement doesn't support ANY of your crazy accusations regarding Tucker's character.

Jeffs is not innocent of child rape, if he was, Tucker would have an argument less open to scorn. Tucker's minimization of Jeffs role as just a "weird guy" has been rendered wholly inaccurate. Jeffs knew the girl he was marrying was going to be raped by her husband, anyone who defends a child rapist has extremely questionable moral underpinnings.

AT THAT TIME that was the reason he was serving a prison sentence, not because he got charged in 2008 for an alleged rape and had yet to come to trial.

He was in prison because he was a child rapist, not because he was singled out for eccentricity. The accusations of child rape go back to 2004, so zeroing in on only what prosecutors could charge does not impress me much.


In 2008 Carlson and Bubba the Love Sponge were riffing in a tongue and cheek exchange on Canada, deciding which of them like Canada and if it should be invaded - a country that Tucker has joked about before.



Now really Winston, do you honestly think this was a serious military policy discussion OR obvious mocking of countries as subjects of insult entertainment? And even so, in the riff about invading other countries,

Decidedly not having a serious policy discussion. That doesn't diminish what Tucker said as a reflection of his true views on the world. The same guy who said immigrants make our country dirty is the same Tucker who said Iraqi's are primitive monkeys.

how is it that Iraq in 2008 wasn't exactly as most people perceived - a benighted bunch of knuckle dragging primitives who are incapable of doing anything more than killing one another in the name of "Allah" ? (a view later underscored when the hand built "democracy" began falling apart once more under a Shia sectarian Prime Minister and a resurgent ISIS encircling Northern Iraq.)

Really? You admire the whole smug imperialist schtick? So, let me get this straight. The primitive ones in this situation are the victims of an ignorant country (America) invading their homeland and massacring their citizens. One side in this equation looks a lot more primitive than the other one.

Nothing said in the exchange was not said or at least thought by most Americans, be it joking or serious.

Tucker apologism at its finest, we're all just as racist as he is, so it's not a big deal what he said.

LOL...actually its the blessing of my sense of humor, disrespect for weasel talk, and my love of plain speaking that "disallows" me from inventing reasons to be offended in order to DE platform of unpopular views.

And in case you slept through civics, tolerance to hearing other viewpoints is what this country is supposed to be about.

as I said I don't think Tucker should be taken off air. I have serious problems with the pretend victim routine he did. Media matters doesn't owe Tucker any apology and Tucker doesn't owe them one. All he need do is explain his comments like so, in a brief summary of what he was joking on and what he was half right about. And all reasonable minded lefties would leave him alone.
 
That certainly seems true of Western Civilization. But of civilization itself, no.



The socialist countries you guys always hold out as the ideal are not diverse in any way. So diversity must not be a strength by your own standards.

Is it a good idea to marry your sister? No, because a diverse combination of genes is healthier. In nature and in almost everything you can imagine diversity is better.

One absurd argument I heard from Tucker was that it's easier to get along with people who are more similar to you. Maybe, but how do you explain the bloodbaths of WWI and WWII and all the other European wars.

Whether you or I like it or not, over time all our genes will get mixed together. There is no point in worrying about preserving your "race." And this mixing is for the better.
 
Tucker Carlson could’ve meant that we should wait and see if he’s guilty, like the justice system is supposed to do. Now we know he is convicted.

Is he guilty of the comments he made? Yeah, they are all there to see.
 
He made some off color remarks regarding women. Everyone already knew he was a misogynist.

"everyone" tends to believe that because "everyone":

It's practically min. job requirements at Fox.

likes to apply two-dimensional stereotypes that allow them to tell themselves they are morally superior to those they disagree with, who are, conveniently, moral ingrates.



Making off-color, crude remarks is not, in and of itself, misogynist, racist, misandrist, or any other Ist. I swear, the modern-day puritans are worse than the old breed.



He also defended Warren Jeffs on the topic of marrying off girls against their will to be raped.

From what I see looking through it, he suggested that Jeffs might be a child rapist, but said that arranging a legal marriage between someone 16 and someone 27 was not the same act as violent rape itself:

Carlson on Sept. 6 said:
: “He’s not accused of touching anybody; he is accused of facilitating a marriage between a 16-year-old girl and a 27-year-old man. That’s the accusation. That’s what they’re calling felony rape. [cross-talk] That’s bulls---. I’m sorry. Now this guy may be [cross-talk], may be a child rapist. I’m just telling you that arranging a marriage between a 16-year-old and a 27-year-old is not the same as pulling a stranger off the street and raping her.”

Which is correct. All that is loathsome is not violent rape.

Carlson on Aug 7 2009 said:
“He's like got some weird religious cult where he thinks it's OK to, you know, marry underaged girls, but he didn't do it. Why wouldn't the guy who actually did it, who had sex with an underaged girl, he should be the one who's doing life.

The Utah Supreme Court later dropped the charges against him, though, years after Carlson's comments, Texas put him away for actual child-molestation, which, per Tucker above, means he should be doing life.

So, Tucker was correct. I rate this as indeed shock-jocky, and would put it, oh, right up there just below Hillary Clinton laughing about how, as a lawyer, she helped a child-rapist escape justice.


If I was you, I would just watch the clip and see what you think, because it's definitely a bit of a Trump style Rohrschach test for those politically engaged.

I'm not much a fan of Tucker and I loathe that Trump (who is a sexual offender) is anywhere close to power. But I'm not going to turn in my brain in order to always come to politically convenient conclusions. If I did that, I would never have been a NeverTrumper in the first place.
 
I'm going to disagree with you on that point. There is nothing wrong with criticism, however organizing in an effort to influence his advertisers is not good for society as it inevitably will lead to more polarization and eventual retaliation. The end result will likely be political pundits of both sides not being able to make any money as advertisers refusing to place ads on anything remotely political.
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Somehow, I don't seem to recall any of the same concerns about "polarization and eventual retaliation" when the FoxNews crowd was destroying one of their own (The Dixie Chicks) who dared to speak out against the Iraq War at that time. Neither do I recall any concerns when the Tea People began organizing, protesting and intimidating their political opposition in 2010.

What you're suggesting is ridiculous. It's what we ALWAYS see from conservatives when THEIR proverbial ox is being gored.
 
I see you aren't that familiar with Media Matters or how they operate.
Clearly, you "see" only what your ideology allows you to see, huh? I'm familiar with Media Matters. And I'm familiar with the fact that they rarely make mistakes. This case is no exception.

And I can also see why MM would be really pissed at Carlson to begin with because the Daily Caller exposed MM's violation of their non-political 501-C3 tax exempt status when they were in bed with the Obama Administration.
Nonsense. This is the kind of fake-news stuff that you people are being fed, dailiy, by your media. There is ZERO chance of MM losing its 501(c)(3) status, because there were no violations. Facts are stubborn things...things that are rarely, if every, challenged by fake news blogs like Daily Caller.


If you were honest you'd admit you read, listened to, believed, and were offended by what MM posted because of who it was attacking ... not because of anything inherently offensive.
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Hardly. Now, if YOU were honest, you'd admit you have no business attempting to debate this issue with me.
 
Clearly, you "see" only what your ideology allows you to see, huh? I'm familiar with Media Matters. And I'm familiar with the fact that they rarely make mistakes. This case is no exception.


Nonsense. This is the kind of fake-news stuff that you people are being fed, dailiy, by your media. There is ZERO chance of MM losing its 501(c)(3) status, because there were no violations. Facts are stubborn things...things that are rarely, if every, challenged by fake news blogs like Daily Caller.



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Hardly. Now, if YOU were honest, you'd admit you have no business attempting to debate this issue with me.

"have no business attempting to debate this issue with me"?
Why not? Who are you?
 
  • The truth is that no one's asked him if he does or doesn't. They won't allow him this
  • The truth is is that this is a fauxrage manufactured by Media Matters who is playing you like a puppet on a string
  • The truth is is that this Media Matters isn't shocked, nor really cares, what Carlson said at the time in the context of that time, their sole purpose is to destroy those who don't kow tow to them, whose who have different opinions
  • The truth is is that leftists, of which Media Matters is a part, don't believe in truth or honesty or diversity of thought or anything else, wanting to be the totalitarian fascist thought police for anything and anyone which disagrees with them, which they must destroy
  • The truth is is that this is little more than a disgusting and dishonest smear campaign
:lamo
The only "truth" here is that (like so many right wing ideologues) you don't understand the basic difference between FACTS and your own ignorant opinions. The level of ignorance on display in the above "arguments"....is really quite amazing to observe. Not one single, objective, provable "truth" anywhere in that ridiculous screed.

Stop being a liberal / progressive snowflake and pretending that this outrages you.
Oh, please. Stop whining about being labeled appropriately. You people spew bigotry and ignorance...and then whine and complain when your bigotry is called out. The fact that you, and your ilk, ignore the racial bigotry of your heroes (like Carlson) because you share their views.

Quit promoting fascism. What's next/ the burning of book which have the temerity to disagree with leftists?
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Fascism? You're such a typical right winger. Read a freaking book, my low-information, Fox-News-loving friend. At least TRY to understand what words mean before misusing them and looking like an idiot, next time, ok?

He did, and his stance is probably the most correct one.
And you don't understand how you keep portraying yourself as a bigot, like Tucker Carlson? Seriously? Every other alt-right/white nationalist type agrees with you, as well. It's not small coincidence that the ranks of people who share your personal perspective (which you share with Carslon and his ilk)....are almost exclusively limited to older and middle aged conservative white men (and about half of their wives), you know? Take that for what it's worth.


:lamo'FauxNews'. Probably from someone who's never watched Fox News, and has never watched Carlson's program. Yeah, as if you had any credibility in the matter. My advice is that you crawl back into your safe space and play with your crayons and silly putty.
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And my advice to you is to educate yourself so that you don't come across as an ignorant bafoon every time you attempt to share your arguments beyond the comfy confines of the alt-right forums where you get them. In an educated environment, you'll see your empty-headed FauxNews talking points gutted, and mocked, routinely.
 
As long as you exclude Muslim murderers, gang members, thugs, crooks, ungodly operators, deceivers, racists, sex perverts and so forth.

Nope

Including them. All of 'em.

The reality is that fake right wing/fundamentalist pseudo-Christians (I refer to them as Christianists) are the single greatest threat to Christianity in America today. In fact, many of them comprise are large faction of the "racists, sex perverts, crooks, ungodly operators and thugs", etc...which you so clumbsily attempted to target in your remarks.
 
1. Media Matters is a Soros funded attack dog. As Brock said, their opposition to Fox news is akin to "guerrilla warfare and sabotage." That is their words, not mine.
Soros funded? Who cares? What's your problem with Soros? Do you hold the same disdain for the Kock brothers? T

Regardless, the difference bvtween Media Matters and FoxNews is that MM's "war" is predicated upon FACTS, while FauxNews deals in propaganda, distortions, half-truths, and lies. What you hate is that David Brock is a former wingnut who repented and has spent the last 20 years exposing the lies that you people call "conservative facts".

2. The question is not whether MRC is digging up personal dirt on Fox News personalities but whether they are digging up personal dirt on any media personalities. The Media Matter-MRC comparison is apples and oranges.
Wrong. That's not the question at all. And the major difference between MM and MRC is really crystal clear: one is a respected, fact-based media watchdog, and the other is a propaganda tool with little/no respect in academic circles.

3. Media Matters is not addressing the content of Carlson's positions and offering some fact based counter-point. They are out to destroy him personally and, thereby, have Fox cave in to strident leftwing voices wanting him removed. It is removal that is the goal, not an airing of political or ideological differences. This is inarguable yet you act as if what we can all observe, is not happening.
Tucker's "content"? What content? What a stupid comment. There is no substantive "content" being offered by Tucker Carlson...only vile, bigoted invectives. It's not MM's responsibility to offer a "fact-based counter point" to Carlson's contention that "Iraqi's are monkeys". Everyone knows that a ignorant, racist lie. All MM has to do is expose those comments from people like Tucker Carlson, and let the public judge him for them. That's the role of a media watchdog.

Conservatives are increasingly NOT free to express their opinions; not on FB, on Twitter, at Google, at Amazon and in many other corporations and certainly not on most college campuses. Doing so incurs censure and penalties if not outright silencing or banning. Maybe even physical attacks as we saw at Berkeley. Again, this is no secret. But, as I said, we are not going to lay down for the left, EVER.
Oh, stop being such a snowflake.

The ONLY time "Conservatives" and everyone else are seeing their "opinions" attacked....is when these "conservatives" spew offensive, ignorant, bigoted, racist rhetoric that incites violence against racial and religious minorities and women in this country. These "conservatives" that you are talking about are NOT true conservatives. They are racists and bigots who HIDE BEHIND the patina of "conservative values". Any true conservative would denounce these bigots, because racism, bigotry and anti-intellectualism should NOT be considered inherent components of conservatism. The FACT that so many right wingers, like you, continue to conflate ignorance and bigotry with "conservative" simply proves that you and they are kindred spirits.
 
"have no business attempting to debate this issue with me"?
Why not? Who are you?

Well, let's start with the most-obvious first, shall we?

For starters, I'm someone who understands that your mind-reading abilities are, at best, the stuff of delusions.

Next, I'm also the guy who had to dispel you of the fake news propaganda about Media Matters being "exposed" to be in violation of it's tax exempt restrictions.
 
Soros funded? Who cares? What's your problem with Soros? Do you hold the same disdain for the Kock brothers? T

Regardless, the difference bvtween Media Matters and FoxNews is that MM's "war" is predicated upon FACTS, while FauxNews deals in propaganda, distortions, half-truths, and lies. What you hate is that David Brock is a former wingnut who repented and has spent the last 20 years exposing the lies that you people call "conservative facts".


Wrong. That's not the question at all. And the major difference between MM and MRC is really crystal clear: one is a respected, fact-based media watchdog, and the other is a propaganda tool with little/no respect in academic circles.


Tucker's "content"? What content? What a stupid comment. There is no substantive "content" being offered by Tucker Carlson...only vile, bigoted invectives. It's not MM's responsibility to offer a "fact-based counter point" to Carlson's contention that "Iraqi's are monkeys". Everyone knows that a ignorant, racist lie. All MM has to do is expose those comments from people like Tucker Carlson, and let the public judge him for them. That's the role of a media watchdog.


Oh, stop being such a snowflake.

The ONLY time "Conservatives" and everyone else are seeing their "opinions" attacked....is when these "conservatives" spew offensive, ignorant, bigoted, racist rhetoric that incites violence against racial and religious minorities and women in this country. These "conservatives" that you are talking about are NOT true conservatives. They are racists and bigots who HIDE BEHIND the patina of "conservative values". Any true conservative would denounce these bigots, because racism, bigotry and anti-intellectualism should NOT be considered inherent components of conservatism. The FACT that so many right wingers, like you, continue to conflate ignorance and bigotry with "conservative" simply proves that you and they are kindred spirits.

I'm not going to wade through this fact-free bilge. All I'll say is that you relieve yourself of any need to engage in a fact based debate by labeling conservative views as de-facto "ignorant, racist, bigoted, blah, blah, blah". You are the archetype of the kinds of people running Media Matters. Their goal isn't to expose facts or non-facts. Their goal is to relieve the left having to debate them, much like you.
 
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