Tucker Carlson

ralphcdp said:

Tucker is one fat cover up from beginning to end. He pretended to be knowledgeable about that September morn and the events of it when he was woefully ignorant of the events and the science.

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Ummm. Okay...if you say so.

maxparrish said:

Ummm. Okay...if you say so.

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Evidence says so, max.

ralphcdp said:

Evidence says so, max.

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I have no idea what you are talking about. "That Sept morn" and "the science" is not exactly headline material. Why don't you try identify the subject without allusions.

maxparrish said:

I have no idea what you are talking about. "That Sept morn" and "the science" is not exactly headline material. Why don't you try identify the subject without allusions.

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Evil isn't confined to the daily headlines/propaganda.

The latest tape made this asshole Carlsen sound like a real perv......Because he is

cabse5 said:

Before you answered, you should've realized the free market means each buyer/seller has influence over the market not some mob.

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That is not the definition of a free market. :lamo

Under the so-called free market, people are free to organize voluntarily. That includes organizing to boycott. The advertisers did not want to be boycotted so they pulled their ads from Tucker's show. Remember when you guys did it by breaking your Keurig coffee makers?

Winston said:

Why won't he address the substance of the issue? He is hiding something, since he refuses to address the substance. ...

Tucker has so far displayed no compunction to disavow the atrocious things he said, one can only wonder why. …

In it you see the host pushing back on Tucker's asinine remarks on Warren Jeffs, because even the interviewer was surprised at the absurdity and abject amorality of what Tucker was saying....

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In a previous post I suggested you give an exchange as an example, namely that on the subject of Warren Jeffs. Don't bother, I will provide a link to that exchange and illustrate EXACTLY why it is a stupid time-waster to respond to each and every smear delivered by MM.

To be continued...

bearpoker said:

I liked him years ago when he was on MSNBC. Now I'm glad he's not there anymore.

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Fox is like the WWE. Changing the personalities to fit the storyline.

Geoist said:

Lol, keep defending the guy defending Warren Jeffs. Real good look for you guys. :lamo

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You can criticize the man all you like but he has offered any of his critics to come on air in the present to discuss his past comments. He said some things that sounded wrong when he was associated with MSNBC, but the man has the right to explain himself against those who criticize his comments out of context.

Winston said:

Tucker has so far displayed no compunction to disavow the atrocious things he said, one can only wonder why. ...In it you see the host pushing back on Tucker's asinine remarks on Warren Jeffs, because even the interviewer was surprised at the absurdity and abject amorality of what Tucker was saying.

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On a shock jock show called "BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE", Carlsen had an extended exchange about Warren Jeffs. That exchange (from Media Matters) is summarized below:

In unearthed audio, Tucker Carlson makes numerous misogynistic and perverted comments

BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE: You know, I've asked everybody in this show, because we mostly agree with you, but I have not found one person that's on TV, a journalist, in paper -- I've not been able to find anybody that has the same stance as you.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well that's because nobody has the balls to articulate it because everyone is afraid of what people are going to say. I'm not endorsing polygamy. My -- here's my point: If a guy wants to be polygamist, that's kind of his business.

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THE LOVE SPONGE: But where I think you've gone wrong is how you've downplayed how much of a crime this is, and how you've tried, I mean --
CARLSON: Wait, what? Crime is what? Do you know what the guy’s been charged with? I actually do know, because I got the subpoena. I got the indictment.

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CARLSON: Felony rape, and do you know what he's accused of doing?

THE LOVE SPONGE: But Tucker --

CARLSON: He's not accused of touching anybody; he is accused of facilitating a marriage between a 16-year-old girl and a 27-year-old man. That's the accusation. That's what they're calling felony rape. [crosstalk] That's bull****. I'm sorry. Now this guy may be [crosstalk], may be a child rapist. I'm just telling you that arranging a marriage between a 16-year-old and a 27-year-old is not the same as pulling a stranger off the street and raping her. That's bull****.

THE LOVE SPONGE: But Tuck, that's just a small little thing that they got him on. Now, this guy is a --

CARLSON: Wait, wait, wait. Since when do you believe everything the government says? Wait a second. (Host objects)

CARLSON: All of a sudden, like we're very skeptical about everything until like some prosecutor comes out and says, "This guy's bad," and the rest of us nod in agreement like a church choir, "Yeah, he's bad." How do we know he's bad? What do we know exactly? Nothing.

THE LOVE SPONGE: Tucker, Tucker, settle down, lover. I mean, come on. I mean, jeez.

THE LOVE SPONGE: Has management came to you and told you to back it down a half a notch on the polygamy deal, and be honest.

CARLSON: No, but I'm sure that -- no, I promise that -- but I'm sure they’re totally horrified and disgusted. I mean, why wouldn't they be? Because in TV, you have to take the most popular point of view all the time. That's the whole idea.

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CARLSON: Whatever the public is for, whoever the majority is for, you gotta be for. So you know what I mean? You’re not allowed to take like unpopular or confusing points of view.

CO-HOST: And Tucker, I totally understand your libertarian instincts taking over because at first, that's mine too, but once I dug into it, I realized that these girls, actually, they just have no chance in life, because they're not allowed to go to school past eighth grade --

CARLSON: I agree.

CO-HOST: They drive the boys --

CARLSON: It's disgusting! I think the religion (Fundi Mormonist Polygamists) is ridiculous, I think it's a cult, I think it's totally immoral. But that's not the point. The question is, two questions -- one: Is this guy one of the top 10 most dangerous people in America? The answer is no, unequivocally no. And two: If you’re, like, for the government butting out of the bedroom and for gay marriage, and for the right of strip clubs to operate unimpeded by governments -- how exactly can you be against polygamy? On what grounds are you against polygamy? I don't get that.

CO-HOST: I'm against polygamy on the grounds of the pedophilia aspect of it.

CARLSON: I know, but that’s like saying I'm against marriage because some fathers beat their kids, or some fathers molest their daughters.

CO-HOST: Well, in the state of Florida, though, if you're a 27-year-old and you marry a 16-year-old, that is felony rape in the state.

CARLSON: No, that's not true. That is absolutely not true. That is not true. In the state of Florida, if she has the consent of her parents, you can marry her.

THE LOVE SPONGE: But it's 23-16 in the state of Florida. I checked with the same people.

CARLSON: No, no. If she has the permission of her parents, you can marry her at 16. … [/quote]

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So given what was believed to be factually true by Tucker and the Host, there is nothing "atrocious" in the exchange. In sum, here is Carlsen's points in regards to Warren Jeffs:

- Tucker not endorsing polygamy.

- WJ is accused of felony rape but he did not rape anyone in those charges.

- WJ is accused of facilitating a marriage between 27 year old and a 16 year old.

- WJ "arranging a marriage between a 16-year-old and a 27-year-old is not the same as pulling a stranger off the street and raping her. That's bull****."

- Tucker believes Jeffs religion is a cult that is immoral and disgusting. But "The question is, two questions -- one: Is this guy one of the top 10 most dangerous people in America? The answer is no, unequivocally no. And two: If you’re, like, for the government butting out of the bedroom and for gay marriage, and for the right of strip clubs to operate unimpeded by governments -- how exactly can you be against polygamy? On what grounds are you against polygamy? I don't get that."

There is nothing atrocious in these comments, they are libertarian and spot on.

Carlson is correct that Jeffs was accused only of facilitating the union, but instead got two felony rape charges. While Jeffs was suspected of his own plural marriages to underage girls by this date, there were no such criminal charges against him.

And Carlson was not alone in questioning the fairness of the charge: "Daniel Medwed, now a professor of criminal law at Northeastern University, said the rape as an accomplice charge was typically reserved for suspects more directly involved in a crime, such as leading someone into a room where a rapist is waiting."

Columnist Ellen Goodman also wrote: “For that matter, how can you convict a man as an accessory to rape when the alleged rapist himself — the husband — hasn’t been charged?” Goodman wrote."

Finally, "The Utah Supreme Court later overturned the conviction, saying the jury should have focused more on whether Jeffs directly caused the rape. There also were questions of whether witnesses fabricated and backdated medical reports. The Washington County Attorney’s Office dismissed the charges."

In other words, Carlson was correct in his skepticism. Later, when WJ was convicted in 2011 he WAS found guilty of actual rape of young girls. Carlsen did not object to the fairness of those charges and the conviction.


What Tucker Carlson got right and wrong about Utah polygamist Warren Jeffs - The Salt Lake Tribune

marke said:

You can criticize the man all you like but he has offered any of his critics to come on air in the present to discuss his past comments.

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"Watch my show! Boost my ratings and I'll explain my comments only then!"

...What a joke...

Geoist said:

"Watch my show! Boost my ratings and I'll explain my comments only then!"

...What a joke...

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We should not be surprised that democrat moon howlers will slander Tucker Carson for being a conservative spokesman. Look at what the loony tune liberals are saying about Trump.

marke said:

We should not be surprised that democrat moon howlers will slander Tucker Carson for being a conservative spokesman. Look at what the loony tune liberals are saying about Trump.

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You support a narcissistic clown who has to lie about the 'Tim Apple' incident. The pity I feel for you guys is immense. :lol:

Geoist said:

That is not the definition of a free market. :lamo

Under the so-called free market, people are free to organize voluntarily. That includes organizing to boycott. The advertisers did not want to be boycotted so they pulled their ads from Tucker's show. Remember when you guys did it by breaking your Keurig coffee makers?

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You think that is free market. Organizing behavior to influence the market is not free market. I have Econ books you could read.

Geoist said:

"Watch my show! Boost my ratings and I'll explain my comments only then!"

...What a joke...

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Why ask the man for clarification when it is so easy to just assume the worst and slander him mercilessly without allowing him to defend himself?

Geoist said:

You support a narcissistic clown who has to lie about the 'Tim Apple' incident. The pity I feel for you guys is immense. :lol:

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What Tim Apple incident? Did you hear about the Washington Post and other major outlets being sued by the Catholic school kid for lying about him?

marke said:

What Tim Apple incident? Did you hear about the Washington Post and other major outlets being sued by the Catholic school kid for lying about him?

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:roll:

Nap said:

And where exactly did he do that? I glanced through the transcripts and he was talking about arranged marriages between a 16 year old and a 27 year old. 16 is the age of consent in many states and is not pedophilia.





He later even clarified his statements saying that it was disgusting and immoral, I'm not quite sure what the issue is.

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The girls were as young as 12yo.

Your need to lie about it shows that even you know how deplorable he is

marke said:

Why ask the man for clarification when it is so easy to just assume the worst and slander him mercilessly without allowing him to defend himself?

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Give it a rest. Tucker's own words condemn him. You just can't spin Iraqis are primative monkeys and women are primative. You can't spin his claim that White men built civilization.

Tucker is a White supremacist. He was accused of that long before the tapes.

maxparrish said:

On a shock jock show called "BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE", Carlsen had an extended exchange about Warren Jeffs. That exchange (from Media Matters) is summarized below:

In unearthed audio, Tucker Carlson makes numerous misogynistic and perverted comments

BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE: You know, I've asked everybody in this show, because we mostly agree with you, but I have not found one person that's on TV, a journalist, in paper -- I've not been able to find anybody that has the same stance as you.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well that's because nobody has the balls to articulate it because everyone is afraid of what people are going to say. I'm not endorsing polygamy. My -- here's my point: If a guy wants to be polygamist, that's kind of his business.

snip...

THE LOVE SPONGE: But where I think you've gone wrong is how you've downplayed how much of a crime this is, and how you've tried, I mean --
CARLSON: Wait, what? Crime is what? Do you know what the guy’s been charged with? I actually do know, because I got the subpoena. I got the indictment.

snip...

CARLSON: Felony rape, and do you know what he's accused of doing?

THE LOVE SPONGE: But Tucker --

CARLSON: He's not accused of touching anybody; he is accused of facilitating a marriage between a 16-year-old girl and a 27-year-old man. That's the accusation. That's what they're calling felony rape. [crosstalk] That's bull****. I'm sorry. Now this guy may be [crosstalk], may be a child rapist. I'm just telling you that arranging a marriage between a 16-year-old and a 27-year-old is not the same as pulling a stranger off the street and raping her. That's bull****.

THE LOVE SPONGE: But Tuck, that's just a small little thing that they got him on. Now, this guy is a --

CARLSON: Wait, wait, wait. Since when do you believe everything the government says? Wait a second. (Host objects)

CARLSON: All of a sudden, like we're very skeptical about everything until like some prosecutor comes out and says, "This guy's bad," and the rest of us nod in agreement like a church choir, "Yeah, he's bad." How do we know he's bad? What do we know exactly? Nothing.

THE LOVE SPONGE: Tucker, Tucker, settle down, lover. I mean, come on. I mean, jeez.

THE LOVE SPONGE: Has management came to you and told you to back it down a half a notch on the polygamy deal, and be honest.

CARLSON: No, but I'm sure that -- no, I promise that -- but I'm sure they’re totally horrified and disgusted. I mean, why wouldn't they be? Because in TV, you have to take the most popular point of view all the time. That's the whole idea.

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CARLSON: Whatever the public is for, whoever the majority is for, you gotta be for. So you know what I mean? You’re not allowed to take like unpopular or confusing points of view.

CO-HOST: And Tucker, I totally understand your libertarian instincts taking over because at first, that's mine too, but once I dug into it, I realized that these girls, actually, they just have no chance in life, because they're not allowed to go to school past eighth grade --

CARLSON: I agree.

CO-HOST: They drive the boys --

CARLSON: It's disgusting! I think the religion (Fundi Mormonist Polygamists) is ridiculous, I think it's a cult, I think it's totally immoral. But that's not the point. The question is, two questions -- one: Is this guy one of the top 10 most dangerous people in America? The answer is no, unequivocally no. And two: If you’re, like, for the government butting out of the bedroom and for gay marriage, and for the right of strip clubs to operate unimpeded by governments -- how exactly can you be against polygamy? On what grounds are you against polygamy? I don't get that.

CO-HOST: I'm against polygamy on the grounds of the pedophilia aspect of it.

CARLSON: I know, but that’s like saying I'm against marriage because some fathers beat their kids, or some fathers molest their daughters.

CO-HOST: Well, in the state of Florida, though, if you're a 27-year-old and you marry a 16-year-old, that is felony rape in the state.

CARLSON: No, that's not true. That is absolutely not true. That is not true. In the state of Florida, if she has the consent of her parents, you can marry her.

THE LOVE SPONGE: But it's 23-16 in the state of Florida. I checked with the same people.

CARLSON: No, no. If she has the permission of her parents, you can marry her at 16. …

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Even though you didn't quote the worst part of his comments, what you did quote does not exonerate Tucker

Tucker makes serious arguments that are in no way humorous and he's so serious that even the host tells him to calm down, which is not something one says to someone who is joking

cabse5 said:

You think that is free market. Organizing behavior to influence the market is not free market. I have Econ books you could read.

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Give me the quote and source, buddy.

marke said:

What Tim Apple incident?

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Seriously? You are far too deep in the right-wing echo chamber.

Did you hear about the Washington Post and other major outlets being sued by the Catholic school kid for lying about him?

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Washington Post isn't my president.

marke said:

Why ask the man for clarification when it is so easy to just assume the worst and slander him mercilessly without allowing him to defend himself?

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Lol, he clearly stated Jeffs was no accessory to the marriages. Either he is a moron and doesn't understand what accessory means, or he is a liar. Which is it?

sangha said:

Even though you didn't quote the worst part of his comments, what you did quote does not exonerate Tucker

Tucker makes serious arguments that are in no way humorous and he's so serious that even the host tells him to calm down, which is not something one says to someone who is joking

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Your unsupported assertions are noted, as is your unwillingness or inability to offer any counter-factuals beyond the assurance that there is unquoted evidence that might support your views.

Not impressive.

Therefore, my post did exonerate Tucker on the specific faux issue over his expressed views on the Warren Jeffs topic in 2006.