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    Re: Would you agree that mandatory voting is compelled speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    ... would you agree that this is a form of coerced expression?
    Yes. By forcing it's citizens to choose a candidate, when they might not favor any of them, the Australian government is being coercive.

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    Re: Would you agree that mandatory voting is compelled speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCal View Post
    I'd rather have mandatory voting like you have there, rather than disenfranchised voters like we have here...
    Mandatory voting does not equate to empowered and engaged voters, it just means forced voting.
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    Re: Would you agree that mandatory voting is compelled speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    Compelled speech - Wikipedia

    Do you think forcing citizens to vote between a limited number of parties/candidates in elections would qualify as coerced speech? (or, by association, coerced expression?)

    Here in Australia, voting is mandatory and the deviation between the major parties is marginal. If there are no candidates or parties who closely represent you or who you strongly relate with, you still need to vote for one.

    Ignoring the fact that this means many parties win free votes by simple top-of-mind strategies among clueless or uninterested voters, would you agree that this is a form of coerced expression?
    It is both coercive and a free choice. I don't see why it has to be either or. It is however a choice akin to a drowning man being given a choice between death and being saved by someone who will demand a lifetime of labor in return. Sure you have a choice...

    But coercive speech in this manner isn't so bad. In exchange for the luxury and safety of society it is the least our government could ask of us, to make a decision, informed or otherwise, on appointment of our representatives. Next to conscription, taxes and jury duty, which forces us to decide the fate of our fellow citizens in legal matters, it's almost an affront to call compulsory voting coercion to begin with. But if you want to be pedantic, yes. Yes it is.

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    Re: Would you agree that mandatory voting is compelled speech?

    Sigh!
    The Op here is either misdirecting all of you or just does not understand mandatory voting.

    Firstly, australia does have a mandatory voting system but on the brighter side the title is a misnomer. It really does not mean that you have to cast a vote.

    What it does mean and the way the australian system works is that every eligible voter in australia has their name on a voting register. And the law states that during the voting period the voter must get their name signed off on that register otherwise they face a fine. This is a far better system than america has where apparently politicians can make law changes that prevent people from voting.

    However, and this is the important bit, so pay attention. What a person does with their voting card is entirely their choice. They can vote if they want, they can screw it up and throw it in the rubbish, they can fold it into a paper aeroplane if they like. Which i have actually done. And got it into the rubbish bin first shot as well.

    There is no law that forces anyone to actually cast a vote. Australians do have the freedom of choice on whether to vote or not.
    Last edited by soylentgreen; 03-11-19 at 01:08 PM.

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    Re: Would you agree that mandatory voting is compelled speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    Compelled speech - Wikipedia

    Do you think forcing citizens to vote between a limited number of parties/candidates in elections would qualify as coerced speech? (or, by association, coerced expression?)

    Here in Australia, voting is mandatory and the deviation between the major parties is marginal. If there are no candidates or parties who closely represent you or who you strongly relate with, you still need to vote for one.

    Ignoring the fact that this means many parties win free votes by simple top-of-mind strategies among clueless or uninterested voters, would you agree that this is a form of coerced expression?
    WTF. I suspect you are prime example of why people argue there should be a minimum iq level to be able to vote.

    Your link is absolute ****. It has nothing to do with mandatory voting in australia, it does not even mention australia.

    Compelled speech is even held up as correct in the americans constitution. so wtf does it have to do with this outright post of ignorance you have just wasted everyone's time with?

    From your link
    Compelled speech is a transmission of expression required by law. A related legal concept is protected speech. In the United States, compelled speech is governed by the First and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution. In the same way that the First Amendment protects free expression, in many cases it similarly protects an individual from being required to utter or otherwise express a thought with which they disagree.
    How laughable.

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    Re: Would you agree that mandatory voting is compelled speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    What happens to you if you don't vote?
    Nothing. I can assure you that chasing down people for not voting is not high on a police persons list of things to do.

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    Re: Would you agree that mandatory voting is compelled speech?

    Well, it is coerced but I don't know if it is coerced "speech". I do think there should be a "none of the above" option if it is mandatory. If that is done then it is no more problematic then requiring us to participate in the census.
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    Re: Would you agree that mandatory voting is compelled speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
    Nothing. I can assure you that chasing down people for not voting is not high on a police persons list of things to do.
    I don't understand the point of the OP then when he says voting is mandatory and that you are forced to vote. Apparently you're not.

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    Re: Would you agree that mandatory voting is compelled speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCal View Post
    I'd rather have mandatory voting like you have there, rather than disenfranchised voters like we have here...
    But anyone who is forced to vote when they don't want to is disenfranchised.

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    Re: Would you agree that mandatory voting is compelled speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    Do you think forcing citizens to vote between a limited number of parties/candidates in elections would qualify as coerced speech? (or, by association, coerced expression?)
    No.

    Votes are not speech.

    I'd say that Voting is a civic duty, just like jury duty (which is also compulsory) or military service during a draft.

    Compulsory voting does not necessarily favor any ideology or party size. If people are voting for similar parties, then it sounds like that is, at the very least in part, what the majority wants.

    Any possible remaining issues could be handled by allowing abstentions.
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