No you brought it up when you called yourself a social capitalist whatever the hell that is.
No you don't. you don't get to make up an indefensible position and claim i'm right your wrong.
Actually you can't. medicare for all costs ~35-40 trillion dollars. How do you think the government is going to pay for it? by taking the production of people.
that is what taxes are. Taxes by definition is the seize of production from those that produce. yes you are woefully unaware that is evident because
you just make up things that don't exist.
This is called ignorance. those little tax cuts wouldn't pay for 1 year.
even if you collapsed all government spending into your glutted program you would still be about 10-20 trillion short/10 years.
that money has to come from somewhere.
I do. that is why i vote for less government and more responsible government.
I support myself and no one else and when i have people like you that want others to support you
i oppose it fully.
There's just no end to your arrogance.
A social capitalist is what I call myself, and this entire exchange with you consisted of me defending my position. I did not call myself a socialist. I did not claim a preference for a government defined by socialism. You INFERRED both of those things. And I did say you shouldn't bother googling the term social capitalist, since I made that up for myself.
No one knows how much Medicare for all would cost. Those are guesses. But think, please: everyone with a legal job pays for it now. Everyone on Medicare pays for it now. Currently, premiums for individual coverage average over $550 per month. On top of that, most have large deductibles and copayments, and their insurance doesn't cover some things at all, so who knows what the actual cost may be? The average annual costs per person hit $10,345 in 2016. I couldn't find the 2017 numbers, but here's 2018:
Health Insurance: Premiums and Increases
"In 2018 the average annual premium for employer-based family coverage rose 5 percent to $19,616; for single coverage, premiums rose 3 percent to $6,896. Covered workers contributed 18 percent of the cost for single coverage and 29 percent of the cost for family coverage, on average, with considerable variation across firms."
Let's compare that to what I pay for my coverage.
$134 for Medicare
$149 for what Blue Shield calls their Mazeratti plan
Total: $283 per month, $3,396 per year. Already I'm $3,500 ahead. Now, since I have pre-existing conditions, I chose that high cost supplement. Most people opt for much less expensive ones. But mine has zero deductibles and zero co-payments. And no, there is no shortage of medical care providers willing to take Medicare patients. I had my left knee replaced last week. I was not restricted to any HMO or state-run facility. I went online, chose the best rated orthopedic surgeon I could find, called up and made an appointment. One week later, I entered the newest, finest, most modern high tech hospital in town. Since coming home last Friday, I've had home visits from occupational and physical therapists, with the latter on a five day a week schedule for the next few weeks. AT NO TIME has any cash or plastic come out of my wallet. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Now, if the average American could get such stellar coverage for even DOUBLE that, it would still be far less than what they pay now once you add in deductibles and co-payments and payments for stuff that just isn't covered.
Instead of accusing me of ignorance, why not educate yourself on the actual facts:
- Socialism and capitalism can easily co-exist.
- Medicare for all can cost as little or as much as we the people choose, IF we have the will to choose it. There are so many wasteful things we could STOP paying for!
- I can call myself a social capitalist, or anything else I choose. I don't need your permission.
And where, please tell me, did I ask you to pay for a ****ing thing on my account? I worked for 48 years, no one ever gave me anything. Certainly not some pompous little rightie sitting here arguing his nonsense online on a regular work day. Or maybe, like me, you're retired after a long, taxpaying career? The pompous fits at least. (And remember, the snarkiness and the personal insults started with you.)
We ALL take full advantage of the rights and privileges of being American citizens. You're getting the same "free stuff" as I am, but at least I am aware and admit it. And that right there, the self awareness and the depth of knowledge regarding those rights and privileges, is the biggest difference between us.
Please question your sources. I certainly do.
eace
