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Trump is King Cyrus

SonOfDaedalus said:
Mocking a disabled reporter? Stealing from his son's cancer charity? Setting up a fake university that scammed poor people into going into debt? Complaining that an old men who fell and hit his head was bleeding all over his precious marble floors?
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If that makes Trump evil, then lots and lots of politicians are evil including lots and lots of liberal Democrats.
 
veritas1 said:
That's it? That's what all the hullabaloo is about?
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That's just a starting point. Tip of the google iceberg.

Trump/Pence had Jeffress speak at the Jerusalem embassy opening. Jeffress has said that Hitler was doing God's work with that little holocaust thingie. Lovely people with large followings.

I don't care what people think of Clinton. I remember Christians saying "character counts" back when he was president, though. My, how they have changed with the times. So much for that eternal truth.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
FYI, I'm an evangelical Christian. But just as you had Christians supporting slavery and Christians supporting the corruption of the medieval papacy you have Christians today following a completely corrupt interpretation of Christianity.

I can't stand Bill Maher's anti-religious positions but I can't help but agree with him here. Maher claims that instead of following the teachings of the Bible these Christians use the Bible to justify whatever they want. And he's totally right about that.

Here Christians are claiming that Trump was anointed by God and is compared to King Cyrus. It's totally insane and Maher is brutally funny here.



But I say if you want to save America, we have to get the Christians on our side. I'm one of those Christians who actually reads the Bible and conservatism is anti-Christian. Christianity advocates peace and denounces greed and hatred. It promotes self-sacrifice for the sake of others. It encourages us to help the poor and even illegal immigrants. It encourages us to love our enemies. It denounces self-righteousness. It denounces storing up treasures for yourself or the accumulation of wealth. It denounces the rich and insists that money corrupts the soul. And it denounces people like Donald Trump--rich selfish dishonest people who pay lip service to God.

Instead of attacking Christianity atheists should encourage Christians to be more Christian and to live according to their ideals.
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Sorry but this is just more proof that Christianity is a bunch of BS.
 
veritas1 said:
If that makes Trump evil, then lots and lots of politicians are evil including lots and lots of liberal Democrats.
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Mocking disabled people is something normal people do in your world?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Sorry but this is just more proof that Christianity is a bunch of BS.
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But it's not Christianity. If it were Christianity than they would have said that Obama was appointed by God or King George III was appointed by God. It's politics that uses religion to justify itself. It's the same thing that ISIS or the Taliban do. It's, unfortunately, a human problem. Atheist controlled governments don't have the best record. And religious people blame atheism for the atrocities just as you blame religion for terrible things religious people do.

You don't see the good religious people who refuse to go to war. Watch Hacksaw Ridge, a true story about a war hero who refused to touch a gun.
 
veritas1 said:
No, I admit he has character issues but that doesn't make him evil nor does it make him bad at his job and that is all that really matters in the end. You were asked who these leaders are that are claiming that Trump is God anointed. Do you have any quotes to show us?
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*face palm*

Did you watch the video in the OP? Do I have to find quotes using the actual word "anointed"? Top of the list will be Sarah Sanders going on the Christian Broadcasting Network to say that she thinks Trump was chosen by God. WTF is the U.S. president's press secretary doing on CBN? Then maybe I'll cull quotes from CPAC, because I promised you mainstream. I'll loop in Hannity and Falwell comparing Trump to King David (to point out that you can have concubines and still be a man of God). I'm sure I'll find more.

But I'm not doing it now. You've heard it before. You've seen the outraged threads posted here. And you're pretending it didn't happen. Therefore I think the time I spend in compiling the list will be wasted so I am in no hurry. I'll go start a textfile now and then add the quotes to the list at my convenience as I come across them again.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
But it's not Christianity. If it were Christianity than they would have said that Obama was appointed by God or King George III was appointed by God. It's politics that uses religion to justify itself. It's the same thing that ISIS or the Taliban do. It's, unfortunately, a human problem. Atheist controlled governments don't have the best record. And religious people blame atheism for the atrocities just as you blame religion for terrible things religious people do.

You don't see the good religious people who refuse to go to war. Watch Hacksaw Ridge, a true story about a war hero who refused to touch a gun.
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That reminds me of the argument "It's not real Communism". Perhaps it isnt what you believe that Christianity should be, but are we really doing the no true Scotsman's thing? No true Christian would do these things?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
That reminds me of the argument "It's not real Communism". Perhaps it isnt what you believe that Christianity should be, but are we really doing the no true Scotsman's thing? No true Christian would do these things?
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NK is a republic?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Yes just not our type of republic. If you look it up there are actually different type of republics.
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I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but there is something to rejecting self applied labels.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Yes just not our type of republic. If you look it up there are actually different type of republics.
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I guess what I'm interested in is why this is a case of No True Scotsman, and not a case of applying our own labels.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but there is something to rejecting self applied labels.
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Labeling yourself Christian is subjective, it also does not mean that you are incapable of sin. Perhaps Trump believes himself to be a Christian much like pedophile priest, I am sure view themselves to be Christian as well.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
That's just a starting point. Tip of the google iceberg.

Trump/Pence had Jeffress speak at the Jerusalem embassy opening. Jeffress has said that Hitler was doing God's work with that little holocaust thingie. Lovely people with large followings.

I don't care what people think of Clinton. I remember Christians saying "character counts" back when he was president, though. My, how they have changed with the times. So much for that eternal truth.
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I'd like to see a link to that Jeffress quote. That aside, character used to count. It doesn't so much anymore. That doesn't mean that Trump is worse than, or even as bad as, other people in high office, only that people only seem to care when it's the other side's guy being discussed. The very same people harrumphing about Stormy Daniels didn't care a fig about the Lewinsky thing or the Paula Jones thing or the Jaunita Broderick thing or the Kathleen Willey thing.
 
ecofarm said:
I guess what I'm interested in is why this is a case of No True Scotsman, and not a case of applying our own labels.
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It isnt my place to Judge if someone is an actual Christian or not. Perhaps Trump believes that he is Christian?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Labeling yourself Christian is subjective, it also does not mean that you are incapable of sin. Perhaps Trump believes himself to be a Christian much like pedophile priest, I am sure view themselves to be Christian as well.
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I wouldn't get that nasty about Trump, but I see your argument.
 
Amelia said:
*face palm*

Did you watch the video in the OP? Do I have to find quotes using the actual word "anointed"? Top of the list will be Sarah Sanders going on the Christian Broadcasting Network to say that she thinks Trump was chosen by God. WTF is the U.S. president's press secretary doing on CBN? Then maybe I'll cull quotes from CPAC, because I promised you mainstream. I'll loop in Hannity and Falwell comparing Trump to King David (to point out that you can have concubines and still be a man of God). I'm sure I'll find more.

But I'm not doing it now. You've heard it before. You've seen the outraged threads posted here. And you're pretending it didn't happen. Therefore I think the time I spend in compiling the list will be wasted so I am in no hurry. I'll go start a textfile now and then add the quotes to the list at my convenience as I come across them again.
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And here I thought you had them dripping from your hands. In any event, people thinking Trump is somehow God annointed, to whatever extent that exists, has nothing to do with whether Trump is evil, as the term is generally understood. If he is than so are the Kennedys and Clinton and lots of others. Robert Byrd anyone? Wasn't he Hill's "friend and mentor"?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
It isnt my place to Judge if someone is an actual Christian or not. Perhaps Trump believes that he is Christian?
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Presumably he is. I dislike lots of what he's said, but I don't see an indication that he's faking.
 
veritas1 said:
I'd like to see a link to that Jeffress quote. That aside, character used to count. It doesn't so much anymore. That doesn't mean that Trump is worse than, or even as bad as, other people in high office, only that people only seem to care when it's the other side's guy being discussed. The very same people harrumphing about Stormy Daniels didn't care a fig about the Lewinsky thing or the Paula Jones thing or the Jaunita Broderick thing or the Kathleen Willey thing.
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Actually I did care about Broderick, but she was the only accuser of Clinton that seemed credible to me. Jones was on Scaife's payroll (not working, but getting paid) for 10 years.

Seems I mixed up nutty christian quotes. Hagee, the other guy Trumpence brought to speak at the embassy (for you, as a christian) was the one that said Hitler did god's work.

Bigoted Pastors Bless New U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem

In audio from the 1990s, Hagee appeared to suggest that Adolf Hitler fulfilled a biblical prophecy by supporting the migration of Jews to pre-state Israel.

“God says in Jeremiah 16: ‘Behold, I will bring them the Jewish people again unto their land that I gave to their fathers. … Behold, I will send for many fishers, and after will I send for many hunters,'” Hagee said, according to a transcript of the sermon. “‘And kthe hunters shall hunt them.’ That would be the Jews. … Then God sent a hunter. A hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter.”
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<alt>doxygen said:
Actually I did care about Broderick, but she was the only accuser of Clinton that seemed credible to me. Jones was on Scaife's payroll (not working, but getting paid) for 10 years.

Seems I mixed up nutty christian quotes. Hagee, the other guy Trumpence brought to speak at the embassy (for you, as a christian) was the one that said Hitler did god's work.

Bigoted Pastors Bless New U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem
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Not sure what's anti-Jewish or pro-Hitler there. It's his interpretation of scripture. It's a fact that the plight of Jews in Europe under Nazism certainly expedited the formation of the state of Israel.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
FYI, I'm an evangelical Christian. But just as you had Christians supporting slavery and Christians supporting the corruption of the medieval papacy you have Christians today following a completely corrupt interpretation of Christianity.

I can't stand Bill Maher's anti-religious positions but I can't help but agree with him here. Maher claims that instead of following the teachings of the Bible these Christians use the Bible to justify whatever they want. And he's totally right about that.

Here Christians are claiming that Trump was anointed by God and is compared to King Cyrus. It's totally insane and Maher is brutally funny here.



But I say if you want to save America, we have to get the Christians on our side. I'm one of those Christians who actually reads the Bible and conservatism is anti-Christian. Christianity advocates peace and denounces greed and hatred. It promotes self-sacrifice for the sake of others. It encourages us to help the poor and even illegal immigrants. It encourages us to love our enemies. It denounces self-righteousness. It denounces storing up treasures for yourself or the accumulation of wealth. It denounces the rich and insists that money corrupts the soul. And it denounces people like Donald Trump--rich selfish dishonest people who pay lip service to God.

Instead of attacking Christianity atheists should encourage Christians to be more Christian and to live according to their ideals.
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I have said this for years. When I was growing up WWJD was all over everything. As I grew older I grew to understand the importance of "What would Jesus do?"

But now it just seems for many that Christianity is a weapon meant to attack.

I have to wonder if Democrats could tap into that WWJD element of Christianity. I would be beyond grateful if the Republicans did.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
That reminds me of the argument "It's not real Communism". Perhaps it isnt what you believe that Christianity should be, but are we really doing the no true Scotsman's thing? No true Christian would do these things?
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But it wasn't really communism. Communism is a stateless, classless and moneyless society. There's never been anything like that beyond some communes. The Soviets weren't really even socialists in the sense that workers weren't in control of the factories. It was all just propaganda.

You don't have to be a Biblical scholar to know that Jesus teaches that one should love their enemy and turn the other cheek. Do these Republican evangelicals believe that?

Human beings are irrational. Consider all the so-called libertarians here who support Trump. What people claim to believe and what they believe are two completely different things. Once you accept this, the world becomes far less confusing.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
I wish Bill Maher was my president. He is very good dealing with the Christian cancer we have in America. I wish he can bash Christian more often. That is the reason I watch his show.
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So full of hatred...that is not healthy...mentally or physically...perhaps a hobby would help....
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
But it wasn't really communism. Communism is a stateless, classless and moneyless society. There's never been anything like that beyond some communes. The Soviets weren't really even socialists in the sense that workers weren't in control of the factories. It was all just propaganda.
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That is still a no true Scotsman argument. Soviet Communism was a type of Communism, just hyphenated and unique.

You don't have to be a Biblical scholar to know that Jesus teaches that one should love their enemy and turn the other cheek. Do these Republican evangelicals believe that?
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Christians are just like every other human being on this planet; some are good some are not and everything between. While you want to hold Christians to a high standard that is just your bias speaking. The reality is that Christians are just people. The same goes for Republicans, they are just people as well. On the individual level yes there are plenty that try to live by the lessons of Jesus. Groups of people though do not do so well on thinking that way. Add to that political factions who are far into believing that there way is the only way, you get people who are going to act like asses. Perhaps they talked it over with their god in their head? Either way probably best to not generalize all Republicans since not all of them are religious much less Christian.

Human beings are irrational. Consider all the so-called libertarians here who support Trump. What people claim to believe and what they believe are two completely different things. Once you accept this, the world becomes far less confusing.
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One of the things early on that steered me away from religion was that the people in the them were generally not what they claim to be. personal I am not surprised that the religious right are behaving ungodly, they never have behaved godly or followed the bibles teachings. The religious right has always been bad people doing bad things; its what they do. Unless you have been under a rock this should all be old news to you. Its the religious right and there dominion crap that has been espousing a lot of hatred for decades. ANd you be hard pressed to find a Christian church these days that isnt preaching the religious rights platform these days. The religious right want to use Christian faith to control Americans. They are a large part why many Republicans hate Democrats. They say things like Democrats are godless and on and on. The religious right do not want anyone who is not a Christian. Give them enough rope and they will be firing up the ovens. And not once will they believe that they strayed from gods will. They will believe that they are doing gods work.
 
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