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The Left Abandons Women

GhostlyJoe said:
Homosexuality is normal, or, rather, homosexuals are just normal people who have sexual tastes distinct from the majority. Regardless, I think it's a separate issue from the points raised in the OP.
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I agree homosexual desires are normal for those that experience them. And I agree that many are completely normal people with abnormal desires. 'I doubt very seriously you could look at your average gay pride parade anywhere in the world and say that the participants are just...you know...normal. I also doubt you could look at men that walk, dress, talk and behave in an effeminate manner 'normal'...at least not in regards to established societal norms. ALl that being said, that wasnt a meant as a condemnation of homosexuals or homosexuality...just pointing to the reality regarding the press for 'transgendered rights' in the last few years to the point where we now have people chopping off body parts and claiming to be sexless/genderless aliens trapped on earth.

As to the relationship posed in the OP...it actually is quite relevant. When you press to make everything 'normal' you absolutely are impacting women and the categories of events/activities that are reserved for women. And I would daresay most women forced to live by the rules imposed by others in the name of 'equality' would agree.
 
lurchadams said:
I love it when conservatives start threads in this forum that totally defy logic and history - then several other of their "groupthink" buddies chime in and agree.

This further demonstrates how truly divided we are as a nation.
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I hate it when critics chime in with sweeping statements that make no sense and provide no explanation. It's worse than useless, it just foments anger.
 
Xelor said:
Thank you, but truly, one need not know a damn thing, other than that women comprise roughly half the population, to have better sense than to utter and/or hew to so ridiculous a statement/notion as "the left abandons women." No political faction is going to abandon men or women.
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Thus it's all the more incredible to find that the left is doing exactly that, abandoning women who love to compete and care about sports to the grossly unfair prospect of having to compete with biological men. What are progressives thinking?
 
VanceMack said:
I agree homosexual desires are normal for those that experience them. And I agree that many are completely normal people with abnormal desires. 'I doubt very seriously you could look at your average gay pride parade anywhere in the world and say that the participants are just...you know...normal. I also doubt you could look at men that walk, dress, talk and behave in an effeminate manner 'normal'...at least not in regards to established societal norms. ALl that being said, that wasnt a meant as a condemnation of homosexuals or homosexuality...just pointing to the reality regarding the press for 'transgendered rights' in the last few years to the point where we now have people chopping off body parts and claiming to be sexless/genderless aliens trapped on earth.

As to the relationship posed in the OP...it actually is quite relevant. When you press to make everything 'normal' you absolutely are impacting women and the categories of events/activities that are reserved for women. And I would daresay most women forced to live by the rules imposed by others in the name of 'equality' would agree.
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I generally agree with your second graph here. I don't really care what people do as long as they don't try to impose on others, and the case of transgender athletes is one area where it seems like an imposition on women's ability to compete on an even field.

I do think there's some room for discussion here, though. In some ways, the categories we draw -- even in athletics -- get blurry at the edges. For example, can featherweight boxers compete with heavyweight boxers? Could a featherweight beat a heavyweight in the ring? Probably in some cases, but not on average. Does that mean that featherweight boxing is less worthy? Possibly. It's generally considered that the heavyweight champ is the world's best boxer, but by having weight classes, we've facilitated more diverse, more evenly matched competition and even accommodated athletes to gain fame and fortune who otherwise might not have. I think male and female athletics is a similar situation. I think we can create room for transgender athletes, but it will require some rebalancing of our competitive classes.

I mean all truly exceptional athletes -- the ones who compete at the highest levels -- are born with gifts that 99.99% of human beings do not share. I could practice basketball every day, day and night, train my body tirelessly for competition, study reams of film and theory, completely dedicate myself to mastering the sport -- and still I would not make the D league -- I could never body up LeBron James in the paint. It's just reality. Similarly, without competitive classes, there would be vanishingly few female professional athletes, trans or otherwise. People who want to pretend there are no physical differences in ability between men and women are going to struggle to contend with this reality.
 
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LowDown said:
I hate it when critics chime in with sweeping statements that make no sense and provide no explanation. It's worse than useless, it just foments anger.
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You feel the same way about the OP as I do? Bravo, friend!
 
VanceMack said:
People miss the bigger picture on the push to accept/promote transgenderism. Its NOT ABOUT TRANSGENDERED PEOPLE. The number of transgendered people by percentage is just ridiculously small. The push truly is about normalizing homosexuality. Thats what it has ALWAYS been about. In order to accept homosexuality as 'normal' you pretty much have to accept EVERYTHING...no matter what the cost.

And the cost....wow. In human life the cost has been pretty tragic. In terms of destroying identity norms and creating more victims to the lunacy of pretending that men are women or women are men just because you FEEL that is the case, the results are pretty far reaching. We've gone from men that acknowledge they are men but for some reason feel they should have been born as women and accept themselves...even to the point of cosmetically altering their external appearance to match HOW they feel while still understanding they are men to people that believe you can choose...anything...and now we have 117 different identified gender roles, people that 'identify' as transracial, people that identify as transspecist, people that identify as transabled...there is no limit to the translunacy.

But there should be no mistaking where this starts.
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I remember where it all started. It was that slippery slope we all warned against about a decade ago. Remember that slope that wasn't slippery at all? Seems we're about 2/3rds down it, and the Vaseline is getting thicker the further down we all go. But ya know what, In some small part I blame women for all of this. They refused to stand up then when all of us male homophobes were ringing the alarms bells, that this, in fact thing would happen, when we were ringing the alarm bells about biological men pissing with your daughters, and taking showers in the high-school dressing rooms.. Of course that was a logical fallacy, the slippery slope that couldn't possibly happen, but, well, did, and is still, and it ain't over yet!

All that said, although I blame women (not all of course) for this nonsense, unfortunately, we shouldn't expect any help from the politically castrated men in our society to fix it. Nope, this has to be fixed by women, strong vocal one's that will once and for all not allow the loud vocal minority to dictate women's mental and physical health issues. ONLY they can stop it!


Will they? Well if a gay former great tennis player caved so easily, maybe they all will!!!! Maybe they don't care?



Tim-
 
LowDown said:
A third rate male can beat a woman at almost any physical sport. Any woman athlete will cop to this; men just have more gears, and that's just a fact. The exceptions are those sports that don't require physical strength, speed, and endurance like chess, shooting, car racing, etc. Transgendered women who started as biological men retain all of the physical advantages of the male sex.

As trans women are accepted into women's sports most likely the top ten "female" athletes in the world will soon be men. That's where this is heading. People like Davies and Navratilova will be forced from public life by a barrage from the Chinese Cultural Revolution SJW apes, and women's sports will become men's sports. And then "women's" sports will die as normal people are repelled by the ridiculous spectacle.
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"Chinese Cutural Revolution SJW apes." Your name says it all, LowDown.
 
Hicup said:
I remember where it all started. It was that slippery slope we all warned against about a decade ago. Remember that slope that wasn't slippery at all? Seems we're about 2/3rds down it, and the Vaseline is getting thicker the further down we all go. But ya know what, In some small part I blame women for all of this. They refused to stand up then when all of us male homophobes were ringing the alarms bells, that this, in fact thing would happen, when we were ringing the alarm bells about biological men pissing with your daughters, and taking showers in the high-school dressing rooms.. Of course that was a logical fallacy, the slippery slope that couldn't possibly happen, but, well, did, and is still, and it ain't over yet!

All that said, although I blame women (not all of course) for this nonsense, unfortunately, we shouldn't expect any help from the politically castrated men in our society to fix it. Nope, this has to be fixed by women, strong vocal one's that will once and for all not allow the loud vocal minority to dictate women's mental and physical health issues. ONLY they can stop it!


Will they? Well if a gay former great tennis player caved so easily, maybe they all will!!!! Maybe they don't care?



Tim-
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Where it all started? The "slippery slope" started with the gospel of Mathew, chapters 5-7.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
I generally agree with your second graph here. I don't really care what people do as long as they don't try to impose on others, and the case of transgender athletes is one area where it seems like an imposition on women's ability to compete on an even field.

I do think there's some room for discussion here, though. In some ways, the categories we draw -- even in athletics -- get blurry at the edges. For example, can featherweight boxers compete with heavyweight boxers? Could a featherweight beat a heavyweight in the ring? Probably in some cases, but not on average. Does that mean that featherweight boxing is less worthy? Possibly. It's generally considered that the heavyweight champ is the world's best boxer, but by having weight classes, we've facilitated more diverse, more evenly matched competition and even accommodated athletes to gain fame and fortune who otherwise might not have. I think male and female athletics is a similar situation. I think we can create room for transgender athletes, but it will require some rebalancing of our competitive classes.

I mean all truly exceptional athletes -- the ones who compete at the highest levels -- are born with gifts that 99.99% of human beings do not share. I could practice basketball every day, day and night, train my body tirelessly for competition, study reams of film and theory, completely dedicate myself to mastering the sport -- and still I would not make the D league -- I could never body up LeBron James in the paint. It's just reality. Similarly, without competitive classes, there would be vanishingly few female professional athletes, trans or otherwise. People who want to pretend there are no physical differences in ability between men and women are going to struggle to contend with this reality.
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I think maybe if people want to create an 'open' category where men and women can compete together, that would be fine.

Historically, the 'battle of the sexes has been an embarrassment...primarily because people are so eager to try and prove that men and women are equal physically. They arent AND that should not at ALL be considered a bad thing. I remember back to the original Battle of the Sexes with Bobby Riggs and Billy Jean King. What a disaster. Sadly...when BJK 'won' it was celebrated as some sort of triumph. Riggs had to play to the doubles lines, was 25 years older and he was a hack club player playing against the #1 womens player in the world and she still managed to only beat him 6–4, 6–3, 6–3 (in a match that many believed then and still was rigged).

Women and men are different. Thats a GOOD thing. Men that pretend to be women are different still from women. I dont know why people have such a hard time understanding that. Well..scratch that. I think EVERYONE understands that, but they are so committed to their 'equality' schtick that they force women to compete with men. Its a shame.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Do you oppose Title IX? Just like weight classes in boxing and wrestling, we put athletes into categories to foster more even competition. All of these classifications -- including those for sex and gender -- get blurry at the extremes, but it doesn't mean those classifications are invalid or unnecessary. If we eliminate "men's" and "women's" sports, we will likely just be eliminating women from sport at higher levels of competition -- at least in the short term and with some exceptions, no doubt. Annika Sorenstam, or example, proved that she could compete with male professional golfers. But she is arguably the greatest female golfer of all time, and it's not clear that even she would have been capable of winning a men's tournament, despite being just as good or better than the men in many aspects of the sport.
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I know that there are different leagues for people of varying abilities, and maybe that's enough. Not every baseball player is good enough for the major league, and who gets into the major league has never been based upon gender. If a chick is good enough, she'll be given a contract to play in the major league. If not... well, there's always the semi-pro teams. With boxing, they have weight classifications, but I know that boxers gain or lose weight to qualify for particular classes based entirely upon where they can compete the best. Get rid of all of that, and let's see where things go.
 
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