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If Trump loses in 2020 ...

veritas1 said:
Right. because people shown on video plainly saying those words, didn't really say them.
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What is the counterargument besides the recognizable and too often utilized "shoot the messenger" tactic?

One can see the people, One can hear the people, the closed caption is available.Their words and meanings are quite clear.....One can even look them and their records up individually.

That however may prove too difficult to the lazier among us.
 
veritas1 said:
Right. because people shown on video plainly saying those words, didn't really say them.
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You mean, like when "people" are caught on video plainly bragging about repeatedly sexual assaults of women?

Isn't it funny how there have been virtually zero instances of documented, illegal in-person voter fraud throughout the entire country over the last 25 years...and how practically all of the documented cases have involved REPUBLICANS engaged in isolated schemes of election machine and/or ballot rigging?

Everyone with a functioning, rational brain understands that James O'Keefe's "expose's" ALWAYS rely upon fake or doctored videos. Every single "scandal" undercovered by O'Keefe and his secretly funded group has been discredited. Reasonable, intelligent people understand this. Unreasonable, lesser-intelligent people continue to cling to the kinds of bat-crap crazy, right-wing conspiracy theories promoted by the likes of O'Keefe.
 
veritas1 said:
None of it will happen. If Trump loses, he'll leave. Nobody is going to "rise up". That's hysterical nonsense. Remember I told you.
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Hey, I hope you're right. It wouldn't be the first time I cheerfully admitted I was wrong.
Unlike most of you, admitting I am wrong about something will not force me to contemplate suicide.
I'd be relieved if you were right.

I'm just not quite as sure as you are.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
They refused to play ball with it because the guy running it was asking for ridiculous amounts of irrelevant information and has a long, looooong history of bogus claims about voter fraud.
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In 2014, a disturbing study was released by political scientists at Old Dominion University. Their work showed that a significant percentage of foreign nationals residing in the United States, whether lawfully or unlawfully present, were registered to vote in US elections—and that a significant number of them actually have voted in recent years—6.4 percent in 2008 and 2.2 percent in 2010. That is enough to have swayed election outcomes in some states: “there is reason to believe non-citizen voting changed one state’s Electoral College votes in 2008, delivering North Carolina to Obama, and that non-citizen votes have also led to Democratic victories in congressional races including a critical 2008 Sen- ate race [in Minnesota] that delivered for Democrats a 60-vote filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.” It is, of course, illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal and state elections. But this study suggests that hundreds of thousands of illegal votes may have been cast in the United States in every federal election.11

https://ww2.odu.edu/~jrichman/NonCitizenVote.pdf
 
ultmd said:
You mean, like when "people" are caught on video plainly bragging about repeatedly sexual assaults of women?

Isn't it funny how there have been virtually zero instances of documented, illegal in-person voter fraud throughout the entire country over the last 25 years...and how practically all of the documented cases have involved REPUBLICANS engaged in isolated schemes of election machine and/or ballot rigging?

Everyone with a functioning, rational brain understands that James O'Keefe's "expose's" ALWAYS rely upon fake or doctored videos. Every single "scandal" undercovered by O'Keefe and his secretly funded group has been discredited. Reasonable, intelligent people understand this. Unreasonable, lesser-intelligent people continue to cling to the kinds of bat-crap crazy, right-wing conspiracy theories promoted by the likes of O'Keefe.
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Where's the proof that anything was doctored? And what do you mean by that? That he had the guy say something he actually never said? It's the same baloney they said about the PP tapes and every other time liberals get caught being honest for a change. Do you notice how nobody ever suggested the Trump recording was doctored? The conspiracy theory is the one which thinks every time a liberal gets caught, that somebody "doctored" something.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Who's going to tell him? His hand-picked DOJ? His hand-picked USSC? If he chooses to declare a national emergency, according to Trumpsters on this board, that's the end of the story. The president has the authority to declare a national emergency for anything. They have told us he can ignore subpoenas, he can give anyone he wants a security clearance, if he discloses classified material, all he has to say is he declassified it by disclosing it.

In other words, just like Nixon said decades ago, "If the president does it, it is not a crime." Therefore, if he chooses to nullify the election results and remain in office, Trumpters will support that, just like they support Trump in all things he does.
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Congress will not allow it
 
Captain America said:
I just viewed it as a pendulum reversal.

The libbos started whining about Trump winning the POTUS about the same time the wingtards stopped whining about Obama winning the POTUS.

Pot/kettle.

Like I said. Since the beginning. People seem to have their own sense of reality that is directly proportional to their own sense of perception. Often, this conflicts with what is actually real.

Two people could look at the same cloud and one might see a puppy and the other see a butterfly. Then, there are people like me, cursed with the lack of imagination, who simply see a cloud.

I take you as a cloud or puppy person? You do seem to have a very unique impression of reality.

Nothing wrong with that I suppose. Some of us watch The Apprentice and some of us don't. I couldn't name one pro-wrestler either.

It's been this way in America since the beginning. It IS America.

I accept and embrace my fellow Americans from both sides of the pendulum boundries. Some people don't.
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The point I was trying to make was that the Democrats and the media were all outraged that Trump would not accept the outcome of the election.

They were all singing from the same hymnal that not accepting the results of a duly conducted election would be very near to treason and absolutely unAmerican.

Then Trump won.

I feel that it is pretty widely acknowledged that Trump DID accept the outcome of the election.

At the same time, both the Democrat Party and the media have refused to accept the outcome of the duly conducted election. The Democrats and the media are doing what they said was the absolutely worst thing that could be done.

Their actions and words, while being aimed at Trump, were not committed by Trump. IN THE REAL WORLD, Trump accepted the results of the election and the Democrats did not.
 
Helix said:
all you have is some random whataboutism dodge? i don't really see much hope of communicating across this. the ****ing president said that he'll accept the results of the election if he wins, and then you say this :



and then i post the video of him saying exactly that. are you really confused?
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In the real world, Trump accepted the outcome of the election.

In the real world, the Democrats and the fake news outlets did not.

In the real world, which entity or groups are the ones that should cause worry to those who cherish our Republic?

Please! Try to consider the facts that are in evidence FROM THE REAL WORLD.
 
Kobie said:
This makes absolutely no sense in context.
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I replied to a post in which the poster said in part:

"Trumpsters will undoubtedly claim that as president, he is fully within his authority to nullify the results of the presidential election if he chooses. All he has to do is declare it a national emergency. Easy peasy."

I was asking him about other events that never happened in the the real world but which seem to dominate the never-never land in which he seems to reside.

Sorry that you lost the connection.
 
code1211 said:
Finally! A statement that reflects some awareness of reality!

Good for you!
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Everyone lives in a world. Your enthusiasm is sorely misplaced.

This exchange obviously means something far different for you than it does others.
 
haymarket said:
Everyone lives in a world. Your enthusiasm is sorely misplaced.

This exchange obviously means something far different for you than it does others.
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Your first thought is the one to which I referred.

Your second thought is so *you*!
 
code1211 said:
In the real world, Trump accepted the outcome of the election.
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addressed by the video.

code1211 said:
In the real world, the Democrats and the fake news outlets did not.

In the real world, which entity or groups are the ones that should cause worry to those who cherish our Republic?

Please! Try to consider the facts that are in evidence FROM THE REAL WORLD.
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try to will yourself back to reality. i'll meet you there, and then maybe we can have a beer together.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
but there are "allegations" of voter fraud, would it be ok for Trump to throw out the election results until it gets sorted out? I'm thinking it shouldn't take more than 4-5 years. He would likely have the support of all the incumbents in congress, right?
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You guys have believed Trump was a dictator from day one and yet we are still a democracy. Please refer to the recent 2018 elections. Why should your thinking change now? By the way, it is YOU guys who have questioned the voting results for 2 1/2 years now and continue to do so.
 
code1211 said:
The point I was trying to make was that the Democrats and the media were all outraged that Trump would not accept the outcome of the election.

They were all singing from the same hymnal that not accepting the results of a duly conducted election would be very near to treason and absolutely unAmerican.

Then Trump won.

I feel that it is pretty widely acknowledged that Trump DID accept the outcome of the election.

At the same time, both the Democrat Party and the media have refused to accept the outcome of the duly conducted election. The Democrats and the media are doing what they said was the absolutely worst thing that could be done.

Their actions and words, while being aimed at Trump, were not committed by Trump. IN THE REAL WORLD, Trump accepted the results of the election and the Democrats did not.
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Well, I can't name one person I know personally, democrat or republican, that doesn't acknowledge that Donald J. Trump is the POTUS. So, I don't understand what you mean when you say the dems don't accept the outcome of a duly elected president. They accept the outcome. They just don't like it.

Just like Obama, Trump laid out a bill of goods, (like them or not,) and ran on them. And, just like Obama won his election, Trump won his election. Does that mean that the other branches of the government are obligated to help deliver on the "bill of goods" promised by the candidate from the stump? One would think so. As the elections determine, for both Obama and Trump, what "bill of goods" the people wanted and reflected in their vote.

Sadly, it doesn't work that way. Obama had no more than unpacked his suitcare at the Whitehouse before the GOP side of the aisle clearly stated that their number one goal was to block, prevent, obstruct any and everything Obama comes up with. Remember that? The Obama "bill of goods" the people elected him to fulfill, carried absolutely no weight on the right side of the aisle. Their attitude was, "Screw libbos, democrats, gays, and anything those people stand for. **** healthcare, infrastructure, middle-class enhancements, jobs, education, and all that other democrat crap. Their numero uno, top of the list, front burner goal was to shut down Obama. I remember that like it was yesterday.

So, as I see it, it's just business as usual. No body has any moral highground or right to throw stones at anybody. The chickens have come home to roost. And they will again at the next pendulum cycle.
 
Captain America said:
Well, I can't name one person I know personally, democrat or republican, that doesn't acknowledge that Donald J. Trump is the POTUS. So, I don't understand what you mean when you say the dems don't accept the outcome of a duly elected president. They accept the outcome. They just don't like it.

Just like Obama, Trump laid out a bill of goods, (like them or not,) and ran on them. And, just like Obama won his election, Trump won his election. Does that mean that the other branches of the government are obligated to help deliver on the "bill of goods" promised by the candidate from the stump? One would think so. As the elections determine, for both Obama and Trump, what "bill of goods" the people wanted and reflected in their vote.

Sadly, it doesn't work that way. Obama had no more than unpacked his suitcare at the Whitehouse before the GOP side of the aisle clearly stated that their number one goal was to block, prevent, obstruct any and everything Obama comes up with. Remember that? The Obama "bill of goods" the people elected him to fulfill, carried absolutely no weight on the right side of the aisle. Their attitude was, "Screw libbos, democrats, gays, and anything those people stand for. **** healthcare, infrastructure, middle-class enhancements, jobs, education, and all that other democrat crap. Their numero uno, top of the list, front burner goal was to shut down Obama. I remember that like it was yesterday.

So, as I see it, it's just business as usual. No body has any moral highground or right to throw stones at anybody. The chickens have come home to roost. And they will again at the next pendulum cycle.
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Sadly, Trump was elected with the help of Russia. No so with any prior president.

In fact, the margin was so thin it is fair to say that Trump was not legitimately elected. Again, you can't say that about Obie.
 
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