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If Trump loses in 2020 ...

Finch said:
ISIS not eradicated and Trump is nothing in that regards anyway....No ground is being made on ending nuclear proliferation, if anything NK made an idiot out of him. (Not that is hard to do) economy is slowing, deficit and debt rising, country more divided than it has ever been since the civil war...Trump needs to go. He's just not cutting it.
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hahahahah denial!
 
Stealers Wheel said:
but there are "allegations" of voter fraud, would it be ok for Trump to throw out the election results until it gets sorted out? I'm thinking it shouldn't take more than 4-5 years. He would likely have the support of all the incumbents in congress, right?
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I fully expect Democrats to defeat themselves. And if we thought the first Trump term was bad, imagine what a second term would be like.
 
Helix said:
thanks for the sig worthy quote.



Tweety disagrees with you. he supports revolution in that case, and the economy has been recovering for many years.
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Obama never had a single year above 3% gdp. You are in denial.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I fully expect Democrats to defeat themselves. And if we thought the first Trump term was bad, imagine what a second term would be like.
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You mean even more economic growth, more jobs, more improved trade deals, more of making other countries pay their own way, more improvements in border security, etc.? Sounds terrible.
 
haymarket said:
One of the hallmarks our our system that we can be proud of is the peaceful transition of power from one administration to the next even in times of different parties taking over. It has never even been a half serious consideration that it might be any other way and a president would try to stay on past their time. Trump now presents that dark cloud on the horizon.

One can easily see how - if he loses in 2020 should he still be in office and run - he might throw up the excuses that we saw before.... millions of illegals voting ..... fixed elections ...... the whole nasty thing which would allow him to discount the election results and attempt to remain in power.

I do not think this would be successful. I do not think even most of his own party would support him in this effort. But just the idea of it would precipitate a huge constitutional crisis that would be divisive and ugly and make todays present environment look like a Sunday church picnic by comparison.

Let us all hope and pray it never comes to pass.
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Are you sure that you taught government for 30 years? Certainly, Trump would have no authority to disallow a vote in a Florida or a California (that's part of the beauty of the electoral college).
Of course, Trump's allies could argue illegal voting in whatever municipality they claim and challenge the results based upon the relevant state law.
Much like allies of Mrs. Clinton (and eventually Mrs. Clinton herself) blamed Russia for her defeat...
 
FreedomFromAll said:
I agree that normally that would be tin foil hat talk. Especially if said president has never even hinted that an election is "rigged". But with Trump he is on record making the claim that the 2016 election was rigged. The only reason that he did so is because just like everyone else, he thought that he was going to lose. But even after that he kept espousing the conspiracy theory that the democrats tried to rig the election with illegal votes. Trump even created a commission that was going to investigate Trumps theories. And now he makes jokes that he wont dispute the election if he wins. Add to that the fact that Trump as President has never addressed the Russian attacks on our democracy, instead he sided with Putin's denial.

While I do not think that trump will outright deny to leave office; Trump certainly would try to destroy confidence in our democracy, if for nothing else to deny that he actually lost the election in 2020. But then Trump is despicable enough that he might threaten to stay in office out of spite or perhaps to test the waters. After all unlike any other president, he publicly asserted that a president for life should be tried in the US. So yea I do not blame anyone for thinking that its a possibility that Trump might try something this stupid.

You have to take into account Trumps lake of competence in the frist place, his willingstatemote conspiracy theories. Trump also suggested civil war when an election did not elect who he wanted. It did not matter when Trump was just a wannabe reality tv star, but he is now President of the United States of America, all what he says, does and have done and said in the past is relevant to our Republic. At face value we should not trust this president to leave office peacefully. Perhaps Trump will leave peacefully but there is evidence on record that there is a slight possibility that he wont. We have to take this seriously and not be so naive to believe that it is not within Trump character.

Personally I think that Trump will say some really stupid crap if he loses. Much of it will be bad for our nation. If he garners support and believes that he can stay in office, he would do so. But I doubt that Trump really believes that he could get away with it, so will not actually go there. But he will do a lot of damage to the US in international politics in the process and sow divide among Americans that will be hard to heal.
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The Democrats basically argued that the 2016 vote was rigged.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Are you sure that you taught government for 30 years? Certainly, Trump would have no authority to disallow a vote in a Florida or a California (that's part of the beauty of the electoral college).
Of course, Trump's allies could argue illegal voting in whatever municipality they claim and challenge the results based upon the relevant state law.
Much like allies of Mrs. Clinton (and eventually Mrs. Clinton herself) blamed Russia for her defeat...
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He already said that he accepts results of elections when he wins. So keep your smartasss comments about my teaching to yourself.
 
Athanasius68 said:
The Democrats basically argued that the 2016 vote was rigged.
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The Electoral College mechanism does indeed weight the votes in favor of the smallest states. That is simply a statistical fact the cannot be denied.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
but there are "allegations" of voter fraud, would it be ok for Trump to throw out the election results until it gets sorted out? I'm thinking it shouldn't take more than 4-5 years. He would likely have the support of all the incumbents in congress, right?
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It would be very interesting as to what his speech of defeat would be. Humility and decency are not in his venue.
 
Trump will never leave the White House even if he loses the election because once he leaves he's going to be indicted of multiple crimes and he's not about to face that mess. He'll have no second thoughts about calling his base to arms to create violence cause havoc and disruptions. The only way he'll leave is if U.S. Marshalls show up to force him to leave. It's going to be worse than a mess, it's going to be one of the darkest times in U.S. history since the 1860's. At this point I really don't see this country recovering from this for a very long time, if ever.

Once it was obvious that Judge T.S. Ellis was paid off, I knew there's not going to be any more justice in our U.S. Dept of Justice. It's become a big farce. It doesn't matter what kind of sentence Judge Amy Berman Jackson hands down to Manafort next week. Whether she gives him 5 years, 10 or 100 years, it doesn't matter because Manafort isn't going to do the time. Trump will pardon him.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Well, Trump claimed that there were "millions" of illegal votes cast in 2016. He even formed a task force to look into the matter. Of course, that group found nothing. Not even sure if they ever met or set an agenda before they were disbanded.

I'm thinking Trump must have a contingency plan for if the election results go poorly next time.

Trumpsters will undoubtedly claim that as president, he is fully within his authority to nullify the results of the presidential election if he chooses. All he has to do is declare it a national emergency. Easy peasy.
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One of those 'librul' Mainers helped kill The Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity

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‘The most bizarre thing I’ve ever been a part of’: Trump panel found no widespread voter fraud, ex-member says

Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap, one of the 11 members of the commission formed by President Trump to investigate supposed voter fraud, issued a scathing rebuke of the disbanded panel on Friday, accusing Vice Chair Kris Kobach and the White House of making false statements and saying that he had concluded that the panel had been set up to try to validate the president’s baseless claims about fraudulent votes in the 2016 election.

Dunlap, one of four Democrats on the panel, made the statements in a report he sent to the commission’s two leaders — Vice President Pence and Kobach, who is Kansas’s secretary of state — after reviewing more than 8,000 documents from the group’s work, which he acquired only after a legal fight despite his participation on the panel.
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One might wonder why Kris Kobach tried to hide the documents from the Dems on the commission -- well, one might wonder if they didn't already know of Kobach's multiple efforts to prove the existence of mass voter fraud, none of which ever proved to be true.
 
Now that "Leaving Neverland" is in the public consciousness, the truth is finally out, yes?
No matter how much evidence piled up that pointed to the fact that Michael Jackson was grooming and molesting young boys, his adoring fans refused to accept that uncomfortable truth.
And MJ's money and power made it possible for him to escape the consequences, but in the end, karma came calling.
But in the meantime, MJ did a horrific amount of damage to simple things like rational and critical thinking.

Now, all that having been said...look around you for a moment.
Is there another powerful and charismatic figure who is currently wielding a kind of Michael Jackson type power over a large portion of the American people...while he grooms and molests the Constitution?
 
AlphaOmega said:
Nice try . Obama never had a year where he broke 3% GDP. Are you claiming he did? Yes or no?
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please provide a link to a post in which i made that claim. also, check out the link that i posted.
 
HumblePi said:
Trump will never leave the White House even if he loses the election because once he leaves he's going to be indicted of multiple crimes and he's not about to face that mess. He'll have no second thoughts about calling his base to arms to create violence cause havoc and disruptions. The only way he'll leave is if U.S. Marshalls show up to force him to leave. It's going to be worse than a mess, it's going to be one of the darkest times in U.S. history since the 1860's. At this point I really don't see this country recovering from this for a very long time, if ever.
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For the post generally------:lamo:


For the part in red-----------:2rofll: You mean the 1860's when 620,000 people died? Yea, It's going to be just like it.:doh
 
veritas1 said:
For the post generally------:lamo:


For the part in red-----------:2rofll: You mean the 1860's when 620,000 people died? Yea, It's going to be just like it.:doh
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Yes I meant exactly that. Perhaps there won't be like the first civil war when 620,000 citizens of the same country slaughtered each other, but the dark part of those year will be felt. Our entire government is being tipped on it's head and the rats and racketeers are running the government. It's like the old idiom about the inmates running the asylum. The people least capable of running our government are running our government. They have wealth, they have power and they have your support.

The next years aren't going to be pleasant here for anyone.
 
Helix said:
it appears that you are. have fun with that.
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TDS...they can't even bring themselves to confirm fact. The answer is factually NO Obama NEVER had a single year of 3%GDP. Not one. I challenge you to say he did. Otherwise, you are welcome for your free history lesson.
 
HumblePi said:
Yes I meant exactly that. Perhaps there won't be like the first civil war when 620,000 citizens of the same country slaughtered each other, but the dark part of those year will be felt. Our entire government is being tipped on it's head and the rats and racketeers are running the government. It's like the old idiom about the inmates running the asylum. The people least capable of running our government are running our government. They have wealth, they have power and they have your support.

The next years aren't going to be pleasant here for anyone.
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If Trump loses and none of this happens, I'll expect you to come back in and admit you were hyperventilating uselessly.
 
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