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Leading Jewish Groups Demand Anti-Semitic Omar Be Removed From Foreign Affairs Committee

phattonez said:
Israel is a fully developed country. They don't need any of our aid.
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Israel may be a fully-developed nation, but it is also located in a very hostile part of the world.
 
Roadvirus said:
Israel may be a fully-developed nation, but it is also located in a very hostile part of the world.
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Israel is surrounded by nations that want to wipe them off the map. Who is this phattonez?
 
TurtleDude said:
well we have an interesting issue here.

there is no doubt that someone can criticize Israel without being anti Semitic. However, how many times we have heard from the left that if conservatives criticized Obama or left wing groups like the SPLC-they had to be racist?
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None.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Now you do. The prime three developed countries receiving aid from the US are Great Britain ($3.3 billion), France ($2.3 billion) and West Germany ($1.4 billion), annually. Foreign aid accounts for less than 1% of the US Federal budget. No other nations receive as much aid as these three. Japan is #4, Italy #5, Taiwan #9, Israel is down around #16.

For 2017, US patent holders received more than $13.1 billion from Israeli corporations, more than from any other nation.
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Britain only finished repaying their US loans from WW2 (no Marshall Plan gift there!) in the last decade or so, and spends $17Billion a year on foreign aid itself. At 0.72% of GDP it's more than the US' paltry 0.19%. What form does this supposed aid for the UK from the US take?
 
OldFatGuy said:
You are grossly mistaken. Monte Carlo, Bosnia and Belgium receive more US Aid per capita than Israel. You are a liar.
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Citation needed.

"The United States provides no development assistance to Belgium."

Belgium
 
Bucky said:
Perhaps omar has duel loyalties towards Somalia. She is a very bizarre person. She married her brother for goodness sake.
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She probably does.
 
Roadvirus said:
Israel may be a fully-developed nation, but it is also located in a very hostile part of the world.
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So what? The US is not Israel.
 
Grokmaster said:
Perhaps you should explain that to the MULTIPLE LEADING JEWISH ADVOCACY GROUPS who DISAGREE with your "assessment".


Sarah Stern, founder and president of the Endowment for Middle East Truth, a pro-Israel organization that spearheaded the letter, told the Free Beacon that Omar's "use of classic anti-Semitic tropes and stereotypes has touched a nerve" across the American Jewish community.

Other signatories include Alpha Epsilon Pi, the nation's top Jewish fraternity on college campuses, Americans for a Safe Israel, the Center for Security Policy, the Jewish Policy Center, the Committee for Israel, and the National Council of Young Israel, among others.
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Is criticism of an Islamic nation anti-Muslim? That is the logic you are applying here. Criticizing Israel is not anti-semitism, by that logic most Jews in Israel are antisemites.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Now you do. The prime three developed countries receiving aid from the US are Great Britain ($3.3 billion), France ($2.3 billion) and West Germany ($1.4 billion), annually. Foreign aid accounts for less than 1% of the US Federal budget. No other nations receive as much aid as these three. Japan is #4, Italy #5, Taiwan #9, Israel is down around #16.

For 2017, US patent holders received more than $13.1 billion from Israeli corporations, more than from any other nation.
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From what I can find online that money is to support US military bases in those countries or operations by those countries guessing where that money is coming from. Also they are part of a military alliance, so money is going to exchange hands. Israel on the other hand receives billions just to support their military.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Britain only finished repaying their US loans from WW2 (no Marshall Plan gift there!) in the last decade or so, and spends $17Billion a year on foreign aid itself. At 0.72% of GDP it's more than the US' paltry 0.19%. What form does this supposed aid for the UK from the US take?
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It isn't an issue of who has the biggest penis. Military aid is the predominant source of US aid to Britain. Economic credits for imports from the US is most of the balance, used to purchase capital equipment.
 
phattonez said:
Citation needed.

"The United States provides no development assistance to Belgium."

Belgium
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You have fingers, use them. We're covering Belgium's debt to the former Congo colony, and we have been doing so since Belgium abandoned its thievery during WWIs. King Leopold was a pip.
 
Carjosse said:
From what I can find online that money is to support US military bases in those countries or operations by those countries guessing where that money is coming from. Also they are part of a military alliance, so money is going to exchange hands. Israel on the other hand receives billions just to support their military.
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I nice guess, but not quite true. Nor does Israel receive $billions.

Your prejudices are slipping.
 
Grokmaster said:
Not surprisingly, Jewish groups are taking notice of the words and actions of freshmen Dem Rep.Ilhan Omar, elected to represent the Number #1 terrorist recruiting district in the entire United States, after her REPEATED ANTI-SEMITIC STATEMENTS, and her "buddying" around with islamist terror advocates.


Dems , so far, are planning a (meaningless) "resolution" about anti-Semitism , without even MENTIONING OMAR by NAME, much less actually TAKING ACTION,, such as removing her from committee seats, as the GOP did to Rep.Steve King, for his comments.


As it is, OMAR has access to INTEL BRIEFINGS, including details of our dealings with Israel, possibly even covert anti-terror actions...which is OUTRAGEOUS.


Leading Jewish Groups Demand Anti-Semitic Omar Be Removed From Foreign Affairs Committee

Jewish groups slam Omar's anti-Semitic language, ties to groups advocating terrorism

A group of leading Jewish organizations petitioned the House of Representative's top Democrats on Monday, demanding that Rep. Ilhan Omar (D., Minn.) be removed from her position on the powerful Foreign Affairs Committee in light of her numerous anti-Semitic remarks and ties to groups that advocate terrorism against Jewish people, according to a copy of a letter exclusively obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.


Omar's continued use of anti-Semitic smears has now led a group of leading Jewish organizations to take action. They sent a letter early Monday to Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) and Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Elliot Engel asking them to immediately strip Omar of her seat on the committee, which plays a key role in supporting the U.S-Israel military alliance.
"In light of Rep. Ilhan Omar's recent anti-Semitic tweets, statements, and address before Islamic Relief USA on Saturday, February 23rd, we, the undersigned organizations, request that you immediately remove her as a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee," the groups wrote.



Jewish Groups Demand Omar Be Removed From Committee
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For anyone who wants to deny that Omar's recent 'allegiance' comments are antisemitic, here's a long, detailed look at the history of that particular harmful antisemitic slur/trope:

Omar’s Dangerous War Against Jewish “Dual-Loyalty” – The Forward
 
Carjosse said:
Explain to me how this is anti-semitism. I cannot find any of evidence of any anti-semitism.
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The trope of jews having allegiance to foreign countries other than their own country they are living in is a long-used, very harmful trope, one that goes back millenia and which has been used by everyone from the Pharaoh of Exodus to the Nazis of Germany and everywhere in between:
Omar’s Dangerous War Against Jewish “Dual-Loyalty” – The Forward

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Gentiles fearing the loyalty of Jews has been deadly for Jews since the beginning of the Jewish tradition. Already in the Book of Exodus, Pharaoh tells the Egyptians to enslave the Jews, for “in the event of war they may join our enemies in fighting against us and rise from the ground.”

It wasn’t limited to Egypt. Later this March, Jews will be celebrating the holiday of Purim, which commemorates how Jews in ancient Persia, led by Esther and Mordechai, successfully thwarted a genocidal plot against them. There, too, Jewish difference was cast as a threat to the King.

The idea used to incite against Jews by Pharaoh and Haman — that Jews are inherently untrustworthy — endured in both Jewish consciousness and in European societies where the Hebrew bible became a part of the Christian social fabric over the course of the Middle Ages.

Through over a millennium of anti-Semitic riots, ethnic cleansing, and forced conversions, the notion of Jewish dual-loyalty became an ingrained belief in Christian societies, fueled by the idea that Jews’ trans-national loyalty to each other threatened the Christian countries they lived in.

As a result, the Enlightenment era, with its ideas of liberty and representative government, was a curious time for Jews, many of whom were either banned from cities entirely or lived in segregated parts of cities known as ghettos. As Enlightenment reforms took root, the question of how those reforms would apply to Jews played out in spirited public debates.

The most influential argument in favor of Jewish emancipation was made by Prussian historian and civil servant Christian Wilhelm Dohm. But not everyone was in favor, and the trope of dual loyalties played a role in the delay of Jewish emancipation. Unlike today, its opponents were quite conscious of the historical parallels of their argument. Johann David Michaelis, a Prussian Biblical scholar, opposed Jewish emancipation on the grounds that Jewish longing for Zion “casts doubt on the full and steadfast loyalty of the Jews to the state and the possibility of their full integration.” “The Jews will always see the state as a temporary home, which they will leave in the hour of their greatest happiness to return to Palestine. For similar reasons their forefathers were suspect in the eyes of the Egyptians,” he wrote in a public letter.

Despite these arguments centering on Jewish dual-loyalty, the French were the first to emancipate their Jews after the French revolution. As Napoleon conquered Europe, he brought French law with him, leading Jews across the continent to exit the ghetto for the first time, though in many places it only lasted as long as French troops were present.

In fits and spurts, emancipation reached most of the Jews of Western and Central Europe by the 1870s; their co-religionists in Eastern Europe were not as lucky.

Still, emancipation did not end the dual loyalty debate. In France, the infamous Dreyfus affair, where a French-Jewish officer was wrongly accused of passing military secrets to the Germans, rocked the country and made the loyalty of Jews a question of public debate once more. As Dreyfusards and anti-Dreyfusards debated in print over the Jewish officer’s innocence, anti-Semitic mobs took to the street.

“The cry, ‘Death to the Jews,’ swept the country,” writes Hannah Arendt in The Origins of Totalitarianism. “In Lyon, Rennes, Nantes, Tours, Bordeaux, Clermont-Ferrant, and Marseille—everywhere, in fact—anti-Semitic riots broke out.”

And it was not just limited to France. In neighboring Germany just two decades later, a generation of German veterans came home from the war to end all wars (WWI) asking themselves how they were defeated. And in their grief, they found the answer: The Jews.

The Stab-In-The-Back myth, as it came to be known, cast Germany’s loss as the result of Jewish traitors working with foreign interests to undermine the war effort.
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Carjosse said:
Is criticism of an Islamic nation anti-Muslim? That is the logic you are applying here. Criticizing Israel is not anti-semitism, by that logic most Jews in Israel are antisemites.
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Not so fast. Criticism of Israeli foreign policy or actions is not inherently anti-sematic, however how and in what context you criticize certainly can be.

Omar is someone who tests the border of inappropriateness into out-right anti-Semitism. She fully understands there are political limits to what she can express, and should know that the added deference she gets as a minority and Democrat will provide protection for only so much. None the less, she keeps pressing to openly express her bigoted views.

Hence, she employs well known anti-sematic tropes; the unidentified monied Jews who buy off politicians (i.e. Republicans) to support Israel; organizations that orchestrate these efforts are "dual loyalists" for Israel, that Allah should awake the people to Israel's evil doings; and her insistence that "all she" wants to talk about is the dark "influence" of the "dual allegiance" Americans who support Israel.

And where have we heard this before? Oh yes, the anti-Semitic extremists of the right - the conspiracists and paleo-rightists (Pat Buchanan). These tropes are well known.

But what really unmasks her is her unitary focus on the presumed sinister influences of Israel's contributors, the "dual allegiance" Jewish Americans. This is not a debate about Israel or Israel's policies. Omar has little care for, or knowledge of, Israel as a government or a state - she couldn't tell you anything about the peace process, the divisions in Israel over the path to peace, Israeli peace groups, etc. She is NOT interested in constructing a peace for all people's in the mid-east, nor does she pretend to be.

Her interest is in expanding a worn and false anti-sematic trope.

So yes, given the statements and context she is obviously anti-sematic (as well as a five star loon).
 
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Carjosse said:
Like I said before criticizing the policy of Israel or US policy towards Israel is not anti-semitism. Why is the US providing aid to a fully developed country that is fully capable to fund itself? Calling it treason is extreme and dumb but still not anti-semitism.
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Criticizing the policy of Israel or United Stats policy towards Israel is by no means antisemitism. Continuously intimating that fellow politicians and citizens who show support for Israel as having "dual loyalties" is antisemitic. In fact, it is the most toxic antisemitic canard in modern history.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Literally nothing she said was anti-semitic. Zero. To pretend that it was is to condone punishment for criticism of Israel, which is part and parcel of the mental retardation that is modern conservatism and evangelicalism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...t-smearing-ilhan-omar/?utm_term=.3ce42ef548f1
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"Mexico controls the government and certain politicians are bribed to represent the interest of mexicans. It's all about the Juans."

Hmmm, does that sound racist to you? If it doesn't, you need to tell the left that, after all the times they called trump racist for less.
 
phattonez said:
1. Israel is more than a capable military. They can defend themselves.
2. They should be citizens of Israel, or citizens of the US. Choose. Dual citizenship is a joke.
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1. Israel has a capable military because of our support, because all the money we give them goes back to our US defense companies, so we're not really losing any money.
2.Well, you know, that's now how it works. I find interesting though, you immediately assume they have dual citizenship. I worked in Israel for 4 years, i was never an israeli citizen. I knew damn well if hamas had their way, i'd join the jews slaughtered on the street. Again, "not a problem" eh? tsk. why are so many americans so ignorant?


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OldFatGuy said:
It isn't an issue of who has the biggest penis. Military aid is the predominant source of US aid to Britain. Economic credits for imports from the US is most of the balance, used to purchase capital equipment.
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It's obviously a concern to you. Subsidising the selling of arms is aid? OK

Did you know that the UN target for aid is 0.7% of GDP? Britain is virtually alone in doing so. Kind of like the NATO budget thing that Trump is so excited about.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
It's obviously a concern to you. Subsidising the selling of arms is aid? OK

Did you know that the UN target for aid is 0.7% of GDP? Britain is virtually alone in doing so. Kind of like the NATO budget thing that Trump is so excited about.
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Subsidizing the sale of arms to our true allies is an obligation for us. Yes it is aid. Aid is not only succor for poverty and catastrophes. Unlike Nato, Israel picks up the majority of its defense expenses and puts its own people on the frontlines, not merely token forces. When the UN stops its own bigoted rallying calls, I might give a damn about the UN. It is not GDP percentages that matter, but actual largess. Recipient beneficiaries in need don't care about percentages, just the food they get to eat when they hunger, the blankets that shield them from the elements.

My doctors tell me I'm still alive because I actively participate in the exercise my body requires and the healthy nutrition demands that best meet my needs. Waiting for others to come along and repair the rigors of aging is insufficient.
 
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