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Millennials - why so incompetent?

Tanngrisnir said:
Yeah, no. Sorry, there's no credible reason, whatsoever, to believe that.
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Still, it is true. Why exactly do you think it is impossible? He works for one of the top three firms in the nation, in the matter of compensation.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
Nitpick if you must, but grad school is simply another 4 years of college. Therefore, I was indeed paying attention.

That said, I never even hinted that I didn't believe you about your son. As a matter of fact, I think that if YOU had been paying attention, you would have realized that its more likely that I DID believe you than that I didn't. I was simply pointing out that in the case of your son, there are only so many of those types of jobs in existence, and that his situation can't and never will be the blueprint for how the millenial generation avoids the problems they face today.....because there simply aren't a pleathora of those kinds of jobs out there for them to get. Simple supply and demand dictates that if there WERE a ****load of those kinds of jobs, thier very existence would water down the market and payscale for them, thus making them not those kind of jobs anyway, right?
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No, grad school is not simply 4 more years of college. In the right field, grad school *does* give access to higher paying jobs over the prospects of those that simply graduate from college.

Law school by the way is 3 years, not four.

Typically, grad schools like law schools (3 years) and medical schools (4 years) will see their grads finishing with high debt but also high earnings, pretty much guaranteed in the case of medical schools (although then the grads still need to go through residency training), not so much in the case of law schools unless your law school belongs to what is called the T-14, that is, the 14 most prestigious American law schools (which recently kind of became a T-15 since another school for the first time breached that list).

These are:

Yale, the absolute #1 ever since the ranking was created, year after year; my son's school.
Harvard
Stanford
Columbia
Berkeley
Cornell
Duke
Georgetown
NYU
Chicago
Michigan
Northwestern
UPenn
Virginia (UVa)
Texas - the Austin branch (the one that breached the list recently)

I wasn't trying to nitpick, just clarifying.

And thank you for believing. Some morons here who know nothing about top law schools and top law firms think I'm lying about the money my son is making.

About your other points, sure, I agree with you. Like I said, I was trolling, then I stopped trolling, and actually experienced some guilt about trolling regarding a sad situation since these Millennials truly have a difficult time with the high rents and and high tuition.
 
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GreatNews2night said:
What's wrong with Millennials?
Just too entitled, lazy, weak, and spoiled?

A few weeks ago I saw an article saying that the highest rating ever, in America, of people defaulting on rent payments for their housing units, is from the Millennials. Sorry, I don't have the link, right now. If you can't believe me without a link, so be it, I don't care (Millennials love links - I like to counter this by saying: "Do you have a link to a video of your mother delivering you? No? Ok, so, you don't exist; you're a figment of someone's imagination; according to your generation, no link, doesn't exist."

Generalizations are dangerous. It's not all of them. For example, my son, who is a Millennial, is anything but lazy.

He is a Yale Law School graduate (the #1 Law School in the USA according to USN&WR for 25 years in a row) who made $390,000 in his first year out of school, and paid off his student loans in full in that first year.

So, it's not all Millennials. My son was raised with values such as work ethics, hard work, focus, and steadiness in the pursuit of his goals.

However, most of his buddies from college (I know them very well since I attended every single football home game featuring his school during his entire college career so I met and befriended all his closest classmates) didn't get to similar success. A lot of them spent more time smoking pot and playing videogames than focusing on their education and career goals.

And this is the generation that worships pipe-dreamers like AOC and Bernie Sanders. God save us!
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Not surprising. Personal responsibility isn't high on the progressive values scale. It's always easier to blame someone else for your misfortunes and/or failures.
 
Deuce said:
And the part that old ****s aren’t acknowledging is that they are the ones who created this problem. They ran the country and the universities and jacked the prices up. They crashed the economy. They invented participation trophies.

Older than millennials? Your generation is **** and you broke everything, and you’re mad at us for not having the resources to fix your goddamned mess.
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Well, I didn't break anything.
I didn't make any policy as I'm not a legislator.
I'm not a corporate mogul.
I didn't crush any job opportunity, I have just my own job in a field that is chronically in shortage of qualified workers.
I didn't push up any tuition cost since I was never an administrator in universities/colleges (although I've been in the faculty of three universities but not as an administrator).
I have NEVER voted for a Republican for any federal office (I've voted for a few of them in local races, very few).
So, no, it's not my fault. Sorry.
But your post is telling, as it is an example of blaming someone else for your generation's troubles. You may be proving my point (which actually was intended as a not-so-serious provocation) rather than disproving it.
 
Lakryte said:
Younger generations have virtually always voted at lower rates than older generations. This isn't some new phenomenon.
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I didn't say it was a new phenomenon. New or not, like you said, it happens. People who choose to refrain from participating in the political life of a nation shouldn't then blame others when things go wrong.
 
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Millennials - why so incompetent?
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most of the people i work with directly are Millennials. i've found them to be very professional and hard working. i've noticed that they switch roles / jobs more often than i did at that age, but that could be specific to this job / area. writing off a whole generation as incompetent is ridiculous.
 
ecofarm said:
:lol:
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I don't know if your LOL is agreeing or disagreeing, but no, college is college, grad school is grad school, and at least in certain fields like law and medicine, these are two VASTLY different things, with VASTLY different tuition costs (depending of course on what grad school we're talking about, prestigious or not), and VASTLY different job prospects and earnings.
 
Helix said:
most of the people i work with directly are Millennials. i've found them to be very professional and hard working. i've noticed that they switch roles / jobs more often than i did at that age, but that could be specific to this job / area. writing off a whole generation as incompetent is ridiculous.
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Yeah, like I said, generalizations are dangerous, and not all Millennials are the way I described. It has been said, though, by others in this thread too, that employers have had more trouble with Millennials than with other generations. Whether this can be solidly quantified in reliable numbers, or is just a rumor and a prejudice, I don't know.
 
GreatNews2night said:
I don't know if your LOL is agreeing or disagreeing, but no, college is college, grad school is grad school, and at least in certain fields like law and medicine, these are two VASTLY different things, with VASTLY different tuition costs (depending of course on what grad school we're talking about, prestigious or not), and VASTLY different job prospects and earnings.
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MSc Sweden
PhD (candidate) US

Both changed my life and were nothing like an undergrad degree, which is like extended highschool.

There's a reason tuition is 3x per credit compared to undergrad.
 
GreatNews2night said:
I didn't say it was a new phenomenon. New or not, like you said, it happens. People who chose not to participate in the political life of a nation shouldn't then blame others when things go wrong.
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Yet you directed your criticism about low youth voting rates to millennials specifically as if it is a new phenomenon.
 
ecofarm said:
MSc Sweden
PhD (candidate) US

Both changed my life and were nothing like an undergrad degree, which is like extended highschool.
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Exactly. So, you were agreeing with me. Cool. Same with me. I hold two doctoral degrees, one from an American university (Ivy League), and one from a university (quite prestigious) located in one of the leading Western European countries. Certainly these studies opened up a world of possibilities for me (literally), much beyond what I could have had if I had stopped at college.
 
Lakryte said:
Yet you directed your criticism about low youth voting rates to millennials specifically as if it is a new phenomenon.
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The as if is our doing, not mine. I never said so. And yes, Millennials suck in the matter of voting rates. That's a fact. So, yes, it is open to criticism. That is a very far point to criticize, unlike the problem of defaulting in rents, which I admit, is not the fault of the Millennials themselves (in general).
 
GreatNews2night said:
Exactly. So, you were agreeing with me. Cool. Same with me. I hold two doctoral degrees, one from an American university (Ivy League), and one from a university (quite prestigious) located in one of the leading Western European countries. Certainly these studies opened up a world of possibilities for me (literally), much beyond what I could have had if I had stopped at college.
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The amount I learned about myself, teamwork, critical thinking and other things that now appear to be basic life necessities I can't even count.

Undergrad, on the other hand, is the same as highschool.
 
GreatNews2night said:
The as if is our doing, not mine. I never said so. And yes, Millennials suck in the matter of voting rates. That's a fact. So, yes, it is open to criticism. That is a very far point to criticize, unlike the problem of defaulting in rents, which I admit, is not the fault of the Millennials themselves (in general).
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The youth historically "suck in the matter of voting rates." The same criticism you lodge at Millennials can be lodged at every other generation when they were the same age as Millennials are now. Criticizing millennials for something that applies to all generations serves no purpose.

The question we should be asking is why it is that across generations young people vote at such low rates. But you'd rather just bash millennials because of some need to feel superior. Like your parents did. And your grandparents did. And like millennials probably will to the next generations.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Meh. Don't believe that, either. A first year? Nah, bra.
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Well, be my guest, don't believe it, then. It won't deduct a cent from what he earned.
I should say, my son is not a regular first year. His bosses have repeatedly said his work as a junior associate is as good as that of senior associates if not partners, and they've entrusted him with unusual responsibilities, sending him *during his first year* to four different foreign countries and three US states to help with struggling cases in those branches of the law firm. The dean of his school said he has a "brilliant legal mind." Interesting enough, that was the exact same language used by a senior partner when he finished his summer associate clerkship with the firm while he was still a student, telling the hiring partner that they needed to snatch him before another firm did. This (every one of these trips he was considered to be on the clock), coupled with the fact that his firm is unusual in paying as bonus a percentage of the earnings generated by junior lawyers as well, and not doing this just for partners, plus the fact that he is super hard-working and clocked more hours than *anybody else* in the office, resulted in his extremely high bonus.

But if it makes you feel better about yourself to call BS, like I said, be my guest. I'm all for helping people feel good about themselves (which is why I started such a nice thread, LOL).
 
GreatNews2night said:
Well, be my guest, don't believe it, then. It won't deduct a cent from what he earned.
I should say, my son is not a regular first year. His bosses have repeatedly said his work as a junior associate is as good as that of senior associates if not partners, and they've entrusted him with unusual responsibilities, sending him *during his first year* to four different foreign countries and three US states to help with struggling cases in those branches of the law firm. The dean of his school said he has a "brilliant legal mind." Interesting enough, that was the exact same language used by a senior partner when he finished his summer associate clerkship with the firm while he was still a student, telling the hiring partner that they needed to snatched him before another firm did. This (every one of these trips he was considered to be on the clock), coupled with the fact that his firm is unusual in paying as bonus a percentage of the earnings generated by junior lawyers as well, not just to partners, plus the fact that he is super hard working and clocked more hours than *anybody else* in the office, resulted in his extremely high bonus.

But if it makes you feel better about yourself to call BS, like I said, be my guest. I'm all for helping people feel good about themselves (which is why I started such a nice thread, LOL).
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LOL! That's all I need to hear to know that your fairy tale is complete bull****. But, hey, it was fun while it lasted.
 
Lakryte said:
The youth historically "suck in the matter of voting rates." The same criticism you lodge at Millennials can be lodged at every other generation when they were the same age as Millennials are now. Criticizing millennials for something that applies to all generations serves no purpose.

The question we should be asking is why it is that across generations young people vote at such low rates. But you'd rather just bash millennials because of some need to feel superior. Like your parents did. And your grandparents did. And like millennials probably will to the next generations.
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Did you read the whole thread? I already said that I was being provocative and didn't really mean all that I said.

Anyway, I wonder, didn't participation rates of young people were higher with Obama than even with Bernie Sanders? Isn't the rate dropping? That's a shame, if it is. I actually don't know. Do you?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! That's all I need to hear to know that your fairy tale is complete bull****. But, hey, it was fun while it lasted.
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Sorry, but my son is a genius. It happens. It only happens in a very tiny percentage of the population, but it does. By the way, I think one day you'll hear from him, because he doesn't exclude running for office in the future.

In college, he had the highest GPA of the whole school, which is how he made it into Yale Law School - Yale doesn't practice grades, but he did win the contest for being in the editor body of their law journal, which is indirectly how he was seen as even better than his brilliant classmates. He won two national awards while a student there.

After one of the awards was publicized, he literally got five job offers in two hours.

Yes, as a junior associate (now in his second year with the firm), his bosses think he is as good as a senior associate, and in the confidential words of one of his bosses, "better than some of the partners." Which is why they send *him* places when things go wrong.

He was also accepted into a very prestigious federal clerkship (not the Supreme Court which he probably would be competitive for if he wanted to go, but for another reason which I won't disclose - I've disclosed too much about him already - he wanted to be in one specific city for his clerkship instead of Washington DC), which he will start in the second semester.

Fairy tale? Brilliant people who emerge with strong assets from a very young age do exist. Maybe you've never interacted with such people, so, you don't believe me. Fine.
 
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GreatNews2night said:
The teachers haven't changed that much, generation to generation.
So, what makes this particular generation so much weaker than the one ahead of them (Generation X), and the one behind them (Generation Z)?
I have the impression that Millennials (a.k.a. Generation Y) are the worst.

There's gotta be some other factor rather than who their professors were, since professors tend to last much longer than their generations of students.
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They haven't? I remember my teachers teaching us that free speech was of utmost importance. Todays teachers get kids suspended for wearing a red hat that says make america great again.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Sorry, but my son is a genius. It happens. It only happens in a very tiny percentage of the population, but it does. By the way, I think one day you'll hear from him, because he doesn't exclude running for office in the future.
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When he goes corporate some day, tell him to call me at Apple. Have him ask for the C.E.O.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Did you read the whole thread? I already said that I was being provocative and didn't really mean all that I said.

Anyway, I wonder, didn't participation rates of young people were higher with Obama than even with Bernie Sanders? Isn't the rate dropping? That's a shame, if it is. I actually don't know. Do you?
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No, I didn't read the whole thread. But glad to hear it.

Voter participation has been dropping for all age groups from what I've seen. But there has always been a gap between the turnout rates for the youth vs. older adults.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
When he goes corporate some day, tell him to call me at Apple. Have him ask for the C.E.O.
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Oh, so you are Apple CEO's assistant's assistant, huh? Good for you.

Look, I know that less successful people prefer not to believe that there are successful people out there, lest they feel humiliated, so I understand you. No worries. Like I said, it's perfectly fine for you not to believe me, if it helps your safe space.
 
AlphaOmega said:
They haven't? I remember my teachers teaching us that free speech was of utmost importance. Todays teachers get kids suspended for wearing a red hat that says make america great again.
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I meant that sort of retiring or dying, there hasn't been a huge turnover regarding the senior professors in colleges that have catered to two contiguous generations. But like I said, I was just tossing things around, in a provocative manner, trying to make the (false) case that the problem is exclusive to the Millennials and not to the generations right behind them and ahead of them. That's why I reacted to your post the way I did.
 
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