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What is "hate speech"?

Today, "hate speech" is mostly censorship parading as morality.

The term hate speech is one of the components in the "identity politics" strategy the left uses to divide our society with. The term is specifically used to marginalize and subsequently silence any public speakers with opposing political views.

It's a strategy that's been adopted by leftists all over the world. Just last week a leftist organization in New Zealand used it in an attempted to marginalize Jordan Peterson by accusing him of being a hate speech merchant. Luckily, someone over there interviewed the head of the organization and exposed it for the BS it was.

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The term hate speech is one of the components in the "identity politics" strategy the left uses to divide our society with. The term is specifically used to marginalize and subsequently silence any public speakers with opposing political views.

It's a strategy that's been adopted by leftists all over the world. Just last week a leftist organization in New Zealand used it in an attempted to marginalize Jordan Peterson by accusing him of being a hate speech merchant. Luckily, someone over there interviewed the head of the organization and exposed it for the BS it was.

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Jordan Peterson has had a target on his back every since he took a stand against the pronoun game and compelled speech.
 
That's not at all what I'm doing.

If I wear a Vikings hat while visiting Green Bay and get beat up, am I hating or are the beater-uppers hating?

The same is true of wearers of MAGA Hats, X Hats, Obama Hats and so on.

Why is wearing a hat that declares an affiliation considered to be hate speech?

I call to evidence that 115 pound parochial school kid condemned by our media and the surrounding mob. Why was he condemned simply for wearing a hat?

He was not hating, but he was hated. A MAGA hat is most certainly NOT Hate Speech. It is a hat showing affiliation. Nothing more.

Why you accept wearing a MAGA hat as hate speech speaks volume of both the indoctrinators and your indoctrination.

What is the basis of your disagreement with the phrase "Make America Great Again"?
The hat can't elicit hate. The fists can, though.
 
I'm unaware of any hate speech that's considered a crime, you're not confusing hate speech with hate crimes are you? If not I'd like to read about them if you have a link...

Hate speech is a crime...is a political crime. Just like Trump's crimes are mainly about his politics, so is hate speech's crimes and application about politics.
 
Jordan Peterson has had a target on his back every since he took a stand against the pronoun game and compelled speech.

That's funny, because Russia had a target on it's back ever since it stood up against the lgb tyrants. Seems to be a common theme.
 
Hate speech is a crime...is a political crime. Just like Trump's crimes are mainly about his politics, so is hate speech's crimes and application about politics.

Hate speech, however one chooses to define it, is only a crime when it directly calls for violent actions to be taken against a person or persons.

Nearly every instance of what is so often labeled hate speech these days, isn't hate speech at all and doesn't even come close to meeting the definition.

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Hate speech is a crime...is a political crime. Just like Trump's crimes are mainly about his politics, so is hate speech's crimes and application about politics.

There're coming for you...
 
Hate speech, however one chooses to define it, is only a crime when it directly calls for violent actions to be taken against a person or persons.

Nearly every instance of what is so often labeled hate speech these days, isn't hate speech at all and doesn't even come close to meeting the definition.

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Hate speech accusations can't be leveled against the 'protected class' no matter the hatefulness of the speech and actions and can't be wrought against the 'ruling class' no matter the hatefulness the speech or actions. Therefore, hate speech crimes are political crimes as Trump's crimes are political crimes.
And there are no such things as political crimes.
 
I'm unaware of any hate speech that's considered a crime, you're not confusing hate speech with hate crimes are you? If not I'd like to read about them if you have a link...

There's a distinction between hate speech that's prosecuted and is a crime and hate speech that isn't prosecuted and isn't a crime. Hate speech from the 'ruling class' is prosecuted and hate speech from the 'protected class' isn't prosecuted...is considered reparations...and there are numerous 'soft reparations' (reparations that aren't called reparations but are reparations) throughout our legal system.
 
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The hat can't elicit hate. The fists can, though.

So, then, wearing a MAGA hat is just a fashion choice- somewhat like wearing a short skirt.

Nothing in the wardrobe indicates to the normal observer that anyone is "asking for it".
 
So, then, wearing a MAGA hat is just a fashion choice- somewhat like wearing a short skirt.

Nothing in the wardrobe indicates to the normal observer that anyone is "asking for it".

I think wearing a short skirt shouldn't elicit rape. We don't live in a fundamentalist Muslim country do we? You agree. So, MAGA hats shouldn't elicit punishment, either.

EDIT: the speech part of first amendment was particularly for speech deemed offensive.
 
I think wearing a short skirt shouldn't elicit rape. We don't live in a fundamentalist Muslim country do we? You agree. So, MAGA hats shouldn't elicit punishment, either.

EDIT: the speech part of first amendment was particularly for speech deemed offensive.

Sounds like we're in complete agreement.

Why did you question the first post to which your responded?
 
Sounds like we're in complete agreement.

Why did you question the first post to which your responded?

No one should be prosecuted for their political beliefs.. It's happening to Trump and cops and whites are being prosecuted for being the ruling class and isn't happening to the protected class.
 
No one should be prosecuted for their political beliefs.. It's happening to Trump and cops and whites are being prosecuted for being the ruling class and isn't happening to the protected class.

Hmmm...

I agree that we have at least two tiers in the "justice" system. I'm not sure I am on board with what you say here.

Who is in the protected class to which you refer?
 
In my opinion hate speech is anything you want it to be, sniped due to time constraints

Hate speech is anything you wouldn't say to someone in their own house.

You're welcome.

Edit: I'm going to make that my new signature.
 
In my opinion hate speech is anything you want it to be, it is a relative term and a tool of censorship and suppression of freedom of speech and any opposing point of view. Hate speech can be anything you want it to be and as such is a very popular and indefinite term. It is a danger to democracy, to freedom, to freedom of expression and thought, and to things like facts, sanity and reality. We now have the incoming "speech and thought police" becoming a major factor in our societies.

Take me, I hate stupidity and evil for example, clearly hate speech, but I care about stupid people and evil people and want them to be good people and smart people.

To me, "hate speech" seems to be central in all of this, and seems to be one of the tools used in an attempt to build an ever-lasting tyranny. So, how is it possible to fight an ever changing enemy that is relative and can label everything you say as "hate speech"? Even the truth is becoming hate speech these days. How is it possible to break this terrible cycle of oppression? Personally I now believe more than ever in the truth. And "love thy enemy", because if we cannot turn our enemy to also believe in the truth, then there will just be further division and more oppression. One side will demand oppression, while the other side will demand the truth, and this in the long run cannot work. Nobody will win in such a situation.
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Is it even possible to define "hate speech"? Can it even be nailed down, and lines drawn as to what it is and can be? Or will it be an ever evolving term without any lines, that can be used to shift our whole society towards where they want us to be? Our thoughts, our speech and even the language itself. People counterargue this by saying "show me how people are jailed for speaking freely". But anyone who has read 1984 knows that this is now how it works. The population themselves are used to oppress the population, language is used to oppress and restrict thought patterns and expression, and then you have a wet hand to enforce this in form of secret police, bureaucratic madness and being told what to think. Yes, being told what to think.

I'm a firm believer in what I describe as: "the problem with media and politicians today is that the people are being told what and how to think". It's not reporting occurances as news, mostly it's opinions and implanting of thoughts into the minds of people, how to think about what they have been told/have seen happen, just now, on the news. Endless talks and "analyses" about situations to tell people what to think about it. Or just a short tiny indication at the end what to think about it. How do you formulate yourself when you report the news, can make two entirely different impressions of the same situation. And impressions is what it is about, not actually reporting what happened. That would allow for free interpretation, and if there is anything the media is good at, it's suppressing the possibility to freely interpret events.

I think "hate speech" is a convenient tool that can be used to label anything and anyone who goes against any of these things, who do not ascribe to their new idealism that have been imprinted on them by the media and politicians and organisations. A complimentary tool to this is ofcourse the frequently used "conspiracy theory" label that is used if anyone believe anything else than what they have been told is the reality.

So, what is "hate speech", how can we get rid of this concept and bury it once and for all, so that the truth may freely be discussed even tomorrow?

Hate speech is not merely 'a concept'. Hate speech is a real thing. Hate speech is inciting people into some kind of action that's harmful to someone. Hopefully, we are never going to "get rid of this concept and bury it once and for all" and we shouldn't! Hate speech is bad, period. Anyone who thinks differently is only someone that's forgiving it and hate speech should never be taken lightly or forgiven.

"Now that Trump is president, I’m going to shoot you and all the blacks that I can find." These words were actually spoken to a twelve year old girl. YES it was her own classmates that threatened her, other 12 year old kids. Where the hell do 12 year old kids get such ideas? Guess.

Speech that expresses or incites hatred toward people on the basis of some aspect of their identity” is something that society must take seriously, not dismiss it as something that might at worst hurt the feelings of some overly-sensitive liberals. There is evidence that hate speech predicts violence, that groups more exposed to hate speech are more likely to commit suicide, and that it causes what scientists call a ‘dehumanization effect’ which makes it easier for us to justify suffering and harm caused to another human being.
 
In my opinion hate speech is anything you want it to be, it is a relative term and a tool of censorship and suppression of freedom of speech and any opposing point of view. Hate speech can be anything you want it to be and as such is a very popular and indefinite term. It is a danger to democracy, to freedom, to freedom of expression and thought, and to things like facts, sanity and reality. We now have the incoming "speech and thought police" becoming a major factor in our societies.

So, what is "hate speech", how can we get rid of this concept and bury it once and for all, so that the truth may freely be discussed even tomorrow?

A companion question to this is who made these people the moral arbiters of what is "hate speech" and what is offensive? And when did this idea get implanted that people have a right not to be offended or made uncomfortable? I get sick to death of politicians and entertainers endlessly apologizing anytime some individual or group gets its feelings hurt. Do you notice how this all runs one way, however? Do you ever see people apologizing for denigrating Christians and conservatives? No, it rarely ever happens. That tells you that it is ideological and political and has nothing whatever to do with civility.
 
There's a distinction between hate speech that's prosecuted and is a crime and hate speech that isn't prosecuted and isn't a crime. Hate speech from the 'ruling class' is prosecuted and hate speech from the 'protected class' isn't prosecuted...is considered reparations...and there are numerous 'soft reparations' (reparations that aren't called reparations but are reparations) throughout our legal system.

Let me rephrase my last point; They're coming for you...
 
Hmmm...

I agree that we have at least two tiers in the "justice" system. I'm not sure I am on board with what you say here.

Who is in the protected class to which you refer?

Blacks, gays, etc.
 
Hate speech is easily defined as ANYTHING said that liberals dont agree with.
 
I think "hate speech" is a convenient tool that can be used to label anything and anyone who goes against any of these things, who do not ascribe to their new idealism that have been imprinted on them by the media and politicians and organisations. A complimentary tool to this is ofcourse the frequently used "conspiracy theory" label that is used if anyone believe anything else than what they have been told is the reality.

Yes. Now they can discredit anyone who dissents from the mainstream consensus, simply by calling them a conspiracy theorist. Or by calling what they say "hate speech."

And censorship is easy now -- just make the ideas you want to suppress hard to find in google, ban them from facebook and twitter, etc.
 
Blacks, gays, etc.

In some ways, that is true.

I find it interesting that the folks who are shrieking that they have been victimized in hate crimes are only too willing to victimize others using the same device(s).

This is an interesting form of callous blindness.
 
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